Women's Rights in Islam - UPDATED WITH MOD INSTRUCTION IN FIRST POST

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

I dont think there are many Muslim women in Board or at least some that are active on this forum however I will direct you to a massage made by a number of western Muslim women discussing the Niqab and not even the Hijab from their perspective.

I am not interested in what brainwashed women think of being captives.

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

Funny enough I think the only person brainwashed her is yourself and no disrespected intended. You have been made to assume that a Hijab is a sign of oppression rather then modesty and when presented with examples of Muslim women who are living in the west meaning!!! that no one is forcing them to wear it! you claim that they are brainwashed without even listening to them.

We should also remember that millions of muslim women don't wear the head covering too.

Burqa Causes Vitamin Deficiency in Ireland...
MUSLIM women who wear the burqa in Ireland are at increased risk of pelvic fractures during childbirth because of vitamin D deficiency due to a lack of sunlight, a consultant warns.

Babies born to women with vitamin D deficiency are also more prone to seizures in their first week of life, according to Dr Miriam Casey, of the Osteoporosis Unit in St James’s hospital in Dublin.

A burqa is an enveloping outer garment worn by some Muslim women. In hot countries, enough sunlight gets through to give them sufficient vitamin D, but this may not happen in countries where there is limited sunshine, such as Ireland and Britain.

Casey said she was aware of cases involving pelvic fractures, and warned that these could become more frequent as Ireland’s Muslim population increased. “Ireland’s temperate climate doesn’t have the intense sunlight that keeps burqa-clad women from becoming vitamin D-deficient in their own countries,” she said.
Vitamin D helps the body to absorb calcium and is crucial for making bones strong. The greatest source is sunlight.

Casey said the fractures occur at sites of particular weakness which develop in under-mineralised pelvic bones. In these women's babies, low calcium can cause “serious complications such as seizures, growth retardation, muscle weakness and fractures”.
“As a toddler, carrying the weight of the torso can force the development of a bow-legged appearance and a waddling gait,” she said. “Later, there can be rickets, which is caused by vitamin D deficiency, with swollen wrists and bones that fail to fuse in adolescence.”

Darker skins can produce as little as 1% of the vitamin D that fair skins produce. Moreover, studies have found that the rate of many diseases rises the further north one moves, leading researchers to suspect that vitamin D may play a greater role in health than previously thought.
Casey said: “As we see a rise in the number of Muslims in Ireland, it’s going to become a massive problem. It’s worse in England whose Muslim community is older. There are already problems in the Rotunda [a maternity hospital in Dublin] and the paediatric hospitals.”
A spokeswoman for the Islamic community in Ireland said she was unaware of health problems suffered by women wearing burqas.

Last year, Muslim women in the UK were warned that wearing the hijab could cause poor health for them and their babies. A UK government spokesman said: “We are not interfering in a Muslim woman’s right to wear the hijab, but we are stressing that we all need sunlight on our skins.”

muslimstudent wrote: »

Sufficient natural light enters through the glazing.

Muslim women do not wear the hijab indoors or in their gardens or courtyards.

Sufficient natural light through glazing? How long have you lived in Ireland?

muslimstudent wrote: »

Sufficient natural light enters through the glazing.

Muslim women do not wear the hijab indoors or in their gardens or courtyards.

HAHA it would want to be some glazing in this country for that haha I think we are going to get snow soooooooon burrrrrrrrrrrr lol

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

You haven't answered the question, are those people brainwashed to wear the item of clothing you listed? & not seeing Nuns these days doesnt exactly answer the question as to why they dress that way.


A Muslim women wears the Hijab because first and foremost GOD ordered her to do so, I dont think you realized this yet.

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof.." Qur'an 24:31




He mentioned how Muslim women do not wear the Hijab in the garden or indoor also encase you are unaware Vitamin D can be supplemented easily.

You obviously don't realise that nuns these days mostly dress in ordinary clothes...

Nuns freely choose their careers, so they are certainly not brainwashed. As for Amish women and Orthodox women who wear wigs, brainwashed would certainly describe it.

Can you cite where in the Qur'an where it says that women have to cover themselves from head to toe in a sheet? And how do you know it's God who told them?

Yes, he mentioned indoors or the garden; I'm still waiting for his answer as to how long he's been living in Ireland. He clearly doesn't know the Irish climate very well...

Sure, Vitamin D can be supplemented; so that's ok, women can just cover themselves up and take tablets. Perfect solution.

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

So I take it according to you, that any person who disregard his freedom and chooses to follow what God has ordered him to do is brainwashed?


And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof (face and palms) ; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.


Because the Verse is in the Qur'an and we believe that it's the word of God.


Muslim women do not wear the Hijab in the garden or indoor.

Someone who misreads an exhortation about modesty to mean covering your hair with a wig or wearing old fashioned clothes IS, in my opinion, brainwashed.

Veils? Slaves? This is 2014.

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

And how did you arrive at the conclusion that someone misread something here?

The design of the hijab.... where does it originate from? is it arabian? like what civilisation? just wondering.

Stheno wrote: »

I think tbh that you are overly focussed on the more extreme interpretations of Islam tbh.

My doctor is a Muslim (from Lebanon which appears to be of a less extreme type of Islam) She is extremely highly educated, runs her own business, has her family, dresses quite fashionably and wears a headscarf if she is expecting to have her female patients bring in their partners.

She and I over the years have discussed the more extreme interpretations of Islam that are out there and she has little time for them, but is very happy to be a Muslim, often I'll mention Ramadan etc if I see her when it's on.

Oh, I know many Muslims who don't take such extreme accounts. My neighbour is a Muslim doctor, and I've never seen her wearing any kind of hijab. And when I taught in the UK there were many Muslim girls who wore the same clothes as everyone else.

My point is that just like Christianity, there are varied interpretations of Islam. Most Christians accept that the Bible has to be contextualised, and that we don't have to take everything literally. Muslims will admit that there are different interpretations, but insist that since the Qur'an is the direct word of God, it is not open to interpretation. Which is illogical. I just want to get them to admit that they DO interpret...

Stheno wrote: »

I would imagine each different "branch" of Islam so to speak would have their own interpretation with the Wahhabi (Sp) and Sharia variant being the most harsh, and others being less so.

You can hardly have all of the differerent branches of Islam in agreement otherwise they would not exist. It's like regular Jews and Hasidics, same basic Torah but very different teaching

Not in agreement, but acknowledging that they are interpreting the scripture in their own way.

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

What design are you talking about? since the design did vary significantly through the Islamic history, however I dont think there's a specific design as long as it comply with the ruling of the Hijab.

Ahaaaa ok, i was just wondering about the origin of its design, what people it comes from and do you know if the colours mean anything? some are very colourful and others just dark black?