Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

gosplan · 11-01-2015 07:52PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

Sure hindsight is great

Or just rationality at the time.

Hummels had just won the German league.

Jones had just signed from Blackburn.

Not saying it was all this thread or anything. Standard Englih media inspired over-rating of players.

irishfeen · 11-01-2015 07:56PM

Shaw and Valencia's final delivery in the first half was absolutely septic .. Really need to improve for us to get anywhere.

keeponhurling · 11-01-2015 07:59PM

Perhaps Blind will gets a run at left wing back, he did the role well for the Dutch team

rolliepoley · 11-01-2015 08:00PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

When did Fergie say it? Link please.

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8666649/premier-league-sir-alex-ferguson-praises-manchester-uniteds-phil-jones

4 min

gosplan · 11-01-2015 08:00PM

tastyt wrote: »

Honest question here.

How do United fans think moyes would have faired if he was given the money LVG was. I understand he might not have been able to attract di Maria or falcao but do you think he would be challenging for title/top4/ or was he genuinely never gonna be good enough??

I think Moyes could simply not succeed.

Honestly, you had the greatest motivator and man-manager in the history of the game, additionally who had complete power at the club.

I think once he walks out the door there has to be a year or two of just getting over it.

irishfeen · 11-01-2015 08:09PM

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/554364914488606720

We really fell back when these two went off - strange enough subs by LVG

irishfeen · 11-01-2015 08:17PM

LVG and the club have come out and confirmed Falcao stayed in OT to watch the game - amazing how much shít the papers will make up about United..

adox · 11-01-2015 08:18PM

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/554364914488606720

We really fell back when these two went off - strange enough subs by LVG

Tbh I was surprised to see so many recently injured players starting today.

keeponhurling · 11-01-2015 08:21PM

irishfeen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/manutd/status/554364914488606720

We really fell back when these two went off - strange enough subs by LVG

I thought Blind going to left wing back and Shaw going off improved things actually

In the first half virtually nothing was created down the left

Kylo Ren · 11-01-2015 08:22PM

De Gea

Valencia----Jones

Smalling----Shaw

Carrick

Blind

Di Maria

Mata

Rooney

RVP

That's how we could have lined out with the team VG picked today.

homerjay2005 · 11-01-2015 08:31PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I thought Blind going to left wing back and Shaw going off improved things actually

In the first half virtually nothing was created down the left

Bringing on blackett was baffling tho. Why not go with Blind at left back and put Wilson or Herrera on?

LVGs subs have been mostly really poor all season, today really took the Mick tho.

Like Jones, Blackett is not good enough to play at the top level.

Cantona's Collars · 11-01-2015 08:34PM

Just had a look through the heat maps from today's game,we had nobody playing in the #10 role at all.There was a huge gap there as all our players drifted either left or right.
Di Maria was put in there but was rarely in that position,he spent a lot of time wide or a bit too deep and ended up beside Rooney.
All these players who can play as a #10 in the hole but today nobody actually was in that space,no wonder the ball kept going wide and was wasted.

Mikeyt086 · 11-01-2015 08:39PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Bringing on blackett was baffling tho. Why not go with Blind at left back and put Wilson or Herrera on?

LVGs subs have been mostly really poor all season, today really took the Mick tho.

Like Jones, Blackett is not good enough to play at the top level.

Agreed on LVG's subs, his team selection has been strange as well sometimes but we have gotten away with it.

Jones and Blackett are not good enough but I feel Smalling and Evans are also damaging. All 4 four are nowhere near the standard of actual footballer we need to play for Manchester United. All of them panic and make the most basic footballing mistakes on a constant basis.

Marcos Rojo can play the ball, and if we were to bring in an experienced, top level centre back to play with him I think all our problems would be solved. That sounds extreme but I believe that our team suffers from the nervousness and instability that the four CBs mentioned above bring to the side.

FortuneChip · 11-01-2015 08:43PM

Just saw Pogba's goal against Napoli.

Cantona's Collars · 11-01-2015 08:45PM

RVP has an ankle injury: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2015/Jan/Robin-van-Persie-sustains-ankle-injury-in-Manchester-United-defeat-to-Southampton.aspx?newsid=C2B825F1-A4DE-4BD2-8982-5212F14725C1

11-01-2015 08:53PM

Keno wrote: »

De Gea

Valencia----Jones
Smalling----Shaw
Carrick
Blind
Di Maria
Mata
Rooney
RVP

That's how we could have lined out with the team VG picked today.

That's how I presumed the team were lining out once I saw the team list before the game. Then when I tuned in about 5 minutes into the match it took me a while to figure out what the formation actually was.

Today's result was down to LVG. I hope that this is the end of 3-5-2 but fear that it is not. LVG is here to carry out a project over 3 years and maybe he is intent on continuing on trying to hammer 3-5-2 into the players, and/or maybe a bit too stubburn to abandon it yet.

VW 1 · 11-01-2015 09:08PM

keeponhurling wrote: »

I thought Blind going to left wing back and Shaw going off improved things actually

In the first half virtually nothing was created down the left

Little could be created down the left because there were no options or support for Shaw. He gets on the ball 5 yards inside the opposition half and can either come back to Blind or take on the winger and full back on his own. The midfield wasn't dynamic or mobile enough to give the adequate support. Play it inside to Rooney and he will just Hollywood it over to Valencia.

Southampton set up against our tactical formation very well and nullified most of our attacking threat from the start.

sReq | uTeK · 11-01-2015 09:19PM

stankratz wrote: »

That's how I presumed the team were lining out once I saw the team list before the game. Then when I tuned in about 5 minutes into the match it took me a while to figure out what the formation actually was.

Today's result was down to LVG. I hope that this is the end of 3-5-2 but fear that it is not. LVG is here to carry out a project over 3 years and maybe he is intent on continuing on trying to hammer 3-5-2 into the players, and/or maybe a bit too stubburn to abandon it yet.

No surprise we've played our best ball with 442

MisterAnarchy · 11-01-2015 10:01PM

gosplan wrote: »

Not saying it was all this thread or anything. Standard Englih media inspired over-rating of players.

Too right you are

The guy was being labelled an English legend ,the next Bobby Moore after only a few weeks into his Utd career .
Absolutely baffling stuff but typical of the English goldfish bowl mentality where one hack pundit coins a phrase and the entire British media run with it.

Trond · 11-01-2015 10:02PM

zerks wrote: »

RVP has an ankle injury: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2015/Jan/Robin-van-Persie-sustains-ankle-injury-in-Manchester-United-defeat-to-Southampton.aspx?newsid=C2B825F1-A4DE-4BD2-8982-5212F14725C1

That could be a blessing in disguise

MagicMarker · 11-01-2015 10:04PM

rolliepoley wrote: »

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/8666649/premier-league-sir-alex-ferguson-praises-manchester-uniteds-phil-jones

4 min

Ah, so, never then? Cool, thanks.

Strumms · 11-01-2015 10:16PM

VW 1 wrote: »

Little could be created down the left because there were no options or support for Shaw. He gets on the ball 5 yards inside the opposition half and can either come back to Blind or take on the winger and full back on his own. The midfield wasn't dynamic or mobile enough to give the adequate support. Play it inside to Rooney and he will just Hollywood it over to Valencia.

Southampton set up against our tactical formation very well and nullified most of our attacking threat from the start.

I agree 100%. There 'philosophy' seems to be get as many crosses into the box as possible. However in this system there is no support for the wide players, nobody overlapping. Southampton and our last few opponents have noted this and have doubled up on Valancia / Rafa and Shaw thus nullifying our main threat as it were. We have been slow on the uptake to change. Shaw is an excellent full back but he is not a wingback and he does not have the prowess of say a player like Evra going forward and struggles to beat his man especially two when there is no support. The defensive part of his game though is first rate.

We were too slow all over the park, although from watching Southampton you can see why they have had success, a good system, every player works his arse off when they haven't got the ball and they always keep their shape and they have a good deal of pace throughout the side. They look very fit. They 100% came to play for a draw today though, not far from parking the bus for the most part and got a little more then they deserved with that sucker punch but we certainly didn't deserve anything more then a draw for all our possession.

kingshankly · 11-01-2015 10:47PM

TheDoc wrote: »

Liverpool fans coming in here making snide comments on the money we spend on players?

Christ he's a bargain when compared to loveran

SlickRic · 11-01-2015 10:52PM

The most shocking thing from today IMO was the way Utd chased the game.

It's mental watching Utd go so direct from 15 minutes out.

11-01-2015 10:54PM

SlickRic wrote: »

The most shocking thing from today IMO was the way Utd chased the game.

It's mental watching Utd go so direct from 15 minutes out.

It's been driving me mental for years. It was creeping in by Fergie's last couple of seasons.

bucketybuck · 11-01-2015 11:03PM

Strumms wrote: »

We were too slow all over the park, although from watching Southampton you can see why they have had success, a good system, every player works his arse off when they haven't got the ball and they always keep their shape

And all that with a manager who has only been there since the summer, I guess Koeman is just better at imparting his "philosophy" :rolleyes: than Van Gaal is.

Strumms · 11-01-2015 11:12PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And all that with a manager who has only been there since the summer, I guess Koeman is just better at imparting his "philosophy" :rolleyes: than Van Gaal is.

In fairness... I think the template was set by the previous manager and is being built upon. As for United.. Watching them and being at the game today.. at times you found it hard to know what the philosophy was. Btw I'm probably not the only one who the whole philosophy thing bugs the **** out of so I'll probably stop mentioning it now.

. But FFS .. Now we have a pretty much fully fit squad let's make a decision about how we want to play, who is our best first 11 and get some points... Thanks to our recent form we have been overtaken by Southampton and now have in form Spurs and Arsenal breathing down our necks. No use in looking at the upcoming fixtures and counting on X number of points and certain games being 'gimmes' if we continue on today's vein the fixture list means SFA.

PhlegmyMoses · 11-01-2015 11:12PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And all that with a manager who has only been there since the summer, I guess Koeman is just better at imparting his "philosophy" :rolleyes: than Van Gaal is.

You may as well make your point. Do you think Van Gaal is ****? Koeman is better? Koeman in for LVG? LVG out in general?

LVG has been getting it wrong a lot lately and it is the definition of madness to keep playing the 532. But comparing him to Koeman without context is ridiculous. I would not want Koeman ahead of him.

Had we listened to these kinds of comparisons last year, we'd be seriously considering Martinez after Moyes got the chop.

MagicIRL · 11-01-2015 11:15PM

Wilson's constant presence is odd. I think a loan would serve him better, but for his first season in the first team I'm sure he doesn't mind not playing. I wonder is it Giggs' involvement that is constantly seeing the young prospect around the first team?

keeponhurling · 11-01-2015 11:20PM

MagicIRL wrote: »

Wilson's constant presence is odd. I think a loan would serve him better, but for his first season in the first team I'm sure he doesn't mind not playing. I wonder is it Giggs' involvement that is constantly seeing the young prospect around the first team?

Good point.
Now that the injuries have reduced, it might not be a bad idea to get Januzaj and Wilson out on loan.
Blackett or McNair might even benefit from it.

Maybe they could go on loan, with a recall option in the event of an injury crisis

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