Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

Mitch Connor · 14-01-2015 02:30PM

BloodBath wrote: »

No they didn't, did you watch the game?

Might be talking about different Southampton games.

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 02:33PM

BloodBath wrote: »

No they didn't, did you watch the game?

Or course I did. You are completely wrong.

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 02:34PM

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Might be talking about different Southampton games.

Just to be clear, I'm talking about the one just gone.

BloodBath · 14-01-2015 02:43PM

I'm not wrong though. They pressed us for the whole game. We had very little time on the ball. To say they sat back and let us press them for 90 mins is just plain wrong.

They defended excellently on top of pressing us well. They do have the best defensive record in the league this season. Southampton are no pushovers.

WallyGUFC · 14-01-2015 02:44PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

Ah Jaysus they made it incredibly exciting. They were 2-1 up againat City with 90 mins gone when they were expected to be utterly destroyed. 999 times out of a thousand, City would have cantered to the title on the day.

I was only really checking updates for Fantasy Football because there was no way City were losing to QPR.

Instead, they didn't, and gave me the memory of me in a Parisian shopping centre sitting on the ground as Aguero scored. Was standing with my back to a pillar. I was on patchy 3G looking for updates from Sky. Then Dzeko scored. No way could they pull it back.

Then that update that broke my fcuking heart.

"Aguero..."

That's all it said. Then 3-2 came up. Slid to the ground. Christ it still hurts.

Ugh I know yeah. Usually City would have destroyed them. I was working that day and was listening to Today FM on the way in. Ran to work to put the radio on and it was still 2-1. Then Dzeko scored and I knew deep down it'd happen. Customers must have thought I'd lost a close family member for the rest of the day with the puss I had on me.

bucketybuck · 14-01-2015 02:48PM

BloodBath wrote: »

To say they sat back and let us press them for 90 mins is just plain wrong.

Probably why he didn't say it.

More like they sat back and let us sit back.

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 02:48PM

BloodBath wrote: »

I'm not wrong though. They pressed us for the whole game. We had very little time on the ball. To say they sat back and let us press them for 90 mins is just plain wrong.

They defended excellently on top of pressing us well. They do have the best defensive record in the league this season. Southampton are no pushovers.

I did not say that they let us press them. I did not say anything about their defensive record. I said they sat back and allowed United to pass it around at the back. You are completely wrong to say that Southampton pressed us high.

bangkok · 14-01-2015 02:51PM

who cares about the Southampton game now.... we lost, we were rubbish. lets move onto QPR and hopefully we can get 3 points

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 02:52PM

bangkok wrote: »

who cares about the Southampton game now.... we lost, we were rubbish. lets move onto QPR and hopefully we can get 3 points

Yes, let's not analyse games that finished a few days ago.

BloodBath · 14-01-2015 02:54PM

Pro. F wrote: »

I did not say that they let us press them. I did not say anything about their defensive record. I said they sat back and allowed United to pass it around at the back. You are completely wrong to say that Southampton pressed us high.

Right ok. You are right and I and the analysts who reviewed the game are wrong.

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 02:56PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Right ok. You are right and I and the annalists who reviewed the game are wrong.

Which analysts said what?

bangkok · 14-01-2015 03:07PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Yes, let's not analyse games that finished a few days ago.

not much to analyse in fairness, the biggest stat you need to know is we didn't score any goals and had zero shots on target

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 03:08PM

bangkok wrote: »

not much to analyse in fairness, the biggest stat you need to know is we didn't score any goals and had zero shots on target

If you're not interested in the half a dozen posts in the conversation then just skip over them.

BloodBath · 14-01-2015 03:12PM

It's surprisingly hard to find the analysis online. I'm not going to quote anyone from memory.

yabadabado · 14-01-2015 03:12PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Right ok. You are right and I and the analysts who reviewed the game are wrong.

I dont know what game you were watching but Southampton didn't press United high.
I would agree with Pro F on this.

Vic Vinegar · 14-01-2015 03:18PM

yabadabado wrote: »

I dont know what game you were watching but Southampton didn't press United high.
I would agree with Pro F on this.

Apart from the first three or four minutes they didn't anyway.

TheDoc · 14-01-2015 03:18PM

All the analysis was very much how Southampton employed a different tac for the first half at OT, sitting back and letting United pass the ball out from the CB.

As Koemann said after the game himself "part of the tactic was to let United play from the back, as we know some of their defenders can struggle".

Claiming Southampton pressed' in any way shape or form, like they normally do, is totally incorrect.

The MAIN talking point from the analysis sure, and how "LVG was outcoached" was specifically down to how Southampton sat deep.

Irishcrx · 14-01-2015 03:19PM

yabadabado wrote: »

I dont know what game you were watching but Southampton didn't press United high.
I would agree with Pro F on this.

No they pressed us very quickly in midfield not in defence , Elia stayed up very high and tried to press Valencia and Jones as much as he could into making a mistake at the back, Pelle was a bit deeper..

kstand · 14-01-2015 03:25PM

TheDoc wrote: »

All the analysis was very much how Southampton employed a different tac for the first half at OT, sitting back and letting United pass the ball out from the CB.

As Koemann said after the game himself "part of the tactic was to let United play from the back, as we know some of their defenders can struggle".

Claiming Southampton pressed' in any way shape or form, like they normally do, is totally incorrect.

The MAIN talking point from the analysis sure, and how "LVG was outcoached" was specifically down to how Southampton sat deep.

Its the same problem we have had all season - we move the ball far too slowly and when we get the ball into good wide positions, the opposition is able to double up as there is no one to overlap the wing backs. Now and again a good ball will come in and find a good run and create problems, but that has been few and far between this season. The system just hasnt worked, its far too laboured.

BloodBath · 14-01-2015 03:29PM

Fair enough, saying they pressed us high was incorrect but they did press us heavily in midfield and pushed forward to engage the center backs if they tried to play the ball out from the back.

To say they didn't press us is a joke. You seriously can't have watched anything more than the MOTD high/lowlights.

Lord TSC · 14-01-2015 03:32PM

Felt when watching when I was there that there was large periods of time where De Gea was the only man in our half. Southampton happily seemed to sit back and let United's defence and midfield knock it round, knowing we were impotent to that sort of laid back attitude....

Pro. F · 14-01-2015 03:37PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Fair enough, saying they pressed us high was incorrect but they did press us heavily in midfield and pushed forward to engage the center backs if they tried to play the ball out from the back.

To say they didn't press us is a joke.

I did not say that they didn't press us. I disagreed with you saying that they pressed us high. I said that they sat back and allowed us to pass it around at the back. Pressing in midfield is not pressing high.

BloodBath wrote: »

You seriously can't have watched anything more than the MOTD high/lowlights.

Coming from the man who was completely wrong about what happened in the game.

Cantona's Collars · 14-01-2015 03:54PM

Darth Vader has joined United-in my house at least.

Santa brought a huge Darth Vader and I discovered earlier he's wearing a United top courtesy of my young lad.:D

Your Airbag · 14-01-2015 03:56PM

yabadabado wrote: »

I dont know what game you were watching but Southampton didn't press United high.
I would agree with Pro F on this.

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

Apart from the first three or four minutes they didn't anyway.

BloodBath wrote: »

Fair enough, saying they pressed us high was incorrect but they did press us heavily in midfield and pushed forward to engage the center backs if they tried to play the ball out from the back.

To say they didn't press us is a joke. You seriously can't have watched anything more than the MOTD high/lowlights.

It was a mixture of both in fairness.

Four Southampton players pressed us high at times and another two shielded their defenders with one of the two switching to be one of the three that pressed us high at times.

Firstly Southampton set out to completely stop us playing offensively, they were concerned with defense mainly. Schneiderlin and Wanyama sat in front of the defense and shielded them brilliantly. It was a great defensive display from both especially Schneiderlin. They controlled that area perfectly and didn't let us in behind them.

Wanyama sometimes talied Mata as he went deep to recieve the ball from the back but mostly he stuck side to side with Schneiderlin.

Where Southampton did engage us high was out wide. Bertrand and Clyne engaged our wingbacks high and early. They strayed a long way from their CB's and when they did Schneiderlin and Wanyama covered them and Prowse and Davis in turn covered Schneiderlin and Wanyama.

Prowse also hassled Carrick high up to stop his passing game.

This took a huge cardio effort from Southampton and they ran out of steam in the last 20 mins which meant not as much pressing. So on the balance they seemed deeper overall.

BloodBath · 14-01-2015 04:23PM

Pro. F wrote: »

I did not say that they didn't press us. I disagreed with you saying that they pressed us high. I said that they sat back and allowed us to pass it around at the back. Pressing in midfield is not pressing high.

Coming from the man who was completely wrong about what happened in the game.

Sorry that comment was directed at this comment from the Doc. I should have quoted.

Claiming Southampton pressed' in any way shape or form, like they normally do, is totally incorrect.

TheDoc · 14-01-2015 04:57PM

BloodBath wrote: »

Sorry that comment was directed at this comment from the Doc. I should have quoted.

And I'd maintain that they did not press in their normal fashion, which is deemed to be high. Tbh why am I even involved in this, I don't care

bmcc10 · 14-01-2015 06:34PM

To see the best of falcao I think he has to play up top on his own with rvp playing with him it's almost has if there in each others way, id love see something like this.

Blind/Carrick Herrera
Rooney

Mata/Adnan Di Maria
Falcao

14-01-2015 06:46PM

bmcc10 wrote: »

To see the best of falcao I think he has to play up top on his own with rvp playing with him it's almost has if there in each others way, id love see something like this.

Blind/Carrick Herrera
Rooney

Mata/Adnan Di Maria
Falcao

I wish it was that they were in each others way as that would be easier to fix, it's the inability of the midfield players to find them that causes them to have to come deep for the ball and when they do make runs the ball doesn't come. Jokeworthy that a player like Mata isn't asked to literally get the ball in the middle and look for their runs.

Your Airbag · 14-01-2015 07:09PM

Weve had a bid for Dybala rejected apparently.

Palermo “turned down Manchester United” offers for Paulo Dybala and rate the Argentine at “over €40m.”

The 21-year-old has scored nine Serie A goals and provided seven assists in 17 games this season, attracting interest from the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool.

I wonder if there is any truth to it. Another stirker doesn't make sense.

http://www.football-italia.net/61194/man-utds-dybala-bid-rejected

Also lepsort10 The French magazine claim an exclusive on Wednesday and say that we have started talks over a Marquinhos transfer.

Trying to get him this window apparently. PSG defender who isn't making the first team afaik.

titan18 · 14-01-2015 08:01PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Weve had a bid for Dybala rejected apparently.

I wonder if there is any truth to it. Another stirker doesn't make sense.

http://www.football-italia.net/61194/man-utds-dybala-bid-rejected

Also lepsort10 The French magazine claim an exclusive on Wednesday and say that we have started talks over a Marquinhos transfer.

Trying to get him this window apparently. PSG defender who isn't making the first team afaik.

Dybala is young and good. I would take him in a heartbeat. He's a class player. Be odd to buy him now but for next season, I honestly wouldn't care if any of the strikers we currently have aren't at the club.

As for Marquinhos, probably the second best young defender in the world after Varane. PSG would be mad to sell him but if they wanted to, we should be all over him

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