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Luas Connolly status?

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  • 18-11-2014 10:06pm
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    D.L.R.
    Registered Users Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭


    Is Luas Connolly still an operational stop? I haven't seen a tram there for a long time. Its live update page has no scheduled trams either. Cheers.


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    loyatemu
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    it is, but isn't used after (I think) 8pm.


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    AngryLips
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    It would be more useful if they extended it a couple of stops further North/East/northeast


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    LXFlyer
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    Connolly stop is operational as follows, with all trams going to Citywest:

    Monday to Friday: 7:10am to 7:30pm
    Saturday: 9:05am to 6:45pm
    Sunday & Bank Holiday: 3:10pm to 7:00pm
    - See more at: http://m.luas.ie/times/operating-hours.html#sthash.XQQVOdo2.dpuf


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    GerardKeating
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    AngryLips wrote: »
    It would be more useful if they extended it a couple of stops further North/East/northeast

    Can it be extended, it kind of terminates in a brick wall..


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    Vic_08
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    GerardKeating wrote: »
    Can it be extended

    Nowhere terribly useful. Certainly nothing worth doing ahead of the various stalled or shelved projects about.

    The stop itself is barely worth keeping having significantly lower frequency than Busaras across the road. It's main function now is as a handy turnback to keep the Point branch from having to turn around all the services.

    The space (with some of the road behind taken also) would make a good site for a bus station on the cheap.


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    Pete_Cavan
    Registered Users Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    A Luas extension north from Connolly would most likely have to travel along Amien Street and North Strand Road to Fairview as other roads in the area are too narrow and lined with houses. There are no real trip generators along there either. A better alternative would be to extend from the Point to Clontarf Station via the Port and Eastpoint Business Park. This could get good passenger numbers for very little cost and provide another interchange on the network making public transport more attractive generally.


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    LXFlyer
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    Vic_08 wrote: »
    Nowhere terribly useful. Certainly nothing worth doing ahead of the various stalled or shelved projects about.

    The stop itself is barely worth keeping having significantly lower frequency than Busaras across the road. It's main function now is as a handy turnback to keep the Point branch from having to turn around all the services.

    The space (with some of the road behind taken also) would make a good site for a bus station on the cheap.

    Having Connolly open means that you can operate a higher service level between Belgard and Busarus during peak periods. The line to the Point doesn't need that level of service. When Connolly is open, trams run from Tallaght to the Point and from Citywest to Connolly. Outside of the hours that I quoted above, the Citywest branch runs as a shuttle to/from Belgard.


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    GerardKeating
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    Having Connolly open means that you can operate a higher service level between Belgard and Busarus during peak periods. The line to the Point doesn't need that level of service. When Connolly is open, trams run from Tallaght to the Point and from Citywest to Connolly. Outside of the hours that I quoted above, the Citywest branch runs as a shuttle to/from Belgard.

    the original plan for the Citywest branch was for a tri-angular junction with the tallaght line, so that the shuttle type services could run to Tallaght, but this was omitted from the final plans.


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    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,542 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    the original plan for the Citywest branch was for a tri-angular junction with the tallaght line, so that the shuttle type services could run to Tallaght, but this was omitted from the final plans.

    There is no significant need for such a service.

    Being honest the current service pattern delivers the best level of service as it prioritises the peak travel direction.


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    end of the road
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    why not shut the current connolly stop and have it out where the tracks pass to continue to the point instead? i know its used for a turnback but it would mean that connolly could continue to be served by all passing trams rather then the nonsense situation of no tram after a certain time

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    why not shut the current connolly stop and have it out where the tracks pass to continue to the point instead? i know its used for a turnback but it would mean that connolly could continue to be served by all passing trams rather then the nonsense situation of no tram after a certain time

    Because that's an active road and nearly right beside another stop (George's Dock)


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    end of the road
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    so what was the point of connolly stop then? there should be some sort of shuttle system to and from there to somewhere rather then no tram after a certain time. considering dart runs up until latish, people should be able to get a tram from connolly to at least connect to another one. the ramp which would be completely useful in an emergency meaning people could evacuate quickly was removed for it, so it should be served while trains are running. hopefully it will be re-thought.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    G_R
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so what was the point of connolly stop then? there should be some sort of shuttle system to and from there to somewhere rather then no tram after a certain time. considering dart runs up until latish, people should be able to get a tram from connolly to at least connect to another one. the ramp which would be completely useful in an emergency meaning people could evacuate quickly was removed for it, so it should be served while trains are running. hopefully it will be re-thought.

    It is literally a 45 second walk to Busaras - I reckon people will survive.


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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    so what was the point of connolly stop then? there should be some sort of shuttle system to and from there to somewhere rather then no tram after a certain time. considering dart runs up until latish, people should be able to get a tram from connolly to at least connect to another one. the ramp which would be completely useful in an emergency meaning people could evacuate quickly was removed for it, so it should be served while trains are running. hopefully it will be re-thought.

    It was the terminus of the line for quite some time, closing it would be pointless and would reduce capacity on the city centre section of the line unless extra platforms would built at further cost elsewhere.

    Its far too close to the other stops for a shuttle to be justifiable.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Grand_Rajnah wrote: »
    It is literally a 45 second walk to Busaras - I reckon people will survive.
    doesn't matter. the stop was built removing a ramp which would be useful if there was an emergency, so therefore it should be either used, or shut

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #17
    end of the road
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    L1011 wrote: »
    It was the terminus of the line for quite some time

    and its not now. so either find a way to keep trams serving it, or shut it.
    L1011 wrote: »
    closing it would be pointless

    it wouldn't seeing as people can't get a tram from there after a certain time even though trains are running. not serving it while trains are running is just as pointless.
    L1011 wrote: »
    would reduce capacity on the city centre section of the line unless extra platforms would built at further cost elsewhere.

    the cost would be worth it if they aren't going to serve connolly while trains run.
    L1011 wrote: »
    Its far too close to the other stops for a shuttle to be justifiable.

    tough. its there now, so it should be the case that trams serve it all the time from somewhere allowing a connection to the others along the way, or shut it and get people to walk to the bus station

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    doesn't matter. the stop was built removing a ramp which would be useful if there was an emergency, so therefore it should be either used, or shut

    Closing it won't put the ramp back, you know.

    Can you justify your massively high cost plans beyond just saying "tough" or the like?


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    Closing it won't put the ramp back, you know.

    did i say it would? if you bothered to read my post you would have realized what i stated, was as we removed it to implement a stop for trams to allow access from train users, it should be served while trains operate. once trains don't operate, it doesn't have to be served.
    L1011 wrote: »
    Can you justify your massively high cost plans beyond just saying "tough" or the like?

    what massively high cost plans. if a tram stop is implemented outside a train station to allow access to the tram for train users, it should be in operation while trains run from that station. once trains stop operating, the tram can stop serving it until trains resume operation. having a tram serve a stop implemented for it outside a train station means integration between both methods. there is no excuse for the current nonsense and i won't be changing my opinion no matter what you or anyone else posts.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    did i say it would? if you bothered to read my post you would have realized what i stated, was as we removed it to implement a stop for trams to allow access from train users, it should be served while trains operate. once trains don't operate, it doesn't have to be served.

    The relevance of the ramp to the current operation of the stop is nil. You are mentioning it for no explicable reason.
    end of the road wrote: »
    what massively high cost plans. if a tram stop is implemented outside a train station to allow access to the tram for train users, it should be in operation while trains run from that station. once trains stop operating, the tram can stop serving it until trains resume operation. having a tram serve a stop implemented for it outside a train station means integration between both methods. there is no excuse for the current nonsense and i won't be changing my opinion no matter what you or anyone else posts.

    Running a shuttle service for a 75 second walk, or removing a stop requiring a completely new set of turnback platforms to be built elsewhere are both massively high cost - one operational one capital.

    Saying "tough" does not justify the costs involved for what is effectively zero gain.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    The relevance of the ramp to the current operation of the stop is nil.

    i never even mentioned the ramp in relation to current operations. i said it was removed to facilitate a stop which isn't being used to its full
    L1011 wrote: »
    You are mentioning it for no explicable reason.

    bull. read above
    L1011 wrote: »
    Running a shuttle service for a 75 second walk, or removing a stop requiring a completely new set of turnback platforms to be built elsewhere are both massively high cost - one operational one capital.

    no they aren't. they will cost, but if the operator isn't bothered to serve the connolly stop to its full, then built turnbacks at a terminus stop which will be used in full.
    L1011 wrote: »
    Saying "tough" does not justify the costs involved for what is effectively zero gain.

    Saying "tough" does justify the costs involved for what is effectively a hell of a lot of gain. see, i can twist and turn like yourself to

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i never even mentioned the ramp in relation to current operations. i said it was removed to facilitate a stop which isn't being used to its full

    Yes, you did. In the very first post of yours I quoted in this thread, post 16.

    "the stop was built removing a ramp which would be useful if there was an emergency, so therefore it should be either used, or shut"

    And other times... You are trying to link the ramp to the operation of the stop, when it is irrelevant.

    end of the road wrote: »
    no they aren't. they will cost, but if the operator isn't bothered to serve the connolly stop to its full, then built turnbacks at a terminus stop which will be used in full.

    "no they aren't" isn't an answer - just like "tough". You haven't given a single actual reason why a shuttle service makes sense, or why spending money to close a stop makes sense either.

    end of the road wrote: »
    Saying "tough" does justify the costs involved for what is effectively a hell of a lot of gain. see, i can twist and turn like yourself to

    What gain? You've not shown anything.
    end of the road wrote: »
    see, i can twist and turn like yourself to

    I haven't got the slightest clue what you're trying to say here - other than, once again, showing that you don't understand that just stating something doesn't make it so. You need to at least try to explain why you think there's benefit to things.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    Yes, you did. In the very first post of yours I quoted in this thread, post 16.

    yeah, it was removed to facilitate a stop which hardly gets used. in your last post you claimed i said something else.
    L1011 wrote: »
    And other times... You are trying to link the ramp to the operation of the stop, when it is irrelevant.

    no i'm not. and i never said it was relevant apart from during the construction of the stop. again you twisted what i said in your last post to claim i said something else.
    L1011 wrote: »
    You haven't given a single actual reason why a shuttle service makes sense, or why spending money to close a stop makes sense either.

    i have
    L1011 wrote: »
    What gain? You've not shown anything.

    i have
    L1011 wrote: »
    I haven't got the slightest clue what you're trying to say here - other than, once again, showing that you don't understand that just stating something doesn't make it so.

    what are you talking about?
    L1011 wrote: »
    You need to at least try to explain why you think there's benefit to things.

    i don't need to do anything,

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    yeah, it was removed to facilitate a stop which hardly gets used. in your last post you claimed i said something else.

    Directly followed by talking about current operations. If you didn't intend to link the two, you didn't do a good job of it. As written, you are linking the ramp to current operations.
    end of the road wrote: »
    i have

    Where?
    end of the road wrote: »
    i have

    Where?
    end of the road wrote: »
    what are you talking about?

    Your incoherent ramble there.
    end of the road wrote: »
    i don't need to do anything,

    If you want to keep making claims, you do.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    Directly followed by talking about current operations. If you didn't intend to link the two, you didn't do a good job of it. As written, you are linking the ramp to current operations.

    no, not at all
    L1011 wrote: »
    Your incoherent ramble there.

    no, not at all
    L1011 wrote: »
    If you want to keep making claims, you do.

    i don't

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    i don't

    If you don't want to be called up on every single claim (and your replies show that you really, really don't like anything you state as fact being questioned), you need to make some attempt to.

    So far we've got you making two pretty much unjustifiable claims (that closing the stop is a good idea; and that a shuttle service for a 75 second walk is agood idea) and getting very very tetchy when challenged


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    If you don't want to be called up on every single claim (and your replies show that you really, really don't like anything you state as fact being questioned), you need to make some attempt to.

    attempt to what. you haven't called me out on anything, just argued nothing for the sake of it
    L1011 wrote: »
    So far we've got you making two pretty much unjustifiable claims (that closing the stop is a good idea; and that a shuttle service for a 75 second walk is agood idea)

    not unjustifiable at all. i never said a shuttle was a good idea, but just a possible suggestion out of many. infact terminating some trams there until the finish of trains but allow a connection to others along the line is a better idea.
    L1011 wrote: »
    getting very very tetchy when challenged

    no, not at all.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »
    attempt to what. you haven't called me out on anything, just argued nothing for the sake of it

    You are clearly reading a different thread at times. You're being questioned on your extremely dubious claims about the worth of closing the Connolly Luas stop and the worth of a shuttle service - and doing everything you can to not actually deal with it.

    You directly quoted these two matters immediately after your claims here, rather proving that if there's anyone trying to argue nothing it's you. You know what you're being asked, as you have all thread.
    end of the road wrote: »
    not unjustifiable at all. i never said a shuttle was a good idea, but just a possible suggestion out of many. infact terminating some trams there until the finish of trains but allow a connection to others along the line is a better idea.

    So justify it then - something you've not even tried as yet.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    You are clearly reading a different thread at times.

    no, i'm not.
    L1011 wrote: »
    You're being questioned on your extremely dubious claims about the worth of closing the Connolly Luas stop and the worth of a shuttle service - and doing everything you can to not actually deal with it.

    wrong. i have dealt with it.
    L1011 wrote: »
    You directly quoted these two matters immediately after your claims here, rather proving that if there's anyone trying to argue nothing it's you.

    proving nothing of the sort
    L1011 wrote: »
    You know what you're being asked, as you have all thread.

    and i answered it.
    L1011 wrote: »
    So justify it then - something you've not even tried as yet.

    i have

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    L1011
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    end of the road wrote: »

    wrong. i have dealt with it.

    Again, where?
    end of the road wrote: »

    proving nothing of the sort

    Back to the not reading the same content as everyone else, I see.
    end of the road wrote: »

    and i answered it.

    Where?
    end of the road wrote: »

    i have

    Again, where?

    You keep stating that you've answered something that you haven't. Just like stating something doesn't make it so, stating that you've explained something when you haven't doesn't make it so.


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,984 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    L1011 wrote: »
    Again, where?



    Back to the not reading the same content as everyone else, I see.



    Where?



    Again, where?

    You keep stating that you've answered something that you haven't. Just like stating something doesn't make it so, stating that you've explained something when you haven't doesn't make it so.
    i have answered your questions. i'm done.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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