Athiests - Who cares

Zubeneschamali · 08-01-2015 01:04PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

So believing fervently in something means that, by virtue of that belief, there is an afterlife and heaven etc? Who came back from the dead and told you this?

I think it is more that kneemos uses "x is real" to mean "the idea of x exists" for values of x which don't actually exist.

Hence "God is real" means something different from "the thumbtack on your chair, point upwards, is real".

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:06PM

Penn wrote: »

"maybe not to you" is the problem with your argument, kneemos. Something either exists, or it doesn't.

What you're actually talking about is the idea of God, and that belief in his existence makes people do stuff God related. That doesn't mean that the belief is true, it only means that the person who performs that action believes it to be true.

God may or may not exist. It's impossible to know and illogical to claim truth either way. The very nature of a god or gods is supernatural, and as such can't be measured or proven by any known natural laws (as supernatural deities would exist outside of that scope). That's why it's a belief, not a fact.

I agree with all you have said but, when the existence of God is derived from books written by people who, as you say, had no way of knowing themselves, i tend to lean on the side that their beliefs were just that, beliefs, with no evidence or proof.

Telling people that faith signifies reality is mental and, in 2015, it should be safe to regard it as mental

smash · 08-01-2015 01:08PM

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

Can you address my previous post...

smash wrote: »

Back up there... Going by that logic, Muslim extremists who murder in the name of Allah must prove the existence of Allah, therefore all other religions are worshipping a false god because obviously Allah exists.

Tar.Aldarion · 08-01-2015 01:09PM

constance tench wrote: »

Is that why Jesuits are poor and uneducated?

No, that is totally unrelated to my post. Shows a lack of understanding of society/culture as well as statistics.

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:09PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think it is more that kneemos uses "x is real" to mean "the idea of x exists" for values of x which don't actually exist.

Hence "God is real" means something different from "the thumbtack on your chair, point upwards, is real".

I see what you're saying. What a nonsensical way of looking at things!

What i find funny is if you told a religious person that you saw a UFO or unicorn, they would seek evidence and not believe you until said evidence was produced.

Religion, to me, shows the power of indoctrination on children's minds. Those children become adults and still it has a hold despite us living in an information age

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:09PM

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:11PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

Incorrect.

Baggy Trousers · 08-01-2015 01:11PM

Legend_DIT wrote: »

I am an atheist and my wife is expecting our first child. Fortunately, she is non-religious and so not getting the child baptised is something we have both agreed on.

We also had a humanist wedding - why not just go along to get along and not risk upsetting others who would like a traditional wedding/baptism? Because on important days in my life, I do not want to be lying about who I am and saying words that I do not mean. I feel there are many people in Ireland for whom religion plays no role whatsoever in their life. These people are culturally Christian who see themselves as good people but have no interest in developing a personal relationship with God or learning more about their faith (I'd love to know the proportion of Catholics who believe in literal transubstantiation!) but have never really thought about it at all and just does the church wedding, baptism, mass once a year at Christmas because it's the done thing.

Being an atheist can be difficult and some families won't accept it. I'm very lucky but I know that others have had real issues because of it.

If my child develops a real belief system that doesn't come through indoctrination at a young age, I won't be disappointed - they can believe whatever as long as they've come to it with an inquisitive mind and can respect that others do not believe the same!

I don't think I'm better for not believing and in some ways I would like to so I could hope to see departed family and friends in an afterlife.

Well done Sir. I have had a similar path.

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:12PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

No, that is totally unrelated to my post. Shows a lack of understanding of society/culture as well as statistics.

Yes, correlation is not causation.
Shows your lack of understanding of human nature.

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 01:12PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

catallus · 08-01-2015 01:13PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

And the pride which comes from their hubris in revelling in such wilful nescience only galvanises their ignorance.

Duggy747 · 08-01-2015 01:13PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

So atheists don't pay attention to string theory or quantum mechanics, then?

Fuhrer · 08-01-2015 01:13PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

So, you are saying Atheists dont believe in time?

smash · 08-01-2015 01:13PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

Catholic/Muslim etc logic : I think, therefore it is.

papu · 08-01-2015 01:14PM

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

so wrong.

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:14PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Incorrect.

You can see the sixth dimension?

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:14PM

papu wrote: »

so wrong.

Why?

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:15PM

Laughing my ass off here at some of the posts on this thread.

Yes, we can thank the various churches around the world for quantum physics and string theory!

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:17PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

And?

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:18PM

constance tench wrote: »

You can see the sixth dimension?

Do you describe your God as real or simply a theory?

kneemos · 08-01-2015 01:19PM

smash wrote: »

Can you address my previous post...

They all exist.

Tar.Aldarion · 08-01-2015 01:20PM

constance tench wrote: »

Yes, correlation is not causation.
Shows your lack of understanding of human nature.

Again your post is nothing got to do with mine, I don't think you understand it yet from what you have written.

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:20PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Laughing my ass off here at some of the posts on this thread.

Yes, we can thank the various churches around the world for quantum physics and string theory!

Close!

Monseigneur Georges Henri Joseph Édouard Lemaître, (French: [ʒɔʁʒə ləmɛtʁ] ( listen); 17 July 1894 – 20 June 1966) was a Belgian priest, astronomer and professor of physics at the French section of the Catholic University of Leuven.[1] He was the first known academic to propose the theory of the expansion of the universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble.[2][3] He was also the first to derive what is now known as Hubble's law and made the first estimation of what is now called the Hubble constant, which he published in 1927, two years before Hubble's article.[4][5][6][7] Lemaître also proposed what became known as the Big Bang theory of the origin of the Universe, which he called his "hypothesis of the primeval atom" or the "Cosmic Egg".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

The_Valeyard · 08-01-2015 01:21PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Laughing my ass off here at some of the posts on this thread.

Yes, we can thank the various churches around the world for quantum physics and string theory!

maybe not those two, but their are many other examples of how various churches have contributed and worked with science to make great progress.

Fuhrer · 08-01-2015 01:21PM

constance tench wrote: »

And?

He's saying your pathetic attempt at making a smarmy quip about Atheists lack of critical thinking was not only wholly ignorant but laughably hypocritical.

Not a hard point to pick up on really.

shruikan2553 · 08-01-2015 01:21PM

constance tench wrote: »

And?

In spacetime there are 4 dimensions. Length, width, height and time. That is more than 3

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:21PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Again your post is nothing got to do with mine, I don't think you understand it yet from what you have written.

Ah well...

constance tench · 08-01-2015 01:22PM

shruikan2553 wrote: »

In spacetime there are 4 dimensions. Length, width, height and time. That is more than 3

OK, you can see time?

smash · 08-01-2015 01:23PM

kneemos wrote: »

They all exist.

Peist2007 · 08-01-2015 01:24PM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

maybe not those two, but their are many other examples of how various churches have contributed and worked with science to make great progress.

Give me a list of the most important ones, seeing as there are many.

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