Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Smith614 wrote: »

the Michael Moynihan article with Ed Coughlan in the examiner was hard reading. In fairness these lads know how to promote themselves and talk crap. Sorry but i thought it was a complete waste of space in the examiner. Fair amount of waffle in it. I heard a well known sports psychologist giving a talk recently and it was hard to believe how anyone could buy into some of the rubbish he was on about.

I went back and read it to check if I was losing the plot - total agreement with you Smith, peripheral vision in non dominant eye training my arse.

Statistics statistics and damn lies - talk about flogging it

A bit of value in fella coming back from rehab alright but other than that very self indulgent I thought - normally I think Moynihan is very good but I was scratching my head reading this one

by contrast the piece on burn out today very relevant

I read on Waterford thread where Stephen Bennett supposedly in trouble with hips again, that's cruel on a young fella

Far too many teenagers having serious knee, hip ops - now I suppose fellas can have a given weakness but a lot of these problems have to be down to too high an intensity at a young age

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2015/01/06/former-cork-selector-nolan-new-haven-boss/

Huge surprise as Mccarthy was like posted while back set to be their manager
They say he decides to change he's mind as he couldn't decide selectors. I doubt he'd have any problems finding men work with him, was it and I genuinely don't know,that's why I'm asking????but was it a Case selectors being pushed on him didn't want work with as strange as is now working with the excellent legend john Cleary at under twenty one

What happened??? Can haven following here tell us what happened
Castle have better under twenty one management than the cork senior Mccarthy awesome coach

Nolan is good in certain regards but he's nothing like Mccarthy so haven imo while talent there and be strong really doubt now can they win county
Clyda chances beating them Gone up as English imo is better than Nolan where with Mccarthy haven had tactical mastermind

As for cussen being making jump from intermediate club yes credit due but management are faulty picking him do a job he can't double
However other cork players made jump from junior and intermediate club in the past to play for Cork
Cussen shouldn't be picked just as he's from intermediate club and he's tougher journey make and it's romantic idea
You can't pick on sentiment
I see he's on the echo again tonight, another article
The only question is imo irish times or Sunday independent next, surely make national media it's just a matter of time surely at this stage
Geuinely I'm not being smart here but attention he gets just one game back as if he's cork white hope I don't agree with
He's being built up imo as if he shouldn't be dropped.
I geuinely feel for the guy as he's being built up hugely and will be expected do so much that he just won't be able to do
I think he'd make a fine fitness coach as he keeps himself good nick and imo could have coaching potential
If I was cork development squads soon john hayes retires have him involved In coaching.
He'd imo make fabulous coach
I was right when I said kissane would be good coach before he ever started.

Mcgeralit ex kerry player goaled 99 munster final coached cork senior hurlers and I had no problem as was good coach, unfortunately he was under Denis walsh so coaching fitness wise go out windows when you have poor manager team
Just watch cork minor football this year, fitness wise and bleep test there fine, problem is other side of it

Problem I have with flangnan is while he's totally professional he as tony keen said loathes cork then I worry about kerry connection.

As regards Aidan walsh brother cork double yeah I couldn't remember the name thanks
Paul must be the cousin so, handy player too at club level
Ian walsh I think twas a cruciate or leg injury. Yeah serious serious player.
Imo he's bigger than walsh but he can move and is tough in the tackle.
Place kicking poor enough but cork don't need him as a free takers but out of the hand he's an accomplished kick passer.
He always pops head up when he has the ball. Great sign looking for the off load or player in space.

Like new Zealand in rubgy there game breakers are just good as they break the tackle but unlike some like for example Downey was they break the tackle but don't look up and off load so the continuity breaks down even though hard yards are made.
Walsh win ball  but ist instinct isn't to go in to contact he's always looking to move the ball at pace and has kick passing to do it essential for any midfielder at any grade imo wanting to be successfull.
He's still needs to develop he's game but that comes down to good coaching.

Splendid article on great I mean great really great sandie fitzgoibbion in today's echo   Christ she was some athletes and also camoige player and basket ball player
I remember growing up watching her camoige In sunday game highlight camoige brilliant player
She was tough as nails
I saw her play basketball, she was brillant.
I'm not a huge basket ball fan, non contact doesn't inspire me but even when the USA terry Strickland played with Neptune burgerland at time and other men usa players were hottest things in town in basket ball I'd no real interest in them as I saw as their game they Should be great in ireland, but saw greater deal in young cork camoige player absolutely brilliant at basket ball when she was unlike the American who were well paid idols glorified in the national media imo she was true idol for me better than any does who played without pay and love of basket ball and camoige same time represented ireland also
I went see few games of her in basket ball.

I mentioned sandie before here. Great read article on her today.
And it was great Cathy landers got mention, mother seamie harnedy, she was a great great I mean really really great player now.
Real hurling to the bone, no wonder seamie is awesome.
She's very down to earth like he's father is also no airs and graces, real real gaa people.

http://www.newstalk.com/Hurling-2020-on-a-collision-course-with-the-GAA-over-refereeing

No major rule changes to refereeing of the game, so manly aspect it seems be still there so cork have to just get on with it, and change refeee protocol in county cork which they can in bring that style to country style as country style won't change now

Jbm and Daniel kearney said cork club scence must be improved and surely Christ when kearney pure hurler says cork hurling too soft it's time to wake up and change things

The proposal for overall hurling director imo is good but in line with its efforts to protect hurling in all big counties, I'm not sure one man over all provinces can sustain that and while talks reductions funding if targets are not met will make frank in cork cautious as new pairc needs funding I still don't think cork influence by director national hurling is sufficient and too late in this could be ultatiam put on in cork standards hurling dropped since 2006, and evidence last strike showed croke park for all their bluster hurling needs the game in cork, well they didn't do much imo to make sure cork were improving things and despite certainly some standards being met imo croke park turned and will continue to so a blind eye to the political mindset that is so evident in ccb as seen by Cleary over looking and that problem when comes down to management being picked ccb still answerable to know one so like development squads cork may meet required targets of others etc etc it won't matter a dime when poor poor managers over politic policy are given top jobs and every time a major cork Job is up for vacancy I hold my breath in fear we will get it spectaculary wrong.

Imo cork should have been looked at as a crying shame and yes singled out as cork was in top three hurling but is just minnow in all three level bar intermediate where it was once, no minors in fourteen years or so, under twenty one in eighteen or so, senior going on ten years and look this was all down neglect one man, Frank murphy as he had sole control on cork gaa as Secretary cork where after the drama and false promise last strike he gone was in three years, then became five and now again he's still there

Padraigh Duffy preached from top table frank would be gone in that strike end of he's term, but we'll frank went no where, and sure Duffy is a man cut in the same cloth, term up but renewed again another seven years gaa director general
These men imo think their jobs for life

If there actually serious behind the committee changing hurling despite all meeting upon meeting it should been mandated cork simply like Dublin and kerry all have director of football and Kilkenney also
Well Kilkenney be fair have one unwritten but the y had one since 98 brian Cody who has huge influence everything in Kilkenney hurling and board always gets he's input. Not said but done behind the scenes

Cork should be told wanted funding croke park, yeah well give you money but frank as soon as pairc ends it's written stone he gone, no exception upon exemption and appointment director hurling picked by croke park not the ccb and yes  be cork man like o grady and criteria is has be cork man as cork hurling must be understood
Cork hurling far far too large to not have a director of hurling
It should been recommended by committe as standards cork dropped hugely
I though cusack was on the committee.
He wasn't, looking at some names on it, sheedy some good, but there's a few yes nodding heads imo on it , not exactly lads challenge views imo

A lot of proposals but lot main issues imo ignored
As for both yellow cards you can bring man back on its a joke imo
No mention munster championship unless I missed it
What a joke if they didn't

League plays off been done away with is a bad idea and proposals to think about eight man format waste time as County then go through motions in the league and standards will drop.
Limerick will probably get excited now fair enough that one top division league Is brought back but look if you are not top six team imo don't deserve be up their
I said the same when cork were down, cork deserved be down on the  field play

When frank go?? There's the over blown myth by he's disciples pairc needs him.
If there's an electronic power cut or a tap don't work you call electrican or the plumber.
To do the books you get an account.
To answer the phone you get a secretary, well one can type do other secretial duties also

Despite this myth pairc doesn't need frank murphy run it.
As bob said cork gaa isn't owned by any one man.
Well I'm sorry now bob but imo it seems it is as frank it seems is the once voice in cork.
Accountant and a top administration can run the pairc
Get director hurling deal cork side things that run things there ways and once targets met set by independent overall hurling director croke park he's left alone
Corks director hurling answerable croke park for period time until they get their house in order then leave them be

Let board look after board matters, fixtures planning, disclpine etc. Club duties
Diarmuid o Donovan would be fine as that role once frank and old gang imo are gone
But like I said before Donovan top administration but keep him away from managing or having roles imo picking managers
Brian Cuthbert genuinely give him a role in administration top role but no where near managing teams or picking managers

Tracey Kennedy and ger lane would be great to support him also
But director hurling looks after hurling side of things soley at all level including standards club hurling that is dismal in corl currently
When football review is done cork appointment director football as clear as day cork gaa need too separate bodies fight their own corner as football is clearly seen as poor relation in cork despite preaching cork ccb gets equal status, imo it doesn't as seen by the latest debacle in senior football.

As for ed coughlan I think it's far from waffle, maybe some have not the knowledge of articulation on the subject to understand he's values, With greatest respect in he knows what he's talking about and could I think be ahead of he's time, stuff he talks about is imo innovation of thought and superb attention to detail and truly scientific
People must not be intimated by science in the game and say it's waffles , embrace it and let it lead us where no man has led us before In the gaa imo

He very rarely speak publicly to self promote himself, coughlan well versed in professional sport in England etc and maybe just maybe he reads other fellas complete imo spoofing as top coaches speaking waffle and unproven where he's totally proven and probably said to himself in my opinion I better show my worth here

He done a tremendous job in mayo and will do with dublin also
Ger cunningham obviously rates him, Donie Buckley kerry and james horan and Keith ricken, so that's good enough for me.

Also wit cit in a role he is and Aidan walsh already spoke glowing of him despite only working with him short time
Talking to people who worked with coughlan I'm told he's top top man and he's ahead of he's time If anything.

Regards non dominant eye training he's spot on as brian cocoran got help in this regard and brian mcgugian otherwise wouldn't won all ireland so yes there is huge value to dominant eye training to help players
I know one currently under twenty hurler with county who has such problems is getting such training to improve him in the game so those dispel it as waffle should imo try under stand the subject it may help them understand the science behind it then

Extract on the great I mean really really great brian cocoran from he's book every single ball on peripheral vision he's problems with it
[

I was born with a lazy right eye. It meant a lot of visits to the Eye, Ear and Throat Hospital on Western Road as a kid and having to wear these bloody thick-rimmed brown glasses with a big elastic band around the back that I absolutely detested. In the summer of ’81, we were having a family picnic in Farran Woods when a wasp got inside my glasses. I jumped up and down, trying frantically to get the glasses off, but the wasp stung me, and by the time we got to the hospital my eye had swollen to the size of a sliotar. Another day, I was hurling in the field behind our house with my brother John and our cousin John Kelleher. Just as my brother was taking a shot, I walked straight into his swing. I wondered where all the blood was coming from, then realised it was pouring from my eye. When my mother dashed to the scene, she was sure I had lost my eye. I was rushed to hospital and my eye was saved. But whether it was the wasp, walking into John’s swing or a defect from birth, I’ve had defective vision in my right eye for as long as I can remember.
I can read fine, as my left eye is 20:20. The problem begins when I have to judge distances and moving objects – problems, in other words, like tracking a sliotar flying at you at 70 miles an hour.
You often hear hurlers talk about getting their ‘eye in’. Well, it’s particularly true for me. Now, when I was a kid, getting my ‘eye in’ wasn’t a problem: I had a hurley in my hand morning, noon and night. But, as I got older, that wasn’t possible. I played Fitzgibbon Cup games when I might as well have been on a rugby field. I’ve come back from injury or a winter break and looked like a novice.
Sometimes, I got hooked or blocked because I’ve little peripheral vision in that eye. In the 1999 All Ireland semi-final, I was having a stormer when I picked up a ball and looked down the field to see who was free. But, just as I threw up the ball and swung, John Troy came up literally on my blind side, flicked it away and scored a point. To this day, I still get slagged about it. If I go back through my career, I’ve rarely got blocked or hooked off my left. But if opponents knew about my bad eye, I’d have been blocked or hooked a lot more often.
That’s why I’ve told no one.

]

Peripheral vision it's common knowledge it's huge part In the game and in sport in general and particularly in rubgy imo
Brian mcgugian Tyrone football had it after an injury in he's left eye came back won all ireland in 2008 son of frank great player that brian was also huge fan of mentioned him in he's book
Mcgugian retired shortly after over injury so peripheral vision hugely important in the game

As brian cocoran mentioned he had huge problem with it so had work on he's one etc stronger one eye
Tell him its waffle

It's well known many gaa teams do specific training drills on improving peripheral vision
Rubgy teams do it all the time
There's a coach currently in the football scence in cork I know big in to such drills
It's only nonsense imo to people with no knowledge at all about it so rather try and understand it they say it's waffle imo

Cocoran spoke he's blocked a lot on he's blind side.
Tennis players do lot coaching in that regard dominant eye vision as speed of the ball Is fast and furious and one v one you make a mistake your gone. No team to help you out
If tennis player has  right side swing and has use the left side eye as he weak right eye so left eye is dominant, is right handed when he goes hit ball, right sided hand is not seen by left eye when goes hit ball as part of he's nose blocks the full view, and you take the aim like in shooting with your dominant eye, so you won't have time to fix it swing time you loose accuracy
Tennis players do  dominant eye training all time As to improve .
I suspect golfers and cricket also in anything required hand eye coordination and possibly hockey I'd guess
This is common just ed coughlan and science taking it further.

Now hurling a faster hand eye coordination game imo deemed fastest game by some around where you have opponents up yours arse so to speak hooking and blocking you will have huge problems in hurling now unless you work on weak areas
Also every every skill technical wise is observed by top coaches now even top pundit like cusack said Aidan walsh weak left aera striking so In aera dominated by video annalise it's totally naive and ignorant not to think any weaknesses by top top coaches won't be targeted
As cocoran who I'd guess know a think or two about hurling said if back then he's weakness was known he's been blocked a lot more
Gaelic football all about space now vision is imperative also
Game has changed and will do so. You can't like some become stuck in time

Now obviously certainly coaches some counties won't speak this so called waffle like coughlan they will do Old school old school ways and thoughts and go back traditional ways like tear In the opponent and just hit the ball nonsense yet game has evolved hugely in time imo and we'll you snooze you loose.
Easy to know who winners in sport are as they had boldness. Innovativton, bravery Commitment and willingness to embrace and see through new ideas in the evolution of their teams
Those like coughlan survive like cian o neill. Jerry Wallis, mcguinness , Kinnerk, seanie Mcgrath ucc. Ger cunningham cork, David Matthews, all because at their given time they were ahead of the rest in preparation of teams where every detail is thoroughly analysised so no gaps exist in performance.
Simple really and truly at the end of the day. Just my opinion of course,coughlan doesn't do waffle of any kind , probably doesn't even have waffles with beans as waffles bad for you and a Man he's expertise knows there empty calories and he's in to he's science
I see no problem with hurling or sports going scientific if benefits the game
Seanie Mcgrath and jerry Wallis Brought new ways to cork in told lads bout hydration and not just cup water after game but more importantly drink lites day before
And how during game had sugar fruit pastilles
Players told in cork ist thing in morning check resting heart. If up even by two beats there over training etc and when had slash check colour urine, shows hydration level
I told this old fella once he said ah makes no difference A piss is a piss he said
They introduced body fat level blood testing etc
And be fair all science sport helps in one such test introduction for all health gaa players cardiovascular wise spotted a serious default in top young cork players heart and only for that could be far far more serious
Science in sport must be applauded and embraced

Well it proven since it does matter hydration wise
Just imo naive and incorrect for people make fun of what coughlan said in it actually makes sense

Cork hurling team for ul will be named today

Football named Thursday
Cuthbhert gone back to later announcements it seem
Makes no Difference but enthusiasm imo naming team so early seems wavered a bit
I hope they don't think this one change will help cork as imo they as results showed done very little with lot lot lot work to do

citykat wrote: »

TTM1 fyi Cody is no director of hurling in KK. He's too busy between work and the seniors to be telling anybody else what to do. He does dictate fixtures come championship time alright. The minor/U21 are autonomous and allowed to get on with it as they see fit.

I had a chat with one of the main men behind the development squads last year after the U21s bowed out against Wexford. I asked him where IHO it went wrong. He put it down to the players - basic lack of commitment. He said (more or less) you can talk tactics all you want but in KK the training is straightforward: lads pair off and play ball over and back to improve their touch. The game plan is then simple - win your own ball.

Fair to point but look I have seen Kilkenney training many times its myth just win your own ball
There drills are brilliant

Cody knows inside out what happening in Kilkenney and I have no doubt has huge input important matters but yes it's and correctly so down played

TTM.. Bandon V ASR is in Mallow,
Rochestown V Nenagh is in Charleville both matches 14-1 at 1.30 pm.

Hugely hugely hugely worry news cork senior football

Echo said tonight eammon murphy I rate good writer huge huge doubts all three goulding kelly and kerrigan being part cuthbhert plans come summer

Kelly he correctly goes further says vital to cork if plays he got raw deal last year

Thank god some one st least had ba##s to call spade spade regards kelly getting raw deal

Murphy ballincollig man so course he knows story kelly

Were in January huge doubts remain over three panel members yet were carrying lot passengers imo


Seriously like I'm not being harsh but this is a joke absolutely utterly a joke


He correctly said flangan will improve fitness but said tactical nous remaie seen

See like I said flangan still won't have main part this set up probably doesn't want to in too involved and he's kerry


Murphy clear as day putting question on rest management who provides tactical nous
In he said cork physically be fine but said tactical wise cork need more balance, have to be balanced and that means imo rest management got step up

Well imo none them have it with greatest respect football sense soley it's the blind leading the blind imo tactical wise


He said correctly at last hallelujah midfield serious problems and really gould likely get one start but other options up grabs

He correctly said cussen has questions marks o do it over having legs to last

I'd go further imo mindset big games he lacks

Thankfully he did mention humiliating defeats kerry and just said loss to mayo didn't say one point moral defeat loss talk

He correctly said it's vital kerrigan goulding and kelly remain in panel

He mentioned that point more than once

In January here we are and huge doubts remain over cuthbhert plans three lads

If cuthbhert hasn't kelly included or goulding etc it awful consider others being carried but if kelly and goulding just don't want be there it's just as poor reflection imo on the panel

Huge uncertainty imo now cork football

Fao Seventh

Are Ag Mhuire all set huge Friday

No injuries worries I belive
How you feeling now the game is close

Hurleratheart wrote: »

With Harty dates and venues out Id encurage anyone around to get out and support the Cork lads, twould be great to get as many tru as possible

Best of luck to AG Friday, Weather is cat I hope it wont effect the fixture

Hoping to get there but not sure - if I do I put up a few lines of a report

Totally agree


Looking ahead next week weather wise I pray god no wind mallow as ptich always hugely exposed any wind and is difficult play in

Rochestown should be delighted with charville in played there already this year know ptich

UCC Thursday 8th January

The Cork Senior Hurlers open their season with a challenge game v’s U.C.C. in the Canon O’Brien Cup at the Mardyke, Thursday, January 8th at 7:30 p.m.
Due to enforced changes in personnel through injury, both Damien Cahalane and Patrick Cronin start the game, replacing the injured Stephen McDonnell and Jamie Coughlan.
Cork Senior Hurling Team
Anthony Nash (Kanturk)
Christopher Joyce (Na Piarsaigh)
Colm Barry (Castlelyons)
Damien Cahalane (St. Finbarr’s)
Cormac Murphy (Mallow)
Lorcán McLoughlin (Kanturk)
Aidan Walsh (Kanturk)
Daniel Kearney (Sarsfields)
Patrick Cronin (Bishopstown)
Seamus Harnedy (St.Ita’s)
Bill Cooper (Youghal)
Brian Lawton (Castlemartyr)
Darren McCarthy (Ballymartle)
Paudie O’Sullivan (Cloyne)
Patrick Horgan (Glen Rovers)
Patrick Collins (Ballinhassig)
William Kearney (Sarsfields)
Sean O’Donoghue (Inniscarra)
Brian O’Sullivan (Fermoy)
Paul Haughney (Midleton)
Cian McCarthy (Sarsfields)
Stephen Moylan (Douglas)
Luke O’Farrell (Midleton)




Goes without saying you hope cork injured lads are fine but having cahalane gets second game and likely start saturday is terrific in more games he gets better

Pa cronin needs game too but no way midfield as pace is gone
Swap it, put Darren mac to half forward cooper midfield and cronin full
Bench is weak in imo in cian mac and haughey are not up to senior so like lawton shouldn't be there

Donoughue getting some amount games. Played saturday , last night cork under twenty football then sub tommorrow and likely starter starter

Hugely unlucky on coughlan who has terrible luck with injury poor lad

.E_C_K_S. wrote: »

Any UCC team for tomorrow?

Lehane and cadogan unavailable
I doubt waterford lads be allowed play in it as waterford playing load challenges
Two this week already
Can't see clare allowing o Donnell
Hopefully have strong team

I see where Paddy Kelly is back training with the footballers ....good news for once....

CORKDOUBLE wrote: »

With so much talk about burnout in the last few days young Sean O Donoughue is an example ...my god to have those commitments already in the season and its not even 10 days old ...JBM must have great time for him...i think he will be on the u21 football starting 15 as well...not to mention Freshers ..not to mention his club commitments...and all the training ...the GAA season we love it ...it can drive us mad ...but it is what it is 2 games ...

Didn't think he bed senior hurling be honest though more football but he certainly impresses saturday and landers rated him highely at minor so may make it hurling

He didn't shirk away physically side game but relished it saturday for lad just out minor

Got plenty attuide and confidence in right ways and was captain colaiste choilm all ireland croke park win

I believe all systems are go with the AG, tough challenge with Good Counsel last week. Looking forward to Friday.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Great news if true


Eammon murphy in echo had it didn't yet return training yet and huge doubts where he fits in to cuthbhert plans
Murphy is balloncollig man

Last week was said kelly wouldn't be available for any mcgrath cup

There's seemed be lot confusion and clarity

All that clearly avoided by saying there out there back certain date etc

Great if he's back in he's top player
He has to start with o rourke collins and kelly in half forward line ahead of others

I saw the piece with Eamon Murphy in the ECHO very good ....but the story about Kellys return comes from Kerryman Kieran McCarthy of the Southern Star ..he seems to get the "exclusive " story every week from Cuthbert....

How is it we have naturally talented hurlers that won't progress and move on to senior level with Cork. How is it that it seems to be who you know now. I accept parts of life are about who you know but if an average hurler is making the senior panel because of connections its wrong. Unfortunately this is happening in Cork hurling and I'm sure you can think of one or two players who we wonder why in heavens name they are even on the panel never mind the starting team. Seriously if we want to get places again we/they at the top have to address the matters nobody wants to. If your not able to do the simple things such as defend a high ball the right way and with physicality, or read a passage of play as a back or make scores from your OWN play as a forward you shouldnt be on a starting intercounty team really. These are all things basic things the greats of hurler have/had .