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Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

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  • #662
    Donnielighto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,760 ✭✭✭Donnielighto


    These issues are what arises from poor squad building, scrambling for a decent defence and shoehorning a great attacking set into poositions where they dont belong. For me rooney belongs up top as a lone strokier told to stay where he is or part of a 2 and given some freedom in that situation. Leave midfield to the midfielders, they need to be more disciplined in the way they approach the game and its management.

    I agree we need pace in attack but that can come from quick transition play. Anyway so far I wouldnt have falcao ahead of rooney.


  • #663
    Whatsisname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    Someone above said Rooney nor Falcao have the pace to turn a defender, they absolutely do. Rooney, for some reason, hasn't done it all that often in recent years but at full belt, he's a lot quicker than you'd think, remember when he burst past 3 players against City?


  • #664
    [Deleted User]
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    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Someone above said Rooney nor Falcao have the pace to turn a defender, they absolutely do. Rooney, for some reason, hasn't done it all that often in recent years but at full belt, he's a lot quicker than you'd think, remember when he burst past 3 players against City?

    One of Falcao's biggest strengths is a one on one with a defender. Doesn't work when he gets it 40 yards out with his back to goal however.


  • #665
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Someone above said Rooney nor Falcao have the pace to turn a defender, they absolutely do.

    There was a ball played in on Sunday that Falcao and the Yeovil defender had a race for, it was quite an eye opener to see that Falcao lost that race very easily. This is a guy we have to pay another €40m for, I'd be hoping for a lot more pace than that.


  • #666
    Ordinary man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭Ordinary man


    Wonder will carrick be dropping back into defence when blind is fit if lvg is to continue with the 352


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  • #667
    kryogen
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    If Blind was fit it is what we would be seeing right now imo, Carrick as the centre piece in the defence.

    I still maintain that the current formation is not the one he wants to use though, he has said so himself but given that we are missing players and having players coming back and in and out all the time it seems he feels it is the safest formation to use, I don't like it but I suppose you can't say he is not achieving his targets using it.


  • #668
    intellectual dosser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭intellectual dosser


    bucketybuck wrote: »
    There was a ball played in on Sunday that Falcao and the Yeovil defender had a race for, it was quite an eye opener to see that Falcao lost that race very easily. This is a guy we have to pay another €40m for, I'd be hoping for a lot more pace than that.

    I noticed this too, and while reading through the posts was wondering would someone mention it.

    I'm hoping its a lack of match fitness and not an overall pace deficiency - time will tell.


  • #669
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    kryogen wrote: »
    I don't like it but I suppose you can't say he is not achieving his targets using it.

    If his target is to "dominate for 90 minutes" you can.


  • #670
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,923 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kryogen wrote: »
    If Blind was fit it is what we would be seeing right now imo, Carrick as the centre piece in the defence.

    I still maintain that the current formation is not the one he wants to use though, he has said so himself but given that we are missing players and having players coming back and in and out all the time it seems he feels it is the safest formation to use, I don't like it but I suppose you can't say he is not achieving his targets using it.

    I'm not sure, I feel the team could be doing slightly better than just in the top 4 by 3 points.


  • #671
    KH25
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,182 ✭✭✭KH25


    kryogen wrote: »
    If Blind was fit it is what we would be seeing right now imo, Carrick as the centre piece in the defence.

    I still maintain that the current formation is not the one he wants to use though, he has said so himself but given that we are missing players and having players coming back and in and out all the time it seems he feels it is the safest formation to use, I don't like it but I suppose you can't say he is not achieving his targets using it.

    I reckon if we have a consistently fit 11 we'll see 4-3-3. He clearly doesn't want to use young and val as out and out fb's. If we could keep the likes of Jones shaw and raf fit I think we would play 4 at the back.


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  • #672
    Lovely Bloke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,748 ✭✭✭✭Lovely Bloke


    Will I Amnt wrote: »
    If his target is to "dominate for 90 minutes" you can.

    it clearly isn't the target though, the target will be to go deep in the FA Cup and get back into the CL.

    Step 1 of that is done and dusted, through to the next round, and in fairness, Cambridge won't be up to much either, plus comfortably in 3rd in the league and an automatic spot in the CL.

    I'd say a tilt at the title wasn't a target this season, but will be next.

    An FA Cup win (or semi final exit vs Chelsea/City, or loss in the final to either) and CL qualification would be a great first season, and they are on target for that


  • #673
    bangkok
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    falcao never had lightning pace ever in his career, he was just a deadly in the box. he is not going to start getting fast now.


  • #674
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    bangkok wrote: »
    falcao never had lightning pace ever in his career, he was just a deadly in the box. he is not going to start getting fast now.

    Then we don't need to spend €40m+ on a fox in the box.


  • #675
    Will I Amnt
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    Baldy Conscience wrote: »
    it clearly isn't the target though, the target will be to go deep in the FA Cup and get back into the CL.

    Step 1 of that is done and dusted, through to the next round, and in fairness, Cambridge won't be up to much either, plus comfortably in 3rd in the league and an automatic spot in the CL.

    I'd say a tilt at the title wasn't a target this season, but will be next.

    An FA Cup win (or semi final exit vs Chelsea/City, or loss in the final to either) and CL qualification would be a great first season, and they are on target for that

    It's his own personal target to be dominating games from start to finish, he's said it numerous times and he's not happy with how that's going.


  • #676
    bangkok
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    bucketybuck wrote: »
    Then we don't need to spend €40m+ on a fox in the box.

    see in april/may and then decide, too early to judge yet, he could bang in 20 goals between now and then


  • #677
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    bangkok wrote: »
    see in april/may and then decide, too early to judge yet, he could bang in 20 goals between now and then

    Play Rooney up front and he will bang in 20 goals, and we already own him...


  • #678
    homerjay2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,346 ✭✭✭✭homerjay2005


    some papers are running with Gundagon links...for f*ck sake, why on earth would we sign a player with a career threatening injury who has played about 10 games, since May 2013.

    either the reports are total rubbish or theres somebody with a screw lose in the club, i assume its the former as opposed to the latter.


  • #679
    Elliott Ugly Owl
    Posts: 27,583 ✭✭✭✭ Elliott Ugly Owl


    Whatsisname wrote: »
    Someone above said Rooney nor Falcao have the pace to turn a defender, they absolutely do. Rooney, for some reason, hasn't done it all that often in recent years but at full belt, he's a lot quicker than you'd think, remember when he burst past 3 players against City?

    Rooney did the same for the goal on the break against Arsenal in the 2-1 win from what I can remember


  • #680
    Spazdarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,986 ✭✭✭Spazdarn


    M!Ck^ wrote: »
    Rooney did the same for the goal on the break against Arsenal in the 2-1 win from what I can remember

    Remember reading that Rooney had clocked up faster top speeds that Di Maria at some stage this year... so he's deceptively quick, would have thought Di Maria would have burned him for pace... maybe with the ball at his feet.


  • #681
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    some papers are running with Gundagon links...for f*ck sake, why on earth would we sign a player with a career threatening injury who has played about 10 games, since May 2013.

    either the reports are total rubbish or theres somebody with a screw lose in the club, i assume its the former as opposed to the latter.

    Some media outlets are just copy/pasting stories from the last 24 months. We're only a few days in so I think we'll have to take a breath really, cause we're going to be linked with every player under the sun this month....


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  • #682
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,902 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    it actually irritates me that clubs that need to sign players, don't seem to try get it done as soon as possible.

    You can be certain there will be bids made in the last week or so - why not have these deals pretty much done now? Get whomever you need in as soon as possible.


  • #683
    Michael D Not Higgins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,223 ✭✭✭Michael D Not Higgins


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    it actually irritates me that clubs that need to sign players, don't seem to try get it done as soon as possible.

    You can be certain there will be bids made in the last week or so - why not have these deals pretty much done now? Get whomever you need in as soon as possible.

    I wonder if agents are at fault for this, waiting to make deals in the last week to ensure panic from clubs to pay over the odds.


  • #684
    bangkok
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    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    it actually irritates me that clubs that need to sign players, don't seem to try get it done as soon as possible.

    You can be certain there will be bids made in the last week or so - why not have these deals pretty much done now? Get whomever you need in as soon as possible.

    well the simple answer is the selling club doesn't want to sell in January and the player doesn't really push for a move


  • #685
    Lord TSC
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,995 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    If Falcao doesn't work, maybe we can let him go, offload Rooney and RVP, and enter the race for Messi :pac:


  • #686
    Rayne Wooney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,134 ✭✭✭✭Rayne Wooney


    Strootman's lasted a half without breaking down, some nice touches so far


  • #687
    Dayum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 687 ✭✭✭Dayum


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    If Falcao doesn't work, maybe we can let him go, offload Rooney and RVP, and enter the race for Messi :pac:

    Falcao should be gone at the end of the season if his current performances are any indication. Maybe Real Madrid would take him seeing as he's so keen on them.

    If Rooney was to throw another tantrum I'd let him go too but not to another premiership team. Off to PSG....Colleen would fit right in on the Champs-Elysees.

    Who would take RVP at this stage of his career?


  • #688
    thelad95
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    If Falcao continues to perform how he is doing now there is no way we should be shelling out ~50million for him, especially with Chicharito to potentially return.


  • #689
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Dayum wrote: »
    Who would take RVP at this stage of his career?

    You taking the piss?


  • #690
    bangkok
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,638 ✭✭✭✭bangkok


    thelad95 wrote: »
    If Falcao continues to perform how he is doing now there is no way we should be shelling out ~50million for him, especially with Chicharito to potentially return.

    he is being sold regardless if we keep falcao or not


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  • #691
    paulbok
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    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    Originally Posted by Dayum viewpost.gif
    Who would take RVP at this stage of his career?

    You taking the piss?


    Liverpool would have him in a heartbeat. With Stevie slip sliding away at the end of the season, they'll have no 'star' players next year.


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