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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Gould was injured also and rested
    Why was gould rested yet in heavy conditions and bad ground lad with hamstrings played??!! Unbelievable


    Also kerrigan will be back but himself and barry o driscoll have holidays and allowed off
    I'm sorry now but this is January
    Both with respect hardly guarantee place start anyway I'm consistency is be improved but allow them special exemption imo not good for moral
    I'm sorry but they surely had time take holiday since August


    Also imo seems like last year dualism one rule one and another for others in regards commitment
    Donaghey proven player got in trouble over going champions league final when with kerry

    This is imo so far off professional set up


    Mark Collins imo as said earlier was brillant and people criticsed him last year when I stood up him I'm he's hungry. Tough within and creative and cover ground and physically fine today huge physics challenge

    Midfield tries last year and imo failed and he's better half forward come defender and better than corl m driscoll and durrant and with o rourke got start got to


    Midfield huge problem in driscoll while better than cussen won't scare kerry and imo cork needs ball winners v Buckley moran maher walsh etc
    I think he'll persist with collins yet collins won't win aerial ball


    O donoughue was brillant physically challenge and fine high ball but turned too easily and this is heavy ground yet he's slow
    He's has everything you want in football in other aera imo better centre back and be better with him there cadogan back corner

    Hayes should be dropped off panel as max eoin in one game showed desire want hunger toughness hayes never has in eight years

    Cork lucky riordain didn't play midfield imo



    Cork imo played orthodox today and caught between blanket and open game
    Cuthbhert still no idea what system he plays and we have no coach so no surprise


    Cork lost great I mean great now really really great player today Jennifer o leary retired with eight all stars four all ireland
    She was brillant and legend games and four hour round trip armagh cork just train, epic stuff showed want and desire she had to play for cork


    Best luck to her in her retirement she should be honoured freedom cork imo as if it was a man he's get it
    A true true legend wonderful player the greatest I mean greatest of the game now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭sean mac


    TTM don't put anything beyond this management team, cussen is there for the league at least. The lads think this is a tactical masterplan. They don't seem to realise that to survive in the bearpit of midfield at intercounty against fellas like maher, moran, mcauley, Gallagher and the osheas you need to be tough physically and mentally, cussen unfortunately is neither.
    Besides their inability to judge a player at this level and their inability to game manage we still don't have a dedicated football coach.......you couldn't make it up, instead we have each fella doing a bit.
    Odonoghue would be eaten in a full back line in the summer, cadogan will continuously run into cul de sacs at half back, leave him full and ffs give up with this nonsense of tom Clancy at 3, the man is a born centre back and was beginning to show form again this year after the Kerry debacle.
    Mark Collins a fine player and despite being light is plenty tough enough but as you said a half forward and imo a good idea for sweeper as he is an excellent footpasser also.
    Keeper remains a problem, he simply has no confidence in aiming the ball long and he is too easily put off doing this, mentally weak. I don't know where we are going, for relegation anyway and after that it will be a difficult summer. Dan Maceoin - superb left foot, great attitude and worth his place on the squad over any of desmond, durrant, odriscoll or hayes......
    I have no fiath for the season ahead and it is simply a shame with the panel available, great to see donncha continue to show what a classy intelligent footballer he is, has anyone ever seen him miss a oenalty?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭CORKDOUBLE


    Donncha great penalty taker ....but John Hayes also scored great pressure goals from penaltys in Croke Park....v, Galway in 2005...v, Donegal in 2006 and remember the one against Kerry in 2008 when he had to wait 2 minutes before the kick was taken ....into injury time to draw that semi final ...I think it was one of the greatest pressure kicks ever taking ....about the team at the moment it looks like its the same as last season picking players all over the place ....does this man know anything about putting a settled team together ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    CORKDOUBLE wrote: »
    Donncha great penalty taker ....but John Hayes also scored great pressure goals from penaltys in Croke Park....v, Galway in 2005...v, Donegal in 2006 and remember the one against Kerry in 2008 when he had to wait 2 minutes before the kick was taken ....into injury time to draw that semi final ...I think it was one of the greatest pressure kicks ever taking ....about the team at the moment it looks like its the same as last season picking players all over the place ....does this man know anything about putting a settled team together ....

    That'd spot on
    Hayes where credo due penalty taking couldn't fault him now and to be fair id have no problem him taking a penalty
    He's techniques is top class and good under pressure
    In play totally different though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    sean mac wrote: »
    TTM don't put anything beyond this management team, cussen is there for the league at least. The lads think this is a tactical masterplan. They don't seem to realise that to survive in the bearpit of midfield at intercounty against fellas like maher, moran, mcauley, Gallagher and the osheas you need to be tough physically and mentally, cussen unfortunately is neither.
    Besides their inability to judge a player at this level and their inability to game manage we still don't have a dedicated football coach.......you couldn't make it up, instead we have each fella doing a bit.
    Odonoghue would be eaten in a full back line in the summer, cadogan will continuously run into cul de sacs at half back, leave him full and ffs give up with this nonsense of tom Clancy at 3, the man is a born centre back and was beginning to show form again this year after the Kerry debacle.
    Mark Collins a fine player and despite being light is plenty tough enough but as you said a half forward and imo a good idea for sweeper as he is an excellent footpasser also.
    Keeper remains a problem, he simply has no confidence in aiming the ball long and he is too easily put off doing this, mentally weak. I don't know where we are going, for relegation anyway and after that it will be a difficult summer. Dan Maceoin - superb left foot, great attitude and worth his place on the squad over any of desmond, durrant, odriscoll or hayes......
    I have no fiath for the season ahead and it is simply a shame with the panel available, great to see donncha continue to show what a classy intelligent footballer he is, has anyone ever seen him miss a oenalty?

    Id agree

    Doc I don't think so
    Brilliant penalty taker like hayes and Cleary v dublin in 89
    Doc I's like a fine red wine mature with age

    He's a leader a warrior a great great I mean really really great player

    He's father kerry to the bone and nice fella lucky doc played cork

    Doc has want and desire be great still
    Some point today we're sensational
    That what cork jersey means him
    On any day he will perform
    Others so called stars don't do that


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭wackokid


    Great stuff TTM, but when did John Hayes p1ss in your cornflakes?
    You seem to come the heavy on this great servant to Cork football in practically every post about Cork football.
    OK, he's no Gooch, but in pure football terms he's up there with most.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    wackokid wrote: »
    Great stuff TTM, but when did John Hayes p1ss in your cornflakes?
    You seem to come the heavy on this great servant to Cork football.

    Wacko no one doubts in fairness servant he gave

    But grea???

    Don't think so
    Look your know me I call it straight
    But I was right last year said he wouldn't do and course I got usual what do have against hayes
    I don't want cork go waste another year when mac eoin Hurley Colm goulding much better than him

    What has hayes done I'n big games from play v kerry
    Even Counihan didn't rate him that tells it own story

    Today I expect him to lead from the front
    He got nothing from play so it's perfectly valid criticism
    I said before top coach he's make

    Nothing against hayes judge him player
    I said many times kissane cork was over rated player and wanted him dropped and said wouldn't do v dublin
    Course usual nonsense think what you got against kissane

    Yet I laud him as a coach as great great young coach

    It's simple I don't do personal agenda I judge on what I see before me and on player on task in hand
    I simply keep criticism hayes as he's picked
    What am meant do in fairness not judge hayes today when he played bad and just ignore him
    I don't cherry pick I'm sorry rating players in games
    I' judge one Lad I judge all fifteen and subs be fair and equal
    I did praise he's penalty taking
    You judge on what you see before you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 163 ✭✭North Cork Star


    Thanks for the positive feedback on my report lads. Much appreciated. I am going to try to become more involved now as I am always an avid reader of these threads.
    North cork star I admire your posts greatly but lot your rating are way way too generous I don't think you actually have given any player a bad rating which imo is unrealistic. They play for cork there entitled to be judged on field of play so giving every Lad good ratings for sake of it no good going forward

    TTM1, I understand where you are coming from, But at the start of every year I go to these games in the hope we might find one great player in the making. A player with a lot of potential. I try to be positive with the new players as they are adjusting to the level etc. I remember watching Harnedy just a couple of seasons ago. The first few games he looked like he wasn't up to it but JBM kept the faith and it was IMO the challenge game in Kilworth against Limerick where he put his hand up for a starting place. It does take a few games to see the real player. If they don't impress after a while, they are simply not up to it and that is fair enough but you'd never know who can make the breakthrough. When I did make my player ratings, I know no one played outstanding and I did point out a few flaws in the players performances but we will have to wait and see who can make it to the top. Will any of the new lads make it? I don't know. Hopefully. Maybe some other lads can develop at this level. Interesting times ahead! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭N20


    Thanks for the positive feedback on my report lads. Much appreciated. I am going to try to become more involved now as I am always an avid reader of these threads.
    North cork star I admire your posts greatly but lot your rating are way way too generous I don't think you actually have given any player a bad rating which imo is unrealistic. They play for cork there entitled to be judged on field of play so giving every Lad good ratings for sake of it no good going forward

    TTM1, I understand where you are coming from, But at the start of every year I go to these games in the hope we might find one great player in the making. A player with a lot of potential. I try to be positive with the new players as they are adjusting to the level etc. I remember watching Harnedy just a couple of seasons ago. The first few games he looked like he wasn't up to it but JBM kept the faith and it was IMO the challenge game in Kilworth against Limerick where he put his hand up for a starting place. It does take a few games to see the real player. If they don't impress after a while, they are simply not up to it and that is fair enough but you'd never know who can make the breakthrough. When I did make my player ratings, I know no one played outstanding and I did point out a few flaws in the players performances but we will have to wait and see who can make it to the top. Will any of the new lads make it? I don't know. Hopefully. Maybe some other lads can develop at this level. Interesting times ahead! :)

    Excellent - the more variety and voices the better
    I look forward to your posts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭N20


    N20 wrote: »
    Very disappointing result on Friday

    Conditions were very difficult and the more physical side were able to deal with them better

    Dayne Lee did try his utmost to bring his team into it, and the Eddie Gunning led backs tightened up second half and Thurles would only have had themselves to blame if they had lost the game

    Had a levelling point gone over, unfortunately I think Thurles would have prevailed in extra time / replay ?

    I've seen Dan Gunning a few times and read the incredible reviews here - he is a great prospect but he needs time to mature physically, he's tough but at the moment he's too light and too easily outmuscled by bigger lads - a point from play last 2 matches a poor return from your star forward - Now with the protection of bigger stronger lads around him in a minor set up he might thrive but I was expecting more from him on Friday

    Again on Friday there was ball wasted over sideline - at times by the strong wind but the goalie sent some of his puckouts over which baffled me and it was the same in O Callaghan Cup - giving away possession needlessly

    Management are being blamed big time but equally Thurles used the ball poorly in continuing to take pot shots for duration of second half which sailed wide

    The betting seems to have Thurles favorites now to win it out which is probably a surprise for Ard Scoil Ris

    I was told this was AGs best team for a while and they won't be as strong again next year - disappointing their run has come to an end this year

    The other 3 Cork teams have fighting chances and hopefully will prevail on Wednesday

    Good to see JBM giving Lee special mention in examiner today
    he met him coming off pitch as well on Saturday and clearly had a word for him
    It's that type of connection that inspires young lads


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭Prop Joe


    If anyone can help me out on some club info

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2057357984


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭zetecescort


    Prop Joe wrote: »
    If anyone can help me out on some club info

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...p?t=2057357984

    This will get you started anyway, draws for this years senior, premier intermediate and intermediate championships

    http://www.gaacork.ie/news/347406/County_Senior_Intermediate_Championship_Draws_2015


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭N20


    Have to agree with you. Every team looking for inches to give them an edge but some of this stuff is away with the fairies. Non-dominant eye training???? Jaysus they'll be adding Specsavers to the Dublin backroom team next.

    Interesting comments by Anthony Daly today referring to Managers getting carried away by 'Gimmicks' - now only sound bites in article I saw and a certain slant can always be put on comments but interesting given he's recently left the Dublin set up and interesting in respect of aforementioned piece in Examiner

    He mentioned a 90/10 split, pure hurling v S&C/diet/ psychology - or at least that was my interpretation of it - I was surprised at how far he leaned to the 'traditional' view

    Somewhere in middle ground presumably would be a better balance ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    N20 wrote: »
    Interesting comments by Anthony Daly today referring to Managers getting carried away by 'Gimmicks' - now only sound bites in article I saw and a certain slant can always be put on comments but interesting given he's recently left the Dublin set up and interesting in respect of aforementioned piece in Examiner

    He mentioned a 90/10 split, pure hurling v S&C/diet/ psychology - or at least that was my interpretation of it - I was surprised at how far he leaned to the 'traditional' view

    Somewhere in middle ground presumably would be a better balance ?

    Good manager but can you please explain to me what has he actually he won bar a leinster title and league medal
    Nothing really


    So I automatically tend favours logic over myth
    The logic I'll enlighten you is as follows


    Now ed coughlan has actually got mayo two all ireland final numerous connaught titles
    Now cian o neill another scientific coach has got tipp all ireland and kerry numerous other credit to he's name
    Jim mcguinness another science fanatic all ireland success

    Davy Fitzgerald all ireland and fitzgibbon cup s lit and out of date waterford all ireland final


    James Mccarthy hugely in to scientific ways got haven county titl win

    Paudie kissane who study science in physical education watch this space top coach and will be with top intercounty team within three years I heard on good authority you heard it hear first

    Jerry Wallis hugely scientific and Brough in nutrition and hydration and speed and agility and recovery practical revolutionidee limerick under age hurling

    Niall moran who was one first I'd guess Brough early morning training and post match annalise team talk with video analyst and nutrition and ice baths to school hurling With Ard scoil

    Frank flannery brought science to Millford all ireland camoige champions

    Declan wall hugely in to scientific ways brought good counsel all ireland under sixteen hurling title

    Ucc who brought annalise in video and nutrition to a high level won fitzgoibbion cup and sigerson


    Donal o grady used a sport psychologist corl won all ireland as well as Wallis and mcgrath prove their ways work

    Cork camoige before under Paudie Murray brought in Caroline currid and helped them enormously

    Is that enough example for you

    Daly r talking utter nonsense with respect


    You see he was good manager in other ways but never bought in to modern ways maybe that's why he was good but never great


    You can trust my astute judgement limerick academy will go backwards under him at best stay same

    Limerick old school disciples will absolutely give him freedom of limerick imo for preaching old school ways

    What a load nonsense he spoke

    Paul kinnerks top example

    Donie Buckley one greatest modern day football coaching around hugely scientific

    Jack o connor brought in flangnan

    Morgan was in to scientific way and introduce warm weather camps and strength conditions at times it was alien to most

    I could open thread this

    Daly simply doesn't understand or simply want to understand new ways


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 303 ✭✭Smith614


    Good manager but can you please explain to me what has he actually he won bar a leinster title and league medal
    Nothing really


    So I automatically tend favours logic over myth
    The logic I'll enlighten you is as follows


    Now ed coughlan has actually got mayo two all ireland final numerous connaught titles
    Now cian o neill another scientific coach has got tipp all ireland and kerry numerous other credit to he's name
    Jim mcguinness another science fanatic all ireland success

    Davy Fitzgerald all ireland and fitzgibbon cup s lit and out of date waterford all ireland final


    James Mccarthy hugely in to scientific ways got haven county titl win

    Paudie kissane who study science in physical education watch this space top coach and will be with top intercounty team within three years I heard on good authority you heard it hear first

    Jerry Wallis hugely scientific and Brough in nutrition and hydration and speed and agility and recovery practical revolutionidee limerick under age hurling

    Niall moran who was one first I'd guess Brough early morning training and post match annalise team talk with video analyst and nutrition and ice baths to school hurling With Ard scoil

    Frank flannery brought science to Millford all ireland camoige champions

    Declan wall hugely in to scientific ways brought good counsel all ireland under sixteen hurling title

    Ucc who brought annalise in video and nutrition to a high level won fitzgoibbion cup and sigerson


    Donal o grady used a sport psychologist corl won all ireland as well as Wallis and mcgrath prove their ways work

    Cork camoige before under Paudie Murray brought in Caroline currid and helped them enormously

    Is that enough example for you

    Daly r talking utter nonsense with respect


    You see he was good manager in other ways but never bought in to modern ways maybe that's why he was good but never great


    You can trust my astute judgement limerick academy will go backwards under him at best stay same

    Limerick old school disciples will absolutely give him freedom of limerick imo for preaching old school ways

    What a load nonsense he spoke

    Paul kinnerks top example

    Donie Buckley one greatest modern day football coaching around hugely scientific

    Jack o connor brought in flangnan

    Morgan was in to scientific way and introduce warm weather camps and strength conditions at times it was alien to most

    I could open thread this

    Daly simply doesn't understand or simply want to understand new ways
    Everybody differs on these topics but I must say the Ed Coughlan interview was without doubt the biggest load of bollo* I read in a long time. We can quote all the successes with science and then we can mention KK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭N20


    Smith614 wrote: »
    Everybody differs on these topics but I must say the Ed Coughlan interview was without doubt the biggest load of bollo* I read in a long time. We can quote all the successes with science and then we can mention KK.


    Yeah I can envisage Brian Cody incorporating peripheral eye training in his warm up alright

    The point I think in general is there is no doubt there is benefit from a scientific approach - the normal stuff - but I thought Yerman was talking it to a ridiculous level - by same token I'm sure Daly comments were tongue in cheek or at best taken out of context (that can happen)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2014/0609/622664-cody-a-master-of-motivation/

    http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/kilkennys-adopted-son-dempsey-plotting-further-glory-for-cats-30560656.html

    http://www.peakfitness.ie/modern-physical-training-is-not-so-modern-after-all/



    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/michael-dempsey-proves-an-important-cog-in-cody-s-winning-machine-1.1916892


    http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2507131144-student-of-the-game-an-interview-with-michael-fennelly/


    I can go on and on, and I can go all night long regards science in sport I'm only getting started I'f I need to prove more
    Yes old traditional values are essence game, robotic hurling won't do but you have hurlers embraced with science today to stay up with their opponents as game evolved huge level


    This is a myth absolutely myth and those belive Kilkenney just turn up win fifty fifty battles beat your opponent with out any scientific preparation or science or new ways are with respect so so gullible they would swallow an anchor and belive any old rubbish if they believe that nonsense when clear clear evidence proves other wise


    Yea as seen some articles kilkenny pay huge amount fundamental of the game and imo they are bread and butter of the game and crucial but it's fifty fifty in you have be fit, fast tactical astute and up with new innovative ways or pure hurling won't win, in you must match your opponent at every other level of strength so then your aera strength in hurling can overcome their weakness



    I have seen Kilkenney train many times with my own eyes and I eat raw raw carrot I'm like a rabbit I eat them hugely and my eyes are like a cat I can see what stands before me

    I saw Kilkenney many times last seven years and their training is in to scientific ways modern drills
    What marks then apart is their attuide is above everyone else and they never drop below hundred per cent so without out science waste time but attuide alone useless with out modern ways


    Kilkenney Cody preached don't do tactics
    Lads with respect wake up and smell the coffee
    Look at dublin this year. Corl in 2006, second half v limerick way tactical nous prevailed of course they play it down Kilkenney are shrewd.
    They training in carlow simply as modern scientific colleagues for sport and I know for a fact Kilkenney place huge emphasis on science in the game


    As for coughlan I gave a post last week proved dominant eye training I'd prevalent in the game and have given many examples
    If people want to debate point I raises feel free to do so, but no one has actually counter debated it with logic and reason and rather take with respect the lazy approach just dismiss it as waffle.
    I can't name the player as it wound give opponent huge advantage but I know one inter county under age hurlers getting one dominant training as he needs it other wise he won't play
    Not all hurlers do need it but some do


    I knew kilkenny would be used as example as knew many are easily fooled by myth they just hurl so I actually left it out my first post as like a good poker player you always hold ace spades for your last hand, and never show your full hand at first

    Kilkenney have always had physically strength conditions coach etc nutritional speed coaches just played down by them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 417 ✭✭CORKDOUBLE


    It looks like the weather for Wednesday is very bad ....a shame for the Harty Cup games if it happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Also look at St kieran Kilkenney croke cup winners well know physical qualified teacher and experience and expertise in strength conditions with them and he has he own business in that work with them ger flood

    That'd just a school team kilkenny aren't eating a special type of kilkenny corn flake or special type kilkenny porridge or anything special in their water that's akin to the rest of the country that there hurlers are born naturally strong
    They got to do the work and put the science in to it like every other county


    They got to and use science too just like kerry have and mtichestowb cork Lad with limerick under twenty one hurling was with kerry minor football before years ago


    Youghal man o leary doing brilliant work cork minors hurling

    Limerick minors hurling has top quality strength conditions coach last year and was head hunted few senior teams


    I do agree like one article I posted said it's gone to level that in club game normal game puts coaches off joining set up and some clubs can't afford one but unfortunately most counties do it so clubs have little choice really but I feel for them


    Newton are luck in manager ed daly ex munster rubgy is actually qualified strength conditions coach etc

    Corl football won' all ireland has brilliant Aidan o connell munster rubgy with them and would not won in game style they played they needed top top coach in that side of the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/hennessy-says-cork-badly-need-battlers-306228.html


    This is brilliant form a brilliant brilliant hurler and a man that has had I'll health in the past but tremendous courage and bravery thank full he came out the other side

    What a player now here was a hurler but a warrior within
    Remember goal Thurles at angles that was imo obsolete but he threaded a bullet like threading a needle such accuracy that ken hogan hadn't a chance save it


    This is great by hennesy and he spoke some real truths here and that's what I'm on bout honesty within to realise value and essence blood and bandage values it holds dearly and what cork must do and he's right regards some our forward play


    He's calling a spade a spade

    People here after Saturday game way too gracious in assessment cork players imo
    In line with hennesy people should ask how many them are battlers and would do in a battle????

    I don't agree huge set back in I believe tactical melt down and once management do Jim gavin admit there fault then players won't self doubt and I belive jbm has no ego do such thing and jbm is humble enough to do it imo



    Now ex football greats need to learn from hennesy honesty and leads way and start saying some harsh truths football team needs to hear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Speaking of kilkenny

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/science-of-silence-194499.html

    Cork would do well if they learned from it
    See the way no kilkenny player certain position and one player who develop an arrogance was played out of position
    That was that
    He learned
    That's what I'm saying if patrick horgan played for Kilkenney he would be or have been dropped
    In a way you can't blame horgan as culture mindset he has of been automatically started imo management are to blame by not drop him for one game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭commonsense.


    N20 wrote:
    Interesting comments by Anthony Daly today referring to Managers getting carried away by 'Gimmicks' - now only sound bites in article I saw and a certain slant can always be put on comments but interesting given he's recently left the Dublin set up and interesting in respect of aforementioned piece in Examiner


    He mentioned a 90/10 split, pure hurling v S&C/diet/ psychology - or at least that was my interpretation of it - I was surprised at how far he leaned to the 'traditional' view[/quote]


    Somewhere in middle ground presumably would be a better balance ?[/quote]


    I'm with Dalo on this one. Hurling is a simple game. First to the ball/possession is 10/10ths of the law etc etc etc. Of course s + c/diet/stats have their part to play and Dalo understands that better than most. He is a progressive and open minded thinker on hurling who surrounds himself with like minded individuals (anybody who has spent time in Richie Stakelum's company couldn't but be impressed in his views on hurling today). Lets not over complicate our great game with bulls%*te I say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    He mentioned a 90/10 split, pure hurling v S&C/diet/ psychology - or at least that was my interpretation of it - I was surprised at how far he leaned to the 'traditional' view


    Somewhere in middle ground presumably would be a better balance ?[/quote]


    I'm with Dalo on this one. Hurling is a simple game. First to the ball/possession is 10/10ths of the law etc etc etc. Of course s + c/diet/stats have their part to play and Dalo understands that better than most. He is a progressive and open minded thinker on hurling who surrounds himself with like minded individuals (anybody who has spent time in Richie Stakelum's company couldn't but be impressed in his views on hurling today). Lets not over complicate our great game with bulls%*te I say.[/quote]

    Can you explain so why Cody jack o connor, fitzmaurice, o grady, mcguinness etc all proven and many more are successful

    You are right in thought thoughthat you have, in a lot of bullshi##e being spoken on the subject imo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭commonsense.


    CORKDOUBLE wrote:
    It looks like the weather for Wednesday is very bad ....a shame for the Harty Cup games if it happens.


    Yeah, shocking forecast. Games could be in doubt I'd say. If they all go ahead I hope the wind isn't too strong and gusty. I never minded playing in the rain myself but always hated wind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    He mentioned a 90/10 split, pure hurling v S&C/diet/ psychology - or at least that was my interpretation of it - I was surprised at how far he leaned to the 'traditional' view


    Somewhere in middle ground presumably would be a better balance ?[/quote]


    I'm with Dalo on this one. Hurling is a simple game. First to the ball/possession is 10/10ths of the law etc etc etc. Of course s + c/diet/stats have their part to play and Dalo understands that better than most. He is a progressive and open minded thinker on hurling who surrounds himself with like minded individuals (anybody who has spent time in Richie Stakelum's company couldn't but be impressed in his views on hurling today). Lets not over complicate our great game with bulls%*te I say.[/quote]

    What has daly done above all ireland winners to prove he's right and their wrong

    Daly never won all ireland as manager

    Ironic also and hyorrcitcsl imo of daly when he in fact won two all ireland when clare were fittest team in ireland and Brough physical conditions new level
    Wasn't just out hurling their opponents
    Lot nonsense being spoken imo here being spoken by some who clearly have no idea what there actually talking about with respect


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Twiceasnice97


    Speaking of kilkenny

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/science-of-silence-194499.html

    Cork would do well if they learned from it
    See the way no kilkenny player certain position and one player who develop an arrogance was played out of position
    That was that
    He learned
    That's what I'm saying if patrick horgan played for Kilkenney he would be or have been dropped
    In a way you can't blame horgan as culture mindset he has of been automatically started imo management are to blame by not drop him for one game.

    Classic cute hoor nonsense. the stuff the cap pulled down over the head in super value and the lads pulling womren with hurleys
    hilarious utterly joyless article


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    Classic cute hoor nonsense. the stuff the cap pulled down over the head in super value and the lads pulling womren with hurleys
    hilarious utterly joyless article

    Lot good points in it though regards media duties and players having perform every game
    I agree your other points though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/nothing-left-to-chance-as-dublin-shape-up-for-summer-29297297.html


    They all surely can't be wrong
    Dublin all ireland champions
    Look at physical conditions of likes Paul flynn and brogan etc

    As can be seen here daly in fact used one same one as gavin used
    Dublin certainly benefits from it as hurling physically was notorious as up their best around

    Where dublin failed was on tactical side by daly at times
    Daly just talking pile nonsense imo
    He's talking about diet just been small part game.
    He's wrong in if players doing excessive work load and carbs protein ratio and adequate rehydration is not sufficient and then like wise speed or agility is off its opponent all hurling training is worth a dime if he's out on feet with twenty five minutes to go


    Also for years people in cork cribbed that lads were blown of the ball physically three years ago at senior so it's paramount imo I would think cork should understand the need for science more than most as hurling is produced naturally in cork and was never really a problem imo but cork at development squads and senior were behind others in strength conditions wise and tactical wise as well
    When cork played teams went against teams play orthodox hurling they normally win
    Dublin daly preached is about beating you're opponent fifty fifty ball imo he actually forget the cork dublin game 2013 and should rewatch it dublin actually tried beat cork orthodox hurling and a cork team in transition years behind dublin and with a bare panel and without sullivan and other key players still beat dublin and would have even bar the sending off imo
    Dublin should of in that game played a system suit there talents available but rather play to their physically strength played a fast game that
    Flowed that suited cork imo
    Dublin had the hurling but simply you don't try and beat cork in game of a hurling who are that yard faster in hurling striking etc.
    They played to cork strengths and they perished on that rock imo



    Clare when they bullied cork physically and tactical wise imo dominated cork in both all ireland finals.
    Forget about the draw clare were miles miles better the drawn game





    Let's hope in cork he does away with in he's words the gimmick as he called them in strength conditions coach etc and limerick minors If he does will be beaten before a ball is pucked v cork minors
    Daly used one himself one of the best around so if he understands it better than most as it put why is giving about it then

    He's on bout how dublin over compensated physically than hurling wise, that's not strength conditions coach problem,hurling coach should done hurling also in fairness plenty time year do both
    Daly blaming one aspect of the game imo for he's own failings as a coach and if he's so on bout hurling winning the day he actually needs to up skills he's tactical nous imo which huge part of the game that he has at times clearly been shown in certain games to actually be poor enough
    Interesting to see how he does with limerick minors in the season ahead.



    Imo those against science in sport are the ones that don't really understand it
    Science is here to stay in the game and hurling is better for it as old days you had just hurling but now days imo you actually have accomplished athletes in every sense that are hurlers also and that can only be great for our greatest game going forward

    You can't be first to a fifty fifty ball if you not fast enough but your opponent is all because your opponent is doing speed work and fartlek training for example.
    The game thankfully has moved on with the times.
    This is 2015 not 1960.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 139 ✭✭rebelden




    I have seen Kilkenney train many times with my own eyes and I eat raw raw carrot I'm like a rabbit I eat them hugely and my eyes are like a cat I can see what stands before me

    Your are a gas man TTM. I enjoy skim reading your long posts no ending. Your must buy and read the world of newspapers. As for peripheral eye training and
    Ed Coughlan keep eating the carrots, you will be able to read all them papers in the dark one of these days. Jesus TTM your head is so far up your own whole its a wonder you can see in front of you. As you might say top posting. Ps please consider changing your username to writetoomuch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,276 ✭✭✭thinkstoomuch1


    rebelden wrote: »


    I have seen Kilkenney train many times with my own eyes and I eat raw raw carrot I'm like a rabbit I eat them hugely and my eyes are like a cat I can see what stands before me

    Your are a gas man TTM. I enjoy skim reading your long posts no ending. Your must buy and read the world of newspapers. As for peripheral eye training and
    Ed Coughlan keep eating the carrots, you will be able to read all them papers in the dark one of these days. Jesus TTM your head is so far up your own whole its a wonder you can see in front of you. As you might say top posting. Ps please consider changing your username to writetoomuch.

    Thank a lot your input means the world to me.


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