Athiests - Who cares

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 09:53AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

My problem is the idea that everyone has their own beliefs and they are all equally special valid.

Nope: most people's beliefs are wrong.

How do you make that out? How can you prove that?

Answer; You can't, it's just your own opinion, your own belief which is fine of course. Just don't try to pass it off as fact when it's not.

MistyCheese · 13-01-2015 10:00AM

Some Atheists seem to be as eager to convert as latter day Christians.

nozzferrahhtoo · 13-01-2015 10:06AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How do you make that out? How can you prove that?

Answer; You can't, it's just your own opinion, your own belief which is fine of course. Just don't try to pass it off as fact when it's not.

Well thats what you get for answering a question for someone before waiting for theirs. It is in fact true what the user claims. When it comes to religion most people are wrong.

How do we know this? Simple figures. Whatever religion you pick, there are more people in the world NOT in that religion than in it.

So there are two possibilities.

The first is that no religion has it right. Therefore the users claim that most people are wrong is correct. This is the likely one given there is no reason on offer at all to even think there is a god, so all the religions are wrong by default.

The second is that ONE religion does actually have it right. But given that there are more people NOT in that religion than in it, its STILL true to say that most people are wrong when it comes to religion.

So either way, what the user said is essentially correct.

kylith · 13-01-2015 10:19AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How do you make that out? How can you prove that?

Answer; You can't, it's just your own opinion, your own belief which is fine of course. Just don't try to pass it off as fact when it's not.

Disagree. Christians say all other religions are wrong. Muslims say all other religions are wrong. Ditto for Hinduism, Scientology, Judaism, Sikhism, and all other religions. Atheists say all religions are wrong. If one group's beliefs/assertions are right then all the other groups' must be wrong, ergo most people are wrong.

kneemos · 13-01-2015 10:26AM

MistyCheese wrote: »

Some Atheists seem to be as eager to convert as latter day Christians.

Preach and convert.

Saralee4 · 13-01-2015 10:47AM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I don't think so - consider someone raised in an atheist household. They've lived their whole lives up to 18 without taking the whole God thing seriously, it's just an silly tale like Santa or the Tooth Fairy.

This person has done what most people do: absorbed the attitude of their parents uncritically, but is still unquestionably an atheist.

most children at some point question things. Ie the meaning of life, science.

I don't get this argument that being atheist require no thought. If anything living your life by the rules of a book which you shouldn't question because you should have faith requires less thought as you just accept what you are told as truth. (I don't believe that it requires no thought to be religious or atheist myself but people seem stuck on that argument which you could say on either side and it doesn't even make sense. Of course it requires thought to choose what to believe in) and values or Morals do not come from a religion, the religion merely preaches them but we all know plenty of instances where religious people have not followed or lived by those values.

There are people who are intelligent atheist and religious people that have strong good moral values and there is the opposite on both sides too.

values and Morals stem from what you believe is right and wrong which stems from your ability to empathise and put yourself in someone else's shoes.

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 10:52AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

How do you make that out? How can you prove that?

Answer; You can't, it's just your own opinion, your own belief which is fine of course. Just don't try to pass it off as fact when it's not.

Statistically he is probably right, there are 200+ documented deities or gods...you cant all be right.

AudreyHepburn · 13-01-2015 10:55AM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Statistically he is probably right, there are 200+ documented deities or gods...you cant all be right.

I didn't say that to be fair.

My own opinion is that nobody knows for sure, it's a matter of opinion and belief and to pretend otherwise, whether your viewpoint is atheist or theist is wrong.

Ole Rodrigo · 13-01-2015 10:55AM

How do you spot an Atheist at a party ?

No need to bother, they'll tell you.

:pac:

Peist2007 · 13-01-2015 10:59AM

MistyCheese wrote: »

Some Atheists seem to be as eager to convert as latter day Christians.

I think it's just human nature to point out a waste of time to your fellow man. Even Jebus would have followed such a sentiment. It would have been dressed up in a metaphor about fish or sand or something, but the premise would still have been there.

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 11:00AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I didn't say that to be fair.

My own opinion is that nobody knows for sure, it's a matter of opinion and belief and to pretend otherwise, whether your viewpoint is atheist or theist is wrong.

I can read above what you replied to, just admit that you are wrong in this instance.

Peist2007 · 13-01-2015 11:02AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I didn't say that to be fair.

My own opinion is that nobody knows for sure, it's a matter of opinion and belief and to pretend otherwise, whether your viewpoint is atheist or theist is wrong.

Do you believe in the planet located 50 billion light years away where half-human half-duck creatures fly and waddle all over the place? I do. I will say though that nobody knows for sure, it's a matter of opinion and belief and to pretend otherwise is wrong.

Gbear · 13-01-2015 11:03AM

Ole Rodrigo wrote: »

How do you spot an Atheist at a party ?

No need to bother, they'll tell you.

:pac:

I don't think I've ever seen that happen and I've known plenty of atheists.

It's probably a thing in cultures where it's a big deal (like Ireland 20 years ago) but young people just aren't very religious any more.

kneemos · 13-01-2015 11:05AM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Statistically he is probably right, there are 200+ documented deities or gods...you cant all be right.

One of them can be right.

Peist2007 · 13-01-2015 11:09AM

kneemos wrote: »

One of them can be right.

Is one though? Whats your reason for thinking it is right ahead of the others?

One eyed Jack · 13-01-2015 11:12AM

Saralee4 wrote: »

most children at some point question things. Ie the meaning of life, science.

I don't get this argument that being atheist require no thought. If anything living your life by the rules of a book which you shouldn't question because you should have faith requires less thought as you just accept what you are told as truth. (I don't believe that it requires no thought to be religious or athesism myself but people seem stuck on that argument which you could say on either side and it doesn't even make sense. Of course it requires thought to choose what to believe in) and values or Morals do not come from a religion, the religion merely preaches them but we all know plenty of instances where religious people have not followed or lived by those values.

There are people who are intelligent atheist and religious people that have strong good moral values and there is the opposite on both sides too.

values and Morals stem from what you believe is right and wrong which stems from your ability to empathise and put yourself in someone else's shoes.

Sara I think you're misconstruing what I'm saying when I say that atheism requires no thought. Atheism isn't a belief system. The very essence of atheism is an absence of belief. Therefore there simply isn't anything to question, there isn't anything to think about, there isn't anything to believe in. It's simply a neutral position and there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. What IS wrong however is to coral in all the stuff you DO believe in, such as your belief in humanity and so on, with your atheist position. In the same way as you quite rightly point out that people don't need a book to tell them how to live, a person who is atheist doesn't need to identify with anything else in order to tell them how to live either. Your humanitarianism is a completely separate and distinct ideology from your atheism. There is nothing to distinguish a person who is atheist from a person who is religious, other than the fact they simply do not acknowledge the possibility of a deity or deities.

All those 'debates' we see on YouTube and the TED talks and so on are nothing more than prominent figures in both camps doing PR exercises for their respective positions. Neither side is ever likely to give an inch, it's just done for show. I believe that every person should be able to decide for themselves what feels right for them, but I believe they do not have the right to impose their ideology on complete strangers to them. As is the case with any ideology though - there are some people that share that belief, and there are some people that don't. I also happen to believe that just because a person tries to impose their ideology on me, I don't think there much point in me bothering to retaliate in kind. That just leads to a bitching match where both of us end up unhappy. I'm cool with letting the person think they've "won", if that's what keeps them happy. If I were in the OP's position (and I often have been), I would have simply shook it off rather than let it upset me enough to start a thread about it on here.

seamus · 13-01-2015 11:16AM

kneemos wrote: »

One of them can be right.

200+ is also incorrect. There are several thousand "documented" Gods through human history.

And undoubtedly several hundred thousand undocumented Gods that have been invented and forgotten through human prehistory.

In reality there are an infinite number of possible gods imaginable (as well as an infinite number of godless scenarios).

So everyone who claims to be certain about anything is wrong. Picking a god is like picking a number between one and 5674 quintillion and being absolutely sure that your number will be picked out of the pot.

kneemos · 13-01-2015 11:17AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Is one though? Whats your reason for thinking it is right ahead of the others?

No particular reason,just sayin one of them could be right.

Peist2007 · 13-01-2015 11:28AM

kneemos wrote: »

No particular reason,just sayin one of them could be right.

There are infinite possibilities, as already pointed out. Of course, one of them could be true. There is no actual evidence of this whatsoever but one could be true. What i want to know is what gets you out of bed on a Sunday to go to Mass and worship your particular God?

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 11:29AM

kneemos wrote: »

One of them can be right.

can=could

Unlikely all the same.

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 11:33AM

Ole Rodrigo wrote: »

How do you spot an Atheist at a party ?

No need to bother, they'll tell you.

:pac:

I think I heard that for owners of iPhones too but I think they are both nonsense.

13-01-2015 11:49AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

There are infinite possibilities, as already pointed out. Of course, one of them could be true. There is no actual evidence of this whatsoever but one could be true. What i want to know is what gets you out of bed on a Sunday to go to Mass and worship your particular God?

I prefer Sunday evening mass myself.

CruelCoin · 13-01-2015 11:55AM

seamus wrote: »

So everyone who claims to be certain about anything is wrong. Picking a god is like picking a number between one and 5674 quintillion and being absolutely sure that your number will be picked out of the pot.

You are of course wrong.

Everyone knows that Pikki Woki is the one true god.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pikkiwoki-the-Papua-New-Guinean-mud-god/110840145608298

besides, he's promising all the coconuts i can carry!

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 11:56AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

You are of course wrong.

Everyone knows that Pikki Woki is the one true god.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pikkiwoki-the-Papua-New-Guinean-mud-god/110840145608298

besides, he's promising all the coconuts i can carry!

Is he not a bit too....how do I say this.....muddy?

kneemos · 13-01-2015 11:57AM

Peist2007 wrote: »

There are infinite possibilities, as already pointed out. Of course, one of them could be true. There is no actual evidence of this whatsoever but one could be true. What i want to know is what gets you out of bed on a Sunday to go to Mass and worship your particular God?

People get out of bed to give thanks and praise I presume.

Baggy Trousers · 13-01-2015 12:00PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

There are infinite possibilities, as already pointed out. Of course, one of them could be true. There is no actual evidence of this whatsoever but one could be true. What i want to know is what gets you out of bed on a Sunday to go to Mass and worship your particular God?

Flock mentality.

CruelCoin · 13-01-2015 12:02PM

kneemos wrote: »

People get out of bed to give thanks and praise I presume.

Well yes, we get that, but why?

Why their god as opposed to ANY of these: http://i48.tinypic.com/10px942.jpg

I'm not sure on the validity or the intelligence of a belief formed entirely from "Sure, everyone else believes in this one"

CruelCoin · 13-01-2015 12:05PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

http://i48.tinypic.com/10px942.jpg

Just saw that Pikki-Woki isn't on that list.

What blasphemy is this?

CruelCoin · 13-01-2015 12:06PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Is he not a bit too....how do I say this.....muddy?

Accept his slimy embrace!

One eyed Jack · 13-01-2015 12:08PM

kneemos wrote: »

People get out of bed to give thanks and praise I presume.

Exactly.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that all the girls from the local teacher training college... just, happen to be there at the same time...

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