Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Read Mod Warning in OP 7/1/15

bucketybuck · 02-01-2015 10:07AM

TheDoc wrote: »

After seeing the results of the Christmas schedule, I don't know if our results were good, or a total missed opportunity.

The dropped points over christmas were always going to happen given the actual performances we had been putting in. Fact is we have continued to be pretty poor for a few months now but got away with it to an extent. We were rubbish against the likes of Arsenal and Liverpool, and that Southampton game was a bloody disgrace. I really enjoyed the Newcastle game, but the games against Spurs and Villa were more of the same.

Its a results business and so the unbeaten run was welcome, but I was never impressed with performances at all, and its no real surprise that we stopped getting away with it.

RobertKK · 02-01-2015 10:30AM

Lots of room for improvement, 9 off the lead, some strange results all round in the league. Our draw with Spurs was made look good with the Chelsea result, Stoke are a decent enough team and we did face problems with them at Old Trafford.
Villa should have been beaten, but overall it is a mixture of missed opportunities and keeping the confidence by not getting beaten.

Maybe a new signing or two will help out, too many injuries so far which has affected formation and a settled team.

FutureGuy · 02-01-2015 10:34AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Lots of room for improvement, 9 off the lead, some strange results all round in the league. Our draw with Spurs was made look good with the Chelsea result, Stoke are a decent enough team and we did face problems with them at Old Trafford.
Villa should have been beaten, but overall it is a mixture of missed opportunities and keeping the confidence by not getting beaten.

Maybe a new signing or two will help out, too many injuries so far which has affected formation and a settled team.

The only game I was disappointed with was Villa. A point at Spurs and Stoke is not the worst.

Cantona's Collars · 02-01-2015 10:35AM

TheDoc wrote: »

Falcao again yesterday...he grew into it, but there is something horribly poor about him receiving the ball back to goal. Perhaps its just rustyness/match fitness related, but he just constantly seems to loose the ball.

Hopefully it is just match fitness related, took his goal well, and would like to see him hit the ground running for the rest of the season. Has been by far my biggest disappointment of the season so far.

There seems to be a problem in our moving of the ball from back to front,far too often we saw the ball going back then knocked long for the likes of Falcao to battle with defenders for it.When the ball was moved through midfield,the first instinct of Rooney and to a lesser extent Mata/Herrera was to get it wide.Carrick was also guilty of it but to a lesser extent due to his deeper role.Time & again we saw RVP & Falcao calling for the ball in good positions only to be ignored as the ball was knocked wide.
We all laud Rooney as having a great football brain but I wish he'd use it to play another ball other than float it wide on the diagonal,our 2 strikers run around making space only to see the ball head to the wings and then they are left waiting for a cross that seems to hardly ever come to them.

02-01-2015 10:55AM

I'm not sure why Falcao should be the one coming back to receive the ball with Rooney, Mata and even RVP there. Just not playing to his strengths at all. You can see when he gets a run at a defender he causes huge problems.

Cantona's Collars · 02-01-2015 11:06AM

Liam O wrote: »

I'm not sure why Falcao should be the one coming back to receive the ball with Rooney, Mata and even RVP there. Just not playing to his strengths at all. You can see when he gets a run at a defender he causes huge problems.

Didn't LVG hint at the fact the defenders aren't doing what he worked on in training,he likes the ball played out but our lads seem clueless and hit it long or else gve us heart attacks by messing around with it at the back before going back to De Gea.
Last season we had a gap between the strikers and midfield,now this gap is further back,it's grand when Carrick gets the ball but when the 3 behind him are needed to move the ball forward it's comedy capers at best.

Spazdarn · 02-01-2015 11:07AM

If you use two strikers of Falcao and RVP's ability you'll need pretty impressive wingers to supply them and give them the service they need. Seeing as we don't really have that, I feel we were missing Di Maria's ability to dribble with the ball, add a directness to what seemed like just holding onto possession aimlessly at times.

02-01-2015 11:18AM

zerks wrote: »

Didn't LVG hint at the fact the defenders aren't doing what he worked on in training,he likes the ball played out but our lads seem clueless and hit it long or else gve us heart attacks by messing around with it at the back before going back to De Gea.
Last season we had a gap between the strikers and midfield,now this gap is further back,it's grand when Carrick gets the ball but when the 3 behind him are needed to move the ball forward it's comedy capers at best.

I don't know, Evans is still playing it out and I haven't noticed Jones overly playing it long either. I guess with McNair, Smalling and the others maybe that could be a problem I think the problem at the back has been that there is 3 defenders rather than 5 which is how he played it at the WC. Yesterday Shaw looked a bit lost as he was asked to play the winger role which leaves defence short but wasn't used to it. I just want a return to 2 of Evans/Jones/Smalling and Rojo when fit with Raf and Shaw as a 4 at the back. I'd play Mata inside left and Di Maria inside right. This means that Rooney (though I'd prefer Herrera as Carrick/Blind's partner in the middle) can still play it wide and the strikers can still get supply from out wide.

GSPfan · 02-01-2015 11:25AM

I rarely post anymore but i'm completely annoyed by the passing aspect of Uniteds performances. The passing is awful and gutless.

To try describe the type of thing i am talking about is hard but the ball goes from right/left wing back to centre back to goal keeper to lump forward way too much. I'm sure someone with a better brain can tell me why this happens but i'd guess it's our lack of support on the wings. In years gone by we had a left back over lapping a winger which either creates opportunities to pass or advance forward but thats gone with the 532 formation. I'm not sure if it would be fixed with the 433 which we all think will happen eventually but something has to happen.

Formations aside there is ample opportunites for passes to go to the feet of players in between the midfield and back line of the opposition but our defenders and wing backs are too worried about losing possession that they don't make the pass and we end up being pressured into rolling it back to De Gea to lump a 50/50 ball back to the area where the defender could have played the original pass. That annoys me so much.

GSPfan · 02-01-2015 11:33AM

On another issue, I think we could sell RVP Fellaini and Mata and use the money and squad space to buy another Di Maria type player who gives us pace in wide areas and another strong midfield player. I don't think trying to accomodate RVP, Rooney, Mata, Falcao is working at all. It works sometimes due to the fact they are all good players but its a mess most games.

Backstreet Moyes · 02-01-2015 11:56AM

Evans is a complete confidence player and right now he looks totally off the pace. I think we badly need a defender. Jones thinks he is a battering ram he just charges at players giving away stupid frees. A defender is badly needed as is getting a bit of sense and taking Rooney out of midfield.

KH25 · 02-01-2015 12:06PM

Any transfer news lads?

Copper_pipe · 02-01-2015 12:07PM

KH25 wrote: »

Any transfer news lads?

Nick Powell called back from his loan deal

The Moldy Gowl · 02-01-2015 12:10PM

KH25 wrote: »

Any transfer news lads?

Window doesn't open until tomorrow, even then, it's a weekend so I wouldn't hold my breath on hearing anything on a weekend.

KH25 · 02-01-2015 12:11PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Window doesn't open until tomorrow, even then, it's a weekend so I wouldn't hold my breath on hearing anything on a weekend.

Ah my mistake I thought it opened on the 1st!

The Moldy Gowl · 02-01-2015 12:12PM

KH25 wrote: »

Ah my mistake I thought it opened on the 1st!

Probably because it was a bank holiday?

No idea why it dosent open until the 3rd or today.

Anyone know why?

homerjay2005 · 02-01-2015 12:19PM

GSPfan wrote: »

The passing is awful and gutless.

very simple reason for this and its down to buying very limited, but hard working players. the likes of Jones, Fellaini and more are just not technially good enough to play for the club, but offer other qualitys that are needed in the league.

keeponhurling · 02-01-2015 12:35PM

DM_7 wrote: »

Smalling was needed back there today for height more than anything.

I hope not.
Beaten by Crouch for the "penalty", beaten by Crouch for the one that hit the post.

keeponhurling · 02-01-2015 12:37PM

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Nick Powell called back from his loan deal

Is this cause he wasn't getting games on loan or what ?

Surely he won't be getting a run in the first team

KH25 · 02-01-2015 12:37PM

We missed Fellaini yesterday especially at set pieces. He would have dealt with crouch well.

MagicIRL · 02-01-2015 12:43PM

KH25 wrote: »

We missed Fellaini yesterday especially at set pieces. He would have dealt with crouch well.

Would've dropped him with The People's Elbow in the opening 2mins and set the tone for the game. War Fellaini!

homerjay2005 · 02-01-2015 12:50PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Window doesn't open until tomorrow, even then, it's a weekend so I wouldn't hold my breath on hearing anything on a weekend.

if we are signing anybody, it wont come until the end of the month and to be honest, im not expecting anybody in.

a few loans out plus Anderson perhaps, but apart from that unless we get a few more injuries to our defenders, nobody will be coming in.

Strumms · 02-01-2015 12:52PM

I hope we get in a couple of players in this window and ideally ship a couple out. Fletcher and Evans need to be shown the door. Fletcher is a shadow of his former self since his illness and I'd imagine would drop down the leagues like a stone if released. Sad to say it because I always liked him as a player and as a person he always came across well in interviews and was 100% committed to United. Evans... well the guy hasn't made any progress in the last 3 years at all, he is still only 26 and I just get the impression he is pulling a paycheck and lording it up in the red shirt. A complete liability of late.

I'd love another good all round semi-experienced center back along the lines of Vertonghan or Hummels. They could partner Rojo and also would see how far Jones and Smalling might want to push them to get in the first team. This has imho been part of the problem where you have these guys in their early 20s still supposedly learning and developing yet when not injured are almost certain to play every week as the only competition is Blackett and McNnair effectively. Want to also see a technically all round midfield player along the lines of Pogba or Koke.

Backstreet Moyes · 02-01-2015 01:07PM

Strumms wrote: »

I hope we get in a couple of players in this window and ideally ship a couple out. Fletcher and Evans need to be shown the door. Fletcher is a shadow of his former self since his illness and I'd imagine would drop down the leagues like a stone if released. Sad to say it because I always liked him as a player and as a person he always came across well in interviews and was 100% committed to United. Evans... well the guy hasn't made any progress in the last 3 years at all, he is still only 26 and I just get the impression he is pulling a paycheck and lording it up in the red shirt. A complete liability of late.

I'd love another good all round semi-experienced center back along the lines of Vertonghan or Hummels. They could partner Rojo and also would see how far Jones and Smalling might want to push them to get in the first team. This has imho been part of the problem where you have these guys in their early 20s still supposedly learning and developing yet when not injured are almost certain to play every week as the only competition is Blackett and McNnair effectively. Want to also see a technically all round midfield player along the lines of Pogba or Koke.

That is just a load of crap in fairness. Evans has performed very well the last few seasons but he has has been poor this season. He looks to be struggling playing in a back 3 and his confidence is shot.

How you can say he is happy pulling a paycheck i wonder based on what exactly. All the reports of his bad attitude and problems off the field. The lad is short on confidence to say he is pulling a paycheck is up their with the biggest rubbish i have read on here.

Nalz · 02-01-2015 01:10PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

a few loans out plus Anderson perhaps, but apart from that unless we get a few more injuries to our defenders, nobody will be coming in.

who's gonna take him? Most likely back to Brazil?

Fuhrer · 02-01-2015 01:36PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

That is just a load of crap in fairness. Evans has performed very well the last few seasons but he has has been poor this season. He looks to be struggling playing in a back 3 and his confidence is shot.

How you can say he is happy pulling a paycheck i wonder based on what exactly. All the reports of his bad attitude and problems off the field. The lad is short on confidence to say he is pulling a paycheck is up their with the biggest rubbish i have read on here.

He cant play in the back 3 at all, the amount of times you see him on the ball stopping and throwing his arms up because he cant find a pass.

Strumms · 02-01-2015 01:54PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

That is just a load of crap in fairness. Evans has performed very well the last few seasons but he has has been poor this season. He looks to be struggling playing in a back 3 and his confidence is shot.

How you can say he is happy pulling a paycheck i wonder based on what exactly. All the reports of his bad attitude and problems off the field. The lad is short on confidence to say he is pulling a paycheck is up their with the biggest rubbish i have read on here.

He might be short on confidence but he seems to be like he is short on effort on the field and short on performance also whatever is going on elsewhere I don't know. How long does one keep selecting a player who is systematically a liability based on the fact that ' ohh he is a confidence player '. THAT is a load of crap. If he cannot adapt to playing 3 at the back, if he is not that flexible then ship him out and bring in someone who can do it. Evan's has played left back for NI on many occasions so he should be used to the requirement for flexibility in the modern game.

It's a performance based sport and if you haven't produced on a consistent bases for going on 2-3 seasons then you should be worried. Although Evans doesn't really look that worried to me which might be part of the problem.

Backstreet Moyes · 02-01-2015 01:59PM

Strumms wrote: »

He might be short on confidence but he seems to be like he is short on effort on the field and short on performance also whatever is going on elsewhere I don't know. How long does one keep selecting a player who is systematically a liability based on the fact that ' ohh he is a confidence player '. THAT is a load of crap. If he cannot adapt to playing 3 at the back, if he is not that flexible then ship him out and bring in someone who can do it. Evan's has played left back for NI on many occasions so he should be used to the requirement for flexibility in the modern game.

It's a performance based sport and if you haven't produced on a consistent bases for going on 2-3 seasons then you should be worried. Although Evans doesn't really look that worried to me which might be part of the problem.

Show me one piece of evidence that Evans is just picking up a paycheck or else yes you are talking nonsense.

Strumms · 02-01-2015 02:05PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Show me one piece of evidence that Evans is just picking up a paycheck or else yes you are talking nonsense.

Evidence ? such as... Do you watch him play for Man Utd ? We are talking about the same Evans right ? I offer his big **** off paycheck, in return he delivers sub standard performances week after week, cant pass, seems to have lost a yard, poor positional sense and his body language would not inspire you that he gives a great deal of a monkey's about all that. Guy is 26 and not the player he was at 23. Now unless you want a signed statement from the player himself that might have to do you...

kippy · 02-01-2015 02:11PM

In fairness, every singly player out there (for every club) is "just picking up a paycheque".
Very few of them actually earn or deserve the obscene amounts they are getting.

In relation to the effort the players are putting in, I don't particularly think that any of that United squad are "sitting back" and not putting in the effort. In a game like soccer and at the highest level that kind of behavior is very easily exposed.
If the charge being leveled at him is that he ain't good enough at this level, fair enough, he probably isn't.

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