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Athiests - Who cares

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  • #152
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    kneemos wrote: »
    If they work.


    They dont.


  • #153
    shruikan2553
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    Akrasia wrote: »
    you call that logic? you have to give a reason why god is different. God is different because god is different is simply 'begging the question' and is a logical fallacy

    I know. Hence the ****ed if I know and magnets comment. I'm not the person claiming if we wish real hard anything can happen.


  • #154
    wp_rathead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,087 ✭✭✭✭wp_rathead


    If the most interesting thing about yourself is that you are an atheist.. Well... That is kinda sad..
    Dinosaurs and Harry Potter are what I talk about when drunk
    Much more cool B)


  • #155
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I'm an atheist, I don't think anyone outside my immediate family know. I have kids so its a bit different, people assumed we'd have them baptised so you have to explain why that is not the case but I wouldn't be the type to mention it unless it came up. I don't like religion but don't disrespect those who choose to believe it and follow it.


  • #156
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    kneemos wrote: »
    No I'm talking about things that exist in peoples heads that become real.

    "Become real" or "have an effect on reality"?


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  • #157
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    smash wrote: »
    Some colour-blind people might think the sky is purple. But it's not, no matter how you argue it. Even from their perspective the sky can not be declared purple because they have impairment judgement. It's not purple, it just looks purple in their head...

    It may look purple in your head, to them, it is blue.


  • #158
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    I think this thread highlights why most people are not outspoken atheists.

    Imagine the conversation with Kneemos face to face.

    He (assuming a he for simplicity) is either laughing away to himself. Or he believes totally what he's typing.

    If you're face to face with him and he's laughing then grand. It's all good. Bit weird but not mental.
    If he believes totally what he's talking about you'd be backing away slowly trying to get away from him. Most religious people I know don't have beliefs that are as weird as Kneemos but when they start talking about gods they believe in I just nod politely and leave them alone.


  • #159
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    To each their own,

    I was an atheist during my teenage years, but I grew out of it.


    People change, beliefs change, all part of life.


  • #160
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Shenshen wrote: »
    "Become real" or "have an effect on reality"?

    Real for the person and an effect on reality.


  • #161
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    kneemos wrote: »
    Real for the person and an effect on reality.
    But not real in reality. Which is different to what you were saying earlier. Entirely.


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  • #162
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    TheChizler wrote: »
    But not real in reality. Which is different to what you were saying earlier. Entirely.

    Some people may have suggested that but I haven't changed.


  • #163
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    TheChizler wrote: »
    But not real in reality. Which is different to what you were saying earlier. Entirely.

    What is real in reality?


  • #164
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    constance tench wrote: »
    It may look purple in your head, to them, it is blue.

    Go back, read my post again and reply with something that's not completely backwards.


  • #165
    constance tench
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭constance tench


    smash wrote: »
    Go back, read my post again and reply with something that's not completely backwards.

    I've read your post...


  • #166
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    kneemos wrote: »
    Because they have been killed in the name of God.If God didn't exist they wouldn't have been killed.
    kneemos wrote: »
    If something has an effect it is real.
    kneemos wrote: »
    Some people may have suggested that but I haven't changed.

    Yep.

    For future reference the first one would have been a bit clearer if you said

    Because they have been killed in the name of God.If God didn't exist in their heads they wouldn't have been killed.

    I can't think of any way to make the second one logical. I suppose for the second one it's not god that is real in that case. It is the thought of a god. The thought is real, it can have an effect. Thinking of a murderer under my bed doesnt make it real. The thought is real though and can cause an effect in reality.

    Oh fuk it. Who cares.


  • #167
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    timetogo wrote: »
    Yep.

    Don't see any difference.


  • #168
    mrsbyrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,228 ✭✭✭mrsbyrne


    AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »
    The worst kind of athiests are the ones who think because they don't belive in a god it makes them smarter than somebody who does.

    Theres an atheist around these parts who is ultra ready to produce "studies" which "prove" that atheists are smarter then people with belief.
    Frequently announces themselves as "coming first in my class for the last 3 years". Obviously people with religious belief NEVER come first LOL!
    Fine, people don't want religion shoved down their throats, you hardly ever see it now anyway. But having your beliefs ridiculed and mocked for no reason is irritating and its completely unnecessary too.
    BTW announcing your atheism does not make you "edgy" nor are you "socking it to the church" . It just makes you an atheist. As already said be you atheist naturist Satanist vegetarian smelly old hippy, try not to be a dick.


  • #169
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    To each their own,

    I was an atheist during my teenage years, but I grew out of it.


    People change, beliefs change, all part of life.

    How did you grow out of not having something?


  • #170
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    kneemos wrote: »
    Don't see any difference.

    There's the problem.


  • #171
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    timetogo wrote: »
    Yep.

    You may be taking it a bit too literally.
    I don't mean a guy in a flowing white gown is going to appear,but peoples actions prove the existence of God.


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  • #172
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Roger Hassenforder wrote: »
    I kill in the name of my god which happens to be a person with a dogs head.
    He kills in the name of his god who happens to be a turtle with elephants on his back swimming through space.
    She kills in the name of her god who happens to be a pink unicorn.

    Has this established these gods are real, of equal merit, or are they three examples of people with beliefs, none with greater merit based solely on their actions.
    If the latter, please provide an example of "God's" (or any god you choose) existence.
    If the former, time to bail

    Kneemos, I'm hanging here man
    Don't ignore me


  • #173
    Shrap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,163 ✭✭✭Shrap


    timetogo wrote: »
    Thread has gone off the rails.

    It had rails? :pac:

    Hard to derail a thread started by someone who was bored by someone else ranting in a pub and then asks us "who cares?" about the subject matter, to be fair.


  • #174
    timetogo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 990 ✭✭✭timetogo


    Shrap wrote: »
    It had rails? :pac:

    Hard to derail a thread started by someone who was bored by someone else ranting in a pub and then asks us "who cares?" about the subject matter, to be fair.

    Well, what little rails it had :D


  • #175
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,076 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    kneemos wrote: »
    You may be taking it a bit too literally.
    I don't mean a guy in a flowing white gown is going to appear,but peoples actions prove the existence of God.

    No it doesn't. It only shows that the people believe that said deity exists. It does nothing to confirm the deity actually exists.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #176
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,537 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    TheChizler wrote: »
    But not real in reality. Which is different to what you were saying earlier. Entirely.
    kneemos wrote: »
    Some people may have suggested that but I haven't changed.
    kneemos wrote: »
    You may be taking it a bit too literally.
    I don't mean a guy in a flowing white gown is going to appear,but peoples actions prove the existence of God.
    There it is again! Which is it man????


  • #177
    Saipanne
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    Atheism is just another faith position.


  • #178
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Atheism is just another faith position.

    No it isn't, it's a lack of faith / belief system.


  • #179
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,076 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Saipanne wrote: »
    Atheism is just another faith position.
    Indeed, off :P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #180
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    constance tench wrote: »
    I've read your post...

    And you got it completely backwards. See it doesn't matter if the sky looks purple in their head, it's blue and that's it. Their perception has been proven to be false.

    For theists their beliefs come from a book, which has been proven to be false through science. Going all the way back to the days of creation stated in the bible, it's all been proven false.


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  • #181
    kneemos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,277 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    SW wrote: »
    No it doesn't. It only shows that the people believe that said deity exists. It does nothing to confirm the deity actually exists.

    Of course if if that deity causes people to take a certain course of action how could it not exist?


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