Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

~Rebel~ · 28-12-2014 02:04PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't but the fact is you get far more chances to score in Holland. Lots of players like Kuyt for example scored goals for fun in the Dutch league but couldn't do the same in better leagues. Looking at the number of goals he scored is quite simplistic. Even though he scored all those goals his chance conversion was pretty bad at Ajax. Before he became prolific for Liverpool a huge number of stats websites did article on how he had never been a clinical finisher in his career despite the number of goal he scored in Holland.

It's true that his chance conversion wasn't actually amazing - which is incredible in and of itself. The other guys you mention, like Kuyt, or the likes of Afonso Alves finished their chances. It's almost a better indication of how much more dominant Suarez was than them by seeing the sheer number of chances he got himself - his chance conversion wasn't great and yet he still had an incredible goals to games ratio.

Suarez with Ajax simply dominated games single handedly, he was completely unbelieveable - physically and technically just on a completely different level to everyone else on the pitch.

JohnDaniels · 28-12-2014 02:17PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

It's true that his chance conversion wasn't actually amazing - which is incredible in and of itself. The other guys you mention, like Kuyt, or the likes of Afonso Alves finished their chances. It's almost a better indication of how much more dominant Suarez was than them by seeing the sheer number of chances he got himself - his chance conversion wasn't great and yet he still had an incredible goals to games ratio.

Suarez with Ajax simply dominated games single handedly, he was completely unbelieveable - physically and technically just on a completely different level to everyone else on the pitch.

I'm not arguing with any of that. The post I originally replied to was saying his level of finishing dropped from his time at Ajax. It remained though at a similar level, he just didn't get as many chances in the premier league. It was only when his chance conversion rate improved and he became clinical in front of goal for the first time in his career over a long period that he scored similar amounts of goals to his days with Ajax. At that point he was a far superior player though to his Dutch days even if only due to now adding being clinical with his chances to his repertoire.

5live · 28-12-2014 02:31PM

brevity wrote: »

Looks like Shaqiri is off to Juve.

https://twitter.com/honigstein/status/549192760331620353

And Martin Montoya joining from Barcelona too supposedly.

rossie1977 · 28-12-2014 02:41PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I didn't say it wasn't but the fact is you get far more chances to score in Holland. Lots of players like Kuyt for example scored goals for fun in the Dutch league but couldn't do the same in better leagues.

suarez scored 81 goals in 110 league games in holland, kuyt scored 122 goals in 261 games in holland. rafa anyway played kuyt as a right winger not a striker so its an apples and oranges comparison

suarez has 43 in 82 games for uruguay while cavani has 24 in 69 playing for the same team over the exact same time period

~Rebel~ · 28-12-2014 02:47PM

JohnDaniels wrote: »

I'm not arguing with any of that. The post I originally replied to was saying his level of finishing dropped from his time at Ajax. It remained though at a similar level, he just didn't get as many chances in the premier league. It was only when his chance conversion rate improved and he became clinical in front of goal for the first time in his career over a long period that he scored similar amounts of goals to his days with Ajax. At that point he was a far superior player though to his Dutch days even if only due to now adding being clinical with his chances to his repertoire.

Fair point.

On the topic of another goalscorer, any thoughts on this Saido Mane story - that we were in for him until our mathematician chap Ian Graham decided the numbers didn't add up. This is a Duncan Castles story though, so dollop of salt required.

Has a lot of attributes that would have suited us down to the ground though, and is scoring goals now.

SuperTortoise · 28-12-2014 03:28PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

defensive coach.

We've gotten away with it so far though, and the more time he's on the pitch the better - so long as its Sakho covering him at LCB instead of Lovren.

I think that shows how good Sakho has been, he's been defending the left side almost entirely by himself in the last few games, would like to see Moreno play at LWB and shift Markovic further up he really is a liability defending.

Augmerson · 28-12-2014 04:11PM

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

28-12-2014 04:23PM

Augmerson wrote: »

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

Link please

Can't find anything.

Turtyturd · 28-12-2014 04:28PM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

I think that shows how good Sakho has been, he's been defending the left side almost entirely by himself in the last few games, would like to see Moreno play at LWB and shift Markovic further up he really is a liability defending.

Moreno at LWB, Markovic in goal, no harm done.

NukaCola · 28-12-2014 04:42PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Moreno at LWB, Markovic in goal, no harm done.

We play with 11 men, other teams play with 10 men and a goalkeeper.

mosstin · 28-12-2014 04:49PM

Konchesky off. Phew - one less worry for New Year's Day.

Augmerson · 28-12-2014 04:51PM

Augeo wrote: »

Link please
Can't find anything.

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

livinginkorea · 28-12-2014 04:55PM

With all the draws today we have a great chance to make up some ground tomorrow...hopefully Brendan will get the lads in the right frame of mind.

mosstin · 28-12-2014 05:01PM

livinginkorea wrote: »

With all the draws today we have a great chance to make up some ground tomorrow...hopefully Brendan will get the lads in the right frame of mind.

Arsenal didn't draw.

klose · 28-12-2014 05:08PM

Apparently this guy has been spot on anytime he gets team news, whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/damianlfcpl/status/549240182332215296

Definately a team id be excited to see

livinginkorea · 28-12-2014 05:08PM

mosstin wrote: »

Arsenal didn't draw.

There's always one!

8-10 · 28-12-2014 05:11PM

klose wrote: »

Apparently this guy has been spot on anytime he gets team news, whoever he is.

https://twitter.com/damianlfcpl/status/54924018233221529
Definately a team id be excited to see

Back to 4-4-2 presumably. Would be good to see Can play the 90

Harry Palmr · 28-12-2014 05:12PM

I'll actually post the starting 11 shall I?

Mignolet – Emre Can, Škrtel, Sakho – Manquillo, Henderson, Lucas, Moreno – Lallana, Coutinho, Sterling.

That set up or rather the players chosen the play the system looks rather better like that.

Gits_bone · 28-12-2014 05:13PM

Quality team. Would expect 2 goal victory.

klose · 28-12-2014 05:14PM

8-10 wrote: »

Back to 4-4-2 presumably. Would be good to see Can play the 90

Could be 3 at the back wit emre rcb and manquillo/moreno as wing backs. Hopefully its correct in any case whatever the formation.

mav79 · 28-12-2014 05:15PM

That team looks as solid as we have defensively, but I'm still not convinced with Lallana, Couthino and Sterling as a front three.

Agent Coulson · 28-12-2014 05:17PM

That team can switch systems quiet easy with those players. 3-4-3 to 4-3-3 to 4-4-2

NukaCola · 28-12-2014 05:26PM

Lallana has been really poor in this system. Goes missing far too often.

Harry Palmr · 28-12-2014 05:26PM

Which system?

NukaCola · 28-12-2014 05:34PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Which system?

3-4-2-1 or the one with the WB's

Hangballlouie · 28-12-2014 05:44PM

One of the great joys of my football supporting life right now is that the Ev are struggling worse than us. Hopefully their form continues for the rest of the season.

Grayditch · 28-12-2014 05:54PM

I don't really mind Everton.

jcsoulinger · 28-12-2014 06:10PM

Grayditch wrote: »

I don't really mind Everton.

Who's Everton?

~Rebel~ · 28-12-2014 06:12PM

Augmerson wrote: »

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

Within that very piece:

"However, Liverpool have since denied the report, according to Sky Sports."

Really don't think it's happening...

28-12-2014 06:29PM

Augmerson wrote: »

I was 1 million off the price of Origi in at January.

Some times if you spout enough bull**** some of it will come true :pac:

Augmerson wrote: »

http://www.thisisanfield.com/2014/12/report-liverpool-agree-deal-bring-divock-origi-anfield-january/

According to that you'll have to keep spouting bullsh1t as that looks to be a non article

Totally senseless bringing him to Anfield in Jan for €6 million.

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