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Went off the road last night

  • 28-12-2014 9:07am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭


    The recovery service must have been very busy last night because I couldn't get through; so, the van is still there.

    The engine was acting really strangely like vibrating intensely and lack of power which must have taken my attention off the road. I'm wondering if there was petrol put into the diesel tank...it was the guy in the petrol station that filled it.

    Luckily I don't think there is much damage....

    I'm going to call the recovery truck but do I need to get the guards or someone to take a look incase the "petrol station" owner has to pay for it?

    Thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭Greenmachine


    Was any private property damaged?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,066 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    If wrong fuel was put in, petrol station possibly could be liable for it, but I honestly can't see how petrol station could be liable for you ending off the road.
    \


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭BigCon


    Could the "vibration and lack of power" be the tyres failing to get traction on the ice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭euser1984


    Was any private property damaged?

    Yes, just a fence though.
    BigCon wrote: »
    Could the "vibration and lack of power" be the tyres failing to get traction on the ice?

    No, it was going on for a long time before that. The whole car was vibrating when it was at about idle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭Mech1


    Sounds a bit like Traction Control trying to sort the road conditions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    what speed were u doing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 656 ✭✭✭christy02


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Yes, just a fence though.



    No, it was going on for a long time before that. The whole car was vibrating when it was at about idle.

    I have put petrol in diesel tank couple times before (i know I don't learn!) On all occasions I have put about 6-10 euros in before realising and then topped up with diesel. Not so much as a cough any of the times.
    If he filled it with petrol then you would have noticed when paying as would have been more expensive?
    Anyway if he filled then probably wouldn't run at all.

    Sorry about your accident btw.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    Was there a reason that you didn't think of calling the guards at the time of the accident?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭Mar4ix


    If you have receipt, you could see what fuel went in to your van. how far did you drive after filling station ?

    Vibration could be caused by number reasons, .. bulge on tyre, bad dual mass clutch, bad timing (skipped timingbelt) , also one of number sensors went faulty , snapped conrod (seen myself in action) ... and number other reasons could make vibration .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    roadsmart wrote: »
    Was there a reason that you didn't think of calling the guards at the time of the accident?

    There is always one. :rolleyes:

    Maybe you should change your username to smartAr$e :D


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    vectra wrote: »
    There is always one. :rolleyes:

    Maybe you should change your username to smartAr$e :D

    What do you find objectionable in my question?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭GTDolanator


    roadsmart wrote: »
    What do you find objectionable in my question?

    The OP never mentioned being injured and the only fatality was a fence post!

    Why the hell would he call the gaurds!?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    The OP never mentioned being injured and the only fatality was a fence post!

    Why the hell would he call the gaurds!?

    He just asked should he call them now, so why wouldn't he think of calling them then? It's an accident, what's the problem? They could have arranged for a tow at the time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    It could be a tyre bulge. I had that once and the car vibrated like crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭euser1984


    Please don't answer this vectra. I would like to keep this on topic as it's an important issue. I haven't called the recovery man yet.

    So, are people here saying that it's unlikely the petrol caused the problem?
    It was nearly empty of diesel and was just filled up in the garage. I noticed the power draining and it was chugging (like the clutch was not controlled properly or one of those new drivers not using the clutch properly and violently throwing the car forward and back) a lot.

    I first noticed it in 5th gear and then switched down to 4th which made it ok for 20 secs or so. I put it back into fifth then and same problem. I changed to fourth and the problem was in every gear then.

    The car idle went down to below what it normally is also when starting....maybe something to do with the cold weather?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    euser1984 wrote: »

    So, are people here saying that it's unlikely the petrol caused the problem?
    It was nearly empty of diesel and was just filled up in the garage. I noticed the power draining and it was chugging (like the clutch was not controlled properly or one of those new drivers not using the clutch properly and violently throwing the car forward and back) a lot.

    Did you confirm that there was actually petrol in the tank?


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    Were you eating toast?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Please don't answer this vectra.

    Why not?

    Did you get a bang on the head or something?
    You must have clicked why the question was asked about why did you not call the Gaurds last night.

    Just wondering with all this questioning about the garage filling with petrol.
    Did it dawn on you to take off the diesel cap and have a good whiff of what might be in the tank?
    Petrol does smell different to diesel.

    I am sure if there were a significant amount put in you would smell it.

    Also I am assuming as today is Sunday you are probably off work,

    I can only also assume you were low on diesel last night and so put some in ( or petrol)

    If you were that low on diesel and put even €20 in I can only imagine your engine would have stopped long before you had the off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭visual


    Crashing is your own fault. You damaged someone's property so you should inform the garda. Although I doubt the fence owner will come after you, but they are entitled to be reimbursed for damage to fence.

    Call tow truck you need to recover van anyway.
    Get your mechanic to check out van if there is petrol in it you will have to follow up with garage for engine.damage repair but not the crash.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    The OP never mentioned being injured and the only fatality was a fence post!

    Why the hell would he call the gaurds!?

    AFAIK any crash has to be reported to the Gardai and your insurance company, even if you are not claiming.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,313 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Any strange fuels in yourself at the time op?
    just a question that i reckon the guards would ask.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    roadsmart wrote: »
    Was there a reason that you didn't think of calling the guards at the time of the accident?

    What a completely pointless post. There is no necessity to call the Gardai unless there is a personal injury.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Del2005 wrote: »
    AFAIK any crash has to be reported to the Gardai and your insurance company, even if you are not claiming.

    Says who?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Please don't answer this vectra. I would like to keep this on topic as it's an important issue. I haven't called the recovery man yet.

    So, are people here saying that it's unlikely the petrol caused the problem?
    It was nearly empty of diesel and was just filled up in the garage. I noticed the power draining and it was chugging (like the clutch was not controlled properly or one of those new drivers not using the clutch properly and violently throwing the car forward and back) a lot.

    I first noticed it in 5th gear and then switched down to 4th which made it ok for 20 secs or so. I put it back into fifth then and same problem. I changed to fourth and the problem was in every gear then.

    The car idle went down to below what it normally is also when starting....maybe something to do with the cold weather?

    If the van was nearly empty and was filled with petrol it wouldn't have got far from the pumps, once the clean diesel in the pipes was used the van would have stopped. Could be badly washed diesel that caused the problem with the van but regardless of what was put in the tank it has nothing to do with you driving into the fence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    euser1984 wrote: »
    The recovery service must have been very busy last night because I couldn't get through; so, the van is still there.

    The engine was acting really strangely like vibrating intensely and lack of power which must have taken my attention off the road. I'm wondering if there was petrol put into the diesel tank...it was the guy in the petrol station that filled it.

    Luckily I don't think there is much damage....

    I'm going to call the recovery truck but do I need to get the guards or someone to take a look incase the "petrol station" owner has to pay for it?

    Thanks.

    ~ Was the check-engine light on for any time before this happened?
    ~ Would the spark-plugs be an issue here with the lack of power... ?

    Similar happened to me before with my last car and just about made it home before an uncle drove his car before-me up to the garage incase mine cut out. Mechanic changed spark-plugs and car all good again afterwards.

    Engine light was on that car for years too btw! Not long after this incident I went off and bought a new car for myself. That incident didn't help my nerves at all.

    Just a random suggestion not mentioned above (maybe for good reason though) :)
    Hope you are okay OP,
    kerry4sam


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 ✭✭kenmccarthy


    Bottom line is.........whether you put diesel -petrol-jagermeister or avonmore supermilk into the tank it didn't cause you to crash into fence. Tyre bulge is like suspect for symptoms described but it could be any number of things


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,489 ✭✭✭sh1tstirrer


    This has to be a windup surely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,560 ✭✭✭porsche boy


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    ~ Was the check-engine light on for any time before this happened?
    ~ Would the spark-plugs be an issue here with the lack of power... ?

    Similar happened to me before with my last car and just about made it home before an uncle drove his car before-me up to the garage incase mine cut out. Mechanic changed spark-plugs and car all good again afterwards.

    Engine light was on that car for years too btw! Not long after this incident I went off and bought a new car for myself. That incident didn't help my nerves at all.

    Just a random suggestion not mentioned above (maybe for good reason though) :)
    Hope you are okay OP,
    kerry4sam

    It's a diesel, spark plugs not included.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    I know it's Christmas and I'm a wee bit hazy but I'm struggling to join the dots from the engine running rough to the van running into a fence.


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I know it's Christmas and I'm a wee bit hazy but I'm struggling to join the dots from the engine running rough to the van running into a fence.

    The op said the engine running rough caused him not to pay attention to the road


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    euser1984 wrote: »
    Please don't answer this vectra. I would like to keep this on topic

    Vectra was sticking up for you FFS


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Del2005 wrote: »
    AFAIK any crash has to be reported to the Gardai and your insurance company, even if you are not claiming.
    Says who?

    Say the infallible, prim and proper concerned citizens that rather bizarrely seem to populate the Motors Forum, unlike any other, in great numbers.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    I know it's Christmas and I'm a wee bit hazy but I'm struggling to join the dots from the engine running rough to the van running into a fence.

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,754 ✭✭✭degsie


    So, the op had some operational problems with his car/van, panicked a little and crashed into a fence. The first thing he could think of is apportioning the blame on someone else. Am I missing something?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    Jesus. wrote: »
    Say the infallible, prim and proper concerned citizens that rather bizarrely seem to populate the Motors Forum, unlike any other, in great numbers.

    What do they expect the cops to do?
    These things should be sorted out privately.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,720 ✭✭✭Hal1


    Another case of jesus take the wheel. Yep, be careful out there.
    5385914+_acace96c10a69e82230d7b8118cb9409.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Gosh, I wonder if winter tyres are any use........................


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Says who?

    The law

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/motor_accidents.html

    And have a read of your policy documents.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 294 ✭✭Breffnigolfer


    Del2005 wrote: »

    From your link
    If someone is injured the Gardaí should be contacted
    Which is what I posted.

    In the OP's incident it was not necessary, or obligatory, to call them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,621 ✭✭✭✭vectra


    Del2005 wrote: »

    Have you rang them after having an accident?
    The first thing they ask is "Was anyone injured"
    If "No"
    Then they will tell you sort it yourself.
    They wont come out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    I know it's Christmas and I'm a wee bit hazy but I'm struggling to join the dots from the engine running rough to the van running into a fence.

    Someone else must be to blame, they just have to be. No way would the OP crash unless someone else did something to make him. This is an important point. Someone else caused this. Alright? And it's only a fence that got damaged - so no big deal. The person who owns the fence is immaterial in all this. You need to focus on pinning the blame on the "bad" fuel.


  • Registered Users Posts: 349 ✭✭deathtocaptcha


    wild accusations there from OP assuming (without any evidence whatsoever) that someone put the wrong type of fuel in to his car and that directly caused him to go off the road...

    it's only right we also get to make wild accusations... my guess is OP was speeding and failed to call guards or recovery truck because he was scared they'd breathalyze and or report him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    euser1984 wrote: »
    The recovery service must have been very busy last night because I couldn't get through; so, the van is still there.

    The engine was acting really strangely like vibrating intensely and lack of power which must have taken my attention off the road. I'm wondering if there was petrol put into the diesel tank...it was the guy in the petrol station that filled it.

    Luckily I don't think there is much damage....

    I'm going to call the recovery truck but do I need to get the guards or someone to take a look incase the "petrol station" owner has to pay for it?

    Thanks.

    Engines go wrong now and again - most people pull in off the road

    f**king scary the first thing you did was ram it into the nearest fence post and go looking for someone to blame


    maybe you have a bit of a seizure or something - dunno wasn't there & not a medical pro.

    euser1984 wrote: »
    Hi,
    I have a number of neurological issues including epilepsy, depression, cognitive abilities and I'm also blessed with aspergers.

    Many of my conditions have only been diagnosed in the last few years although I have been trying to treat one for years.

    At the moment about 6 years for depression.
    Nearly two and a half years for epilepsy.
    Cognitive functioning issues are about three and a half.
    ............................

    After two adjustments of Effexor in recent times (I might just say that I have had excellent results with this one) I am now going to be most likely looking at adding Risperdal next month which I look forward to.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81756692


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    vectra wrote: »
    Have you rang them after having an accident?
    The first thing they ask is "Was anyone injured"
    If "No"
    Then they will tell you sort it yourself.
    They wont come out.

    You still have to report it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,071 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    From your link
    Which is what I posted.

    In the OP's incident it was not necessary, or obligatory, to call them.

    He caused injury to the fence and his own vehicle he has to report it.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1961/en/act/pub/0024/sec0106.html#zza24y1961s106


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Del2005 wrote: »
    You still have to report it.

    I know people regularly plough yokes through one or other of my fences, and as I toil away fixing the resulting pita hole, usually in the p1ssing rain/cold I always chuckled to myself happily reassuring myself that the damage to their bumper is much more important and that I am being childish whinging about the cost of new rails and posts that actually match what was there from PDM and the hassle of going to get them.

    How often has someone come in to say "Sorry, I mashed your fence there because I was going too hard around that sharp bend"? Once. And I said "Don't worry about it, sure no-one else does.."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,116 ✭✭✭Mech1


    Im still thinking nothing wrong with vehicle, traction control fighting the road and the driver, therefore causing vibrations, then it just couldnt control the big nut behind the wheel enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    Gosh, I wonder if winter tyres are any use........................

    Drove from Rathangan to Navan early this morning. Did winter tyres keep me from going off the road? No, sensible driving kept me on the road.

    Not at all needed here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    Mycroft H wrote: »
    Drove from Rathangan to Navan early this morning. Did winter tyres keep me from going off the road? No, sensible driving kept me on the road.

    Not at all needed here.

    Fair play to you. I drove from edenderry to Newbridge and everyone was crawling along at 40kph, slipping and sliding. I just trundled along behind, no slipping or sliding. The back roads in to where we live are literally skating rinks right now. I have to go out again at 6.30 this evening to go gritting truck-parks, I have a quiet feeling that I will be mighty, mighty glad of me winters at that stage. :) But each to their own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,718 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    As regards the petrol-in-a-diesel-car thing, I've been in a diesel car which was filled with petrol (more or less, I don't know if it was completely empty or was just topped up from half) which was driven from just outside Dublin to north Cork :eek:

    I swear I was nowhere near the petrol pump :D

    We stopped once about five minutes after the petrol fill, and then started the car up again (for the second time) and drove all the way to Cork. Nothing different about how the car drove the whole way. Needless to say, when we tried to start it a third time, it wasn't having any of it!

    But a diesel car will drive with petrol in it.


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