Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The Moldy Gowl · 31-12-2014 02:16PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

There's also the fact that Rafael almost guarantees a yellow every game, and also the added fear of a red.

Coleman is definitely better.

Ah the discipline nugget .

No, he dosent. Regardless , Coleman is better at this time.

Gits_bone · 31-12-2014 02:17PM

PP are the scurge of betting sites.

Can't they stick to giving shítty odds and not honouring their bets instead of trying to be comedians.

Spazdarn · 31-12-2014 02:21PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Ah the discipline nugget .

No, he dosent. Regardless , Coleman is better at this time.

No he does.

UnitedIrishman · 31-12-2014 02:22PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

There's also the fact that Rafael almost guarantees a yellow every game, and also the added fear of a red.

Coleman is definitely better.

Serious case of Deja Vu at the min..

Anyways, Rafael has been red carded I think once in the last two and a half years. Would you consider Ivanovic one of the best RB's in the league or world even?

RobertKK · 31-12-2014 02:29PM

Squawka shows Ivanovic is the best and then Coleman and lastly Rafael in that trio.
I like Coleman for a few reasons, I think he adds a bigger threat when attacking compared to Rafael.
He is good defensively and I would like an Irish player playing at a top club again.

ScummyMan · 31-12-2014 02:30PM

Coleman is miles better than Rafael at every aspect of his game. I want Rafael to come good as much as anyone, but the reality is that he can't stay fit, and can be a liability even when he is. Coleman is in the Top 5 RBs in the world, we'd be mad not to go for him.

Unearthly · 31-12-2014 02:35PM

20 million for Coleman? Yes that will do

Will I Amnt · 31-12-2014 02:37PM

Rafael doesn't have a string of red cards to his name but he is rash, I don't think there's any disputing that.
In fairness to him, he does be disciplined enough not to pick up the second yellow.

Billy86 · 31-12-2014 02:38PM

Liam O wrote: »

I like Rafael but Coleman is on another level. His output is outrageous for a RB and isn't a bad defender either.

That's the thing though, he's not really all that great defensively and as a result Everton have never asked him to defend much for them. As we have seen with Valencia/Young, Louis wants his fullbacks to be good defensively or else he whips out the 3-5-2.

Not saying I wouldn't be happy to get him (though my main issue would be his transfer fee) but he sometimes gets overrated a lot on boards.

Billy86 · 31-12-2014 02:42PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

There's also the fact that Rafael almost guarantees a yellow every game, and also the added fear of a red.

Coleman is definitely better.

In the last 3.5 seasons for us he has 22 yellow and one reds in just under 100 appearances. By your logic Shola Ameobi "almost guaranteed a goal" every time he stepped on the pitch for Newcastle.

31-12-2014 02:46PM

Thoughts on the match tomorrow? Going to be another really tough game for Utd tomorrow, tbh I can see Stoke nicking it or a draw being most likely. Good thing is Utd haven't conceded more than one goal in a game for ages now, but at times away from home for me Utd just don't look like scoring goals.

31-12-2014 02:49PM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

As do twát and çunt but people can still act as both.

What about 'axe wound', that's one from where I come from?

RobertKK · 31-12-2014 03:28PM

Bryson Delightful Ruler wrote: »

Thoughts on the match tomorrow? Going to be another really tough game for Utd tomorrow, tbh I can see Stoke nicking it or a draw being most likely. Good thing is Utd haven't conceded more than one goal in a game for ages now, but at times away from home for me Utd just don't look like scoring goals.

Stoke at home is always a tough game as you say, combining with our away form...a draw or a win.
Hopefully Begovic is not on top form like Hugo Lloris was the last day, United need to be far more clinical in finishing off chances too.
The stats though are far more positive for United away to Stoke than they are with Spurs away.
We lost there under Moyes last season, but before that we had three wins and a draw.

I will go for a win by one goal.

Headshot · 31-12-2014 03:38PM

I have a bad feeling about the Stoke game. They'll have 11 men behind the ball and kicking the opposition

Backstreet Moyes · 31-12-2014 03:49PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

No he does.

Except your talking sh!te he averages a yellow every 4.5 games. No need make up things to back up your story.

Kerrydude1981 · 31-12-2014 03:49PM

Headshot wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about the Stoke game. They'll have 11 men behind the ball and kicking the opposition

Charlie Adam going around acting the hard man.

Backstreet Moyes · 31-12-2014 03:50PM

Headshot wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about the Stoke game. They'll have 11 men behind the ball and kicking the opposition

Have you watched Stoke in recent years. They don't put 11 men behind the ball they scored 4 against arsenal and attacked Chelsea.

Also besides Adam they don't hack down players that much these days.

Backstreet Moyes · 31-12-2014 03:52PM

Billy86 wrote: »

That's the thing though, he's not really all that great defensively and as a result Everton have never asked him to defend much for them. As we have seen with Valencia/Young, Louis wants his fullbacks to be good defensively or else he whips out the 3-5-2.

Not saying I wouldn't be happy to get him (though my main issue would be his transfer fee) but he sometimes gets overrated a lot on boards.

Like i said Coleman is a bit overrated. He has shown for Ireland when his main job is to defend that he is nothing special at defending. He also has a fairly good strike rate for own goals.

Himself and Rafael are both great going forward but Rafael can;t stay fit so i would be happy with Coleman.

31-12-2014 03:58PM

Headshot wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about the Stoke game. They'll have 11 men behind the ball and kicking the opposition

I don't think that's fair at all, they try to play a bit of football these days. Obviously that is constrained somewhat by the quality of their players, but they aren't an ultra-defensive team anymore.

Billy86 · 31-12-2014 04:20PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Like i said Coleman is a bit overrated. He has shown for Ireland when his main job is to defend that he is nothing special at defending. He also has a fairly good strike rate for own goals.

Himself and Rafael are both great going forward but Rafael can;t stay fit so i would be happy with Coleman.

Yeah the fitness issue has become a major one at this point, just have to chuckle though when I see some people claim Coleman is this unbelievable player without holes in his game while also claiming Rafael is some kind of liability who (in terms of ability, not fitness) is not up to it. Wouldn't doubt for a second with many of them that if Coleman were Brazilian and Rafael Irish that their opinions wouldn't be the same.

Personally I would have RB maybe third on the list of priorities behind CM and CB. We do need extra there of course, but I would take a top end CM and CB with a good RB to compete for the spot over Coleman, and top class CM/CB and the other CM/CB being more of a Blind/Rojo type signing, if that makes sense?

phenom · 31-12-2014 04:30PM

Bryson Delightful Ruler wrote: »

I don't think that's fair at all, they try to play a bit of football these days. Obviously that is constrained somewhat by the quality of their players, but they aren't an ultra-defensive team anymore.

I can't see it being any other way other than a defensive style of play with counter attacking their game plan, we have a strong attacking line , one of the best in the league, our problems is our defence and at that we still haven't seen our strongest defence line yet with the players we have due to injuries.

Without question I would be looking for United to buy a quality holding midfielder in January ,

Right Turn Clyde · 31-12-2014 04:36PM

Headshot wrote: »

I have a bad feeling about the Stoke game. They'll have 11 men behind the ball and kicking the opposition

Very lazy. You obviously haven't seen Stoke play lately. Fair enough, they're not an attacking force, but they're not the Stoke of old, and Mark Hughes will fancy having a go at United's makeshift defence.

Spazdarn · 31-12-2014 04:44PM

Nuts102 wrote: »

Except your talking sh!te he averages a yellow every 4.5 games. No need make up things to back up your story.

That's more than enough for the amount of minutes he spends on the pitch!!

Will I Amnt · 31-12-2014 04:45PM

Right Turn Clyde wrote: »

Very lazy. You obviously haven't seen Stoke play lately. Fair enough, they're not an attacking force, but they're not the Stoke of old, and Mark Hughes will fancy having a go at United's makeshift defence.

I don't care what way Stoke play, a team with possibly Shawcross, Adam, Huth, N'Zonzi and Bardsley in it is one to be concerned about.

Pro. F · 31-12-2014 04:48PM

Kirby wrote: »

Wonder if Pro.F is watching the game. The "best DM in the league" is getting the run around at the moment.

First of all, I didn't say that Britton is the best DM, I said that he has been the best DM over the last few years. Whether he gets back to that level, returning from half a season off with a knee injury at his age, remains to be seen.

On the game on Monday, yes I was watching it. Britton played well even though he was having to do so much work covering for Shelvey's lazy ass. Maybe if you had paid more attention, instead of posting on boards during the game, you would have seen that for yourself.

Vic Vinegar · 31-12-2014 04:53PM

phenom wrote: »

Without question I would be looking for United to buy a quality holding midfielder in January ,

We have two already. I'd be wanting us to sign a box to box type if we were signing a midfielder.

RB and CB has to be priority though IMO.

The Moldy Gowl · 31-12-2014 04:53PM

Spazdarn wrote: »

That's more than enough for the amount of minutes he spends on the pitch!!

But that stat is per minutes on the pitch?

He is hardly getting yellows when he isn't playing.

Right Turn Clyde · 31-12-2014 04:55PM

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I don't care what way Stoke play, a team with possibly Shawcross, Adam, Huth, N'Zonzi and Bardsley in it is one to be concerned about.

Every team in the league has players that we should be concerned about, but that doesn't justify attributing to them a style of play that is not theirs. Stoke City, at this moment in time, are not an overtly defensive team, especially when facing the so-called 'big teams'.

FutureGuy · 31-12-2014 04:57PM

I love Rafael but Coleman is a better player by a considerable distance. Sorry.

If we're shelling 30 for Shaw, an equivalent figure for Coleman would be the least we can expect.

Lucas Hood · 31-12-2014 04:59PM

FutureGuy wrote: »

I love Rafael but Coleman is a better player by a considerable distance. Sorry.

If we're shelling 30 for Shaw, an equivalent figure for Coleman would be the least we can expect.

Shaw is homegrown that always adds on extra.

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