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thelad95 · 12-01-2015 07:14PM

brinty wrote: »

Lads here's a question...
anyone think Herrera is the second coming of Shinji/Berba/Bebe and will be sold before he's proven himself? he seems to have something about him but he's not been given a consistent chance to prove what he can do thus far

Bebe is not fit to lace the boots of the other two. The worst player to ever put on a Manchester United shirt.

Both Shinji and Berba showed flashes of brilliance but I think Fergie always got pissed at his lack of work-rate. I highly doubt walking around the pitch with his hands down by his sides was ever going to be endorsed by Fergie.

Herrera could come good yet. He was magnificent earlier in the season against Leicester and QPR but has been anonymous once or twice. Obviously he's had difficulties with injury as well. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Rayne Wooney · 12-01-2015 07:21PM

Rooney voted Ronaldo, Kroos and Bale as his top 3

bucketybuck · 12-01-2015 07:22PM

Like others, delighted that Ronaldo won, thought that maybe there would be a repeat of the world cup player of the tournament fiasco where Messi was given the award by default.

tastyt · 12-01-2015 07:26PM

thelad95 wrote: »

Bebe is not fit to lace the boots of the other two. The worst player to ever put on a Manchester United shirt.

Both Shinji and Berba showed flashes of brilliance but I think Fergie always got pissed at his lack of work-rate. I highly doubt walking around the pitch with his hands down by his sides was ever going to be endorsed by Fergie.

Herrera could come good yet. He was magnificent earlier in the season against Leicester and QPR but has been anonymous once or twice. Obviously he's had difficulties with injury as well. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

Berbatov did way more than kagawa . Won united a league with his goals!!!

Rob Thomas · 12-01-2015 07:54PM

Liam O wrote: »

All those games last season where he was United's best player over players who were "suited" to the PL must have been strange to watch then.

Kagawa had his moments I agree but you could count one one hand the number of really good games he had for United against decent teams.

My point was that he got plenty of chances from both Sir Alex and Moyes IMO.

Sir Alex had massive hopes for him but it just was the wrong club at the wrong time.

keeponhurling · 12-01-2015 08:08PM

Rob Thomas wrote: »

but it just was the wrong club at the wrong time.

another less kind way to say it, would be that he simply wasn't ever good enough

Pro. F · 12-01-2015 08:21PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

another less kind way to say it, would be that he simply wasn't ever good enough

He was one of the best no 10s in the world at Dortmund. Something more than him just not being good enough went on.

Winston Payne · 12-01-2015 08:33PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

No Puskas for Stephaine. James takes it.

Sense prevails. It was a turning volleyed goal in a World Cup knockout game FFS. Park football just doesn't stack up.

Tippex · 12-01-2015 08:55PM

Question where was Rojo yesterday?
And has there been any news as to why Falcao wasnt even on the bench (was he even in the stand)

Your Airbag · 12-01-2015 09:04PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

Sense prevails. It was a turning volleyed goal in a World Cup knockout game FFS. Park football just doesn't stack up.

Not that I'm too bothered who won it but I would have liked to see an Irish person claim it plus I though her goal was incredible.

Yes James goal was very good, he had to chest trap it and turn, Roche had to chest trap it flick it over an oppenent and volley it. It was a harder thing that she did.

Yes James did it on the stage of a world cup with better calibre of oppenents around him but to say Stephaine's goal was done in "park football" is wrong and disrepectful.

It was the womens National league not some group of friends meeting in the park. Yes the opposition was not the same but pressure is subjective. Roche was fighting for goals and points for her team and I'm sure it meant a lot to her, as much as goals mean to James.

I'm glad a smaller name like Roche got in there and would have been delighted if she won. Look at Luiz and Iniesta making it into the TOTY XI and you see that FIFA can be all about big names more than anything.

Iirc Roche has signed for a team in the highest division of the womens French league. I wish her all the best in her career.

I doubt I'll spot her down the park having a kick around any day soon.

Donnielighto · 12-01-2015 09:12PM

thelad95 wrote: »

Bebe is not fit to lace the boots of the other two. The worst player to ever put on a Manchester United shirt.

Both Shinji and Berba showed flashes of brilliance but I think Fergie always got pissed at his lack of work-rate. I highly doubt walking around the pitch with his hands down by his sides was ever going to be endorsed by Fergie.

Herrera could come good yet. He was magnificent earlier in the season against Leicester and QPR but has been anonymous once or twice. Obviously he's had difficulties with injury as well. I wouldn't write him off just yet.

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The_Kew_Tour · 12-01-2015 09:32PM

Bebe was not the worst player to play for United.

mewe · 12-01-2015 09:35PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Bebe was not the worst player to play for United.

That makes for a good question. Massimo Taibi?

The_Kew_Tour · 12-01-2015 09:37PM

mewe wrote: »

That makes for a good question. Massimo Taibi?

Yea him and Roy Carroll.

I'm ashamed to say Liam Miller is up there and that bloody fella djemba whatever way you spell it twice fella

Prunier was another

mewe · 12-01-2015 09:39PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Yea him and Roy Carroll.

I'm ashamed to say Liam Miller is up there and that bloody fella djemba whatever way you spell it twice fella

I actually thought Carroll was just as bad just after i posted that. Jaysus he was poor. The goal that went a mile over the line and how he got away with it that time was hilarious

bucketybuck · 12-01-2015 09:42PM

Seems like a lot of people have forgotten David Bellion.

The_Kew_Tour · 12-01-2015 09:42PM

mewe wrote: »

I actually thought Carroll was just as bad just after i posted that. Jaysus he was poor. The goal that went a mile over the line and how he got away with it that time was hilarious

If you go back 10 years we had poor selection of players.

Bellion was another.

bangkok · 12-01-2015 09:51PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

If you go back 10 years we had poor selection of players.

Bellion was another.

Like every team including Barcelona, Chelsea etc

The_Kew_Tour · 12-01-2015 09:54PM

bangkok wrote: »

Like every team including Barcelona, Chelsea etc

Chelsea won the league and got to semi final of CL 10 years ago.

Robson99 · 12-01-2015 10:02PM

Ralph Milne

MythicalMadMan · 12-01-2015 10:03PM

I agree with most of whats been said about the poor performance yesterday but I can see why he played Di Maria up top, having someone with genuine pace makes it harder for the opposition to press you higher up the pitch and I presume most of our long balls were to try and utalise his pace.

Saying that it didnt work out and maybe he coulda changed it around at half time Di Maria was never going to last the whole game just being back from injury so his substitution was fine and even though we dont like to see hoof ball he did try a plan b bringing on Fellaini against a Southampton team who were very orgainised against our very slow passing.

Im hoping when Rafael is 100% fit with shaw we go back to 4 at the back only chance he has had in months was via yovile and he didnt do it untill they both went off injured so Im not sure.

Not defending yesterday by a long shot but I do think there was some method to the madness hopefully we do get a CB and Rb in and we ditch the current system.

Winston Payne · 12-01-2015 10:17PM

Dong Fangzhou started a game at Stamford Bridge.

Other players like Taibi, Miller and Bellion have gone on to play in Europe, and have had reasonable careers. Dong Fangzhou wasn't just inadequate, he was a joke. A massive joke. He's the worst and I think it's by a long, long way.

J. Marston · 12-01-2015 10:20PM

Winston Payne wrote: »

Dong Fangzhou started a game at Stamford Bridge.

The game where we got a guard of honour after we had won the league. Think it was the dullest 0-0 ever too.

Deiseboy01 · 12-01-2015 10:20PM

Robson99 wrote: »

Ralph Milne

Just about to type it. Fergie rated him his worst ever signing. Was a great player for Dundee when they won the league and got to a european cup semi final iirc. Never did it for utd though. Too fond of the bottle. Last I heard he was a raging alcoholic poor chap.

Winston Payne · 12-01-2015 10:22PM

J. Marston wrote: »

The game where we got a guard of honour after we had won the league. Think it was the dullest 0-0 ever too.

If you'd said the previous August that that is how the season would play out, you'd have gotten looks. And yes it was an absolutely atrocious game.

Pro. F · 12-01-2015 10:22PM

Just had a look at the fourfourtwo stats zone there. Carrick played more long balls than any other United outfield player (8). And even though he played more of all types of passes, long balls still represented a higher proportion of his passes (10.1%) than for any other United outfield player except for Blackett and Fellaini, who had much smaller samples and were only playing during the game chasing shenanigans at the end. Second highest proportion was Blind (9.6%), third was Valencia (9.3%), fourth was Jones (7.9%).

I'm sure if we bought a new centre-back or two that would fix our turgid possession. That makes sense.

Blue giant · 12-01-2015 10:26PM

Pro. F wrote: »

long balls still represented a higher proportion of his passes (10.1%) than for any other United outfield player except for Blackett and Fellaini

So third highest ..... Or am I missing something

Pro. F · 12-01-2015 10:28PM

Blue giant wrote: »

So third highest ..... Or am I missing something

Edit: scratch that

You're missing the fact that Blackett and Fellaini were only subs and so had a much smaller influence on the game, smaller sample size to look at and were playing during the late phase of the game where the tactical plan seems to have been to try lumping it.

yabadabado · 12-01-2015 10:30PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I'm glad a smaller name like Roche got in there and would have been delighted if she won. Look at Luiz and Iniesta making it into the TOTY XI and you see that FIFA can be all about big names more than anything.

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TOTY was voted for by the players,nothing to do with FIFA.Still baffling how either of those got voted onto it.

Liam McPoyle · 12-01-2015 11:25PM

United are signing Messi in the summer.

New deal with Adidas kicks in then.

Messi wearing an Adidas hoody at the Ballon D'or.

#2+2=7

#intheknow

#ballbagcankissmebollix

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