Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

Trond · 23-12-2014 01:34PM

I don't see Pogba moving for anything under 50million. I think City go after him at some point, Probably to replace Toure.

I thought they'd have to cash in on Vidal in order to secure him for another few years (which they managed anyway).

Blatter · 23-12-2014 01:46PM

Pro. F wrote: »

How much support would the idea of playing Di Maria from a deep central position have gotten before he started to play centrally, in any form, for Madrid?

Another example you could use to support your point is how many people would have considered it in any way viable to play Philip Lahm as a DM 2 years ago?

Or Stewart Downing as a #10 this season?

Not many.

Pro. F · 23-12-2014 01:49PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

How much support would playing Wayne Rooney at the World Cup have gotten if he'd actually been a pub landlord?

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. Or maybe it doesn't make sense.

What I'm saying is that a lot of fans who discuss football (maybe the majority of posters in this forum) are overly concerned with observing the decisions succesful managers make and then shaping their own opinions to match. This makes defending opinions easier, but it also inhibits genuine insight.

The idea of Di Maria being useful in the team when playing centrally is now commonly accepted on this thread. But if anybody had suggested it a few years ago, before he started getting games there for his club, it would not have been well received.

Your Airbag · 23-12-2014 01:51PM

Pro. F wrote: »

How much support would the idea of playing Di Maria from a deep central position have gotten before he started to play centrally, in any form, for Madrid?

Ok, so if we imagine a ficticious scenario where Di Maria never played centrally for Madrid ever that would improve your point a little.

Unfortunatley Di Maria did play centrally for Madrid and was a star there so I have no interest in discussing make believe scenarios with you.

Kirby · 23-12-2014 01:52PM

Pro. F wrote: »

What I'm saying is that a lot of fans who discuss football (maybe the majority of posters in this forum) are overly concerned with observing the decisions succesful managers make and then shaping their own opinions to match. This makes defending opinions easier, but it also inhibits genuine insight.

The idea of Di Maria being useful in the team when playing centrally is now commonly accepted on this thread. But if anybody had suggested it a few years ago, before he started getting games there for his club, it would not have been well received.

That's a good point.

But don't go overboard with it. There is a danger that thinking like that can excuse ridiculous idea's and opinions under the guise of being an unconventional genius.

"Oh it's an out of the box idea!" Sometimes it's just plain stupid and wrong.

Gits_bone · 23-12-2014 01:53PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ok, so if we imagine a ficticious scenario where Di Maria never played centrally for Madrid ever that would improve your point a little.

Unfortunatley Di Maria did play centrally for Madrid and was a star there so I have no interest in discussing make believe scenarios with you.

He said before he started playing centrally.

Pro. F · 23-12-2014 01:54PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ok, so if we imagine a ficticious scenario where Di Maria never played centrally for Madrid ever that would improve your point a little.

Unfortunatley Di Maria did play centrally for Madrid and was a star there so I have no interest in discussing make believe scenarios with you.

Fùcking hell. Talk about making heavy work out of a simple point.

Maximus Alexander · 23-12-2014 02:01PM

Pro. F wrote: »

What I'm saying is that a lot of fans who discuss football (maybe the majority of posters in this forum) are overly concerned with observing the decisions succesful managers make and then shaping their own opinions to match. This makes defending opinions easier, but it also inhibits genuine insight.

The idea of Di Maria being useful in the team when playing centrally is now commonly accepted on this thread. But if anybody had suggested it a few years ago, before he started getting games there for his club, it would not have been well received.

Fair enough. My response would effectively be what Kirby has written above then.

Giggsy11 · 23-12-2014 02:01PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ok, so if we imagine a ficticious scenario where Di Maria never played centrally for Madrid ever that would improve your point a little.

Unfortunatley Di Maria did play centrally for Madrid and was a star there so I have no interest in discussing make believe scenarios with you.

This looks like a reply for just a sake of disagreeing with him. His point was simple and clear.

Pro. F · 23-12-2014 02:06PM

Kirby wrote: »

That's a good point.

But don't go overboard with it. There is a danger that thinking like that can excuse ridiculous idea's and opinions under the guise of being an unconventional genius.

"Oh it's an out of the box idea!" Sometimes it's just plain stupid and wrong.

What's the danger, that we'll be overrun with people with uncovpnventional ideas? Not much chance of that I think. The vast majority of opinions expressed in this thread are shared by large numbers of other posters. As long as each idea is supported by a logical argument I wouldn't worry.

brinty · 23-12-2014 02:06PM

Lads would gifs of bewbs make you all happier, some heated discussions in here today...
Max you're normally a great man for the gifs

Giggsy11 · 23-12-2014 02:07PM

Blatter wrote: »

Another example you could use to support your point is how many people would have considered it in any way viable to play Philip Lahm as a DM 2 years ago?

Or Stewart Downing as a #10 this season?

Not many.

There are plenty of examples in the last 5-6 years.

Blind was a LB flop at Ajax and who would have thought that he would be signed by ManUtd as a DM.

Bale looked so awful when he just started to play on right wing and I for one hated that. Always believed he should be played as LW to stretch the teams but he was just amazing as RW year later.

Dembele was moved from striker to CM position.

Your Airbag · 23-12-2014 02:10PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

He said before he started playing centrally.

I know thats exactly the point I was addressing? He wants to have discussion about a player who never played centrally playing centarally, when said player has, so its a pointless one.

Pro. F wrote: »

Fùcking hell. Talk about making heavy work out of a simple point.

Ah right, I guess you don't like bring jumped on either, for any minor indescretions you may type.

So we'll leave it.

Merry Christmas Pro F

Your Airbag · 23-12-2014 02:14PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

This looks like a reply for just a sake of disagreeing with him. His point was simple and clear.

His inital point was comparing his Carrick/Britton statement to the idea of Di Maria playing deep centerally in terms of bring out there statements.

I offered the opinion it wasn't a crazy idea as Di Maria plays well as a ACM. Pro F then moved the goalposts a bit with lets imaginie Di Maria never played centerally, so I called him on it as we know how strict he is on that happening.

It wasn't disagreeing for the sake of it, both of his points were silly but I have said I have no interest on getting into it any further.

Merry Christmas Giggsy

bangkok · 23-12-2014 02:16PM

Pro. F wrote: »

What I'm saying is that a lot of fans who discuss football (maybe the majority of posters in this forum) are overly concerned with observing the decisions succesful managers make and then shaping their own opinions to match. This makes defending opinions easier, but it also inhibits genuine insight.

The idea of Di Maria being useful in the team when playing centrally is now commonly accepted on this thread. But if anybody had suggested it a few years ago, before he started getting games there for his club, it would not have been well received.

but when I said to play marco reus there I got widely ridiculed.....

Gits_bone · 23-12-2014 02:17PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

I know thats exactly the point I was addressing? He wants to have discussion about a player who never played centrally playing centarally, when said player has, so its a pointless one.

Ah right, I guess you don't like bring jumped on either, for any minor indescretions you may type.

So we'll leave it.

Merry Christmas Pro F

No he doesn't.

Pro. F · 23-12-2014 02:17PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ah right, I guess you don't like bring jumped on either, for any minor indescretions you may type.

So we'll leave it.

Merry Christmas Pro F

Well done on entering the conversation, contributing nothing, getting in a huff and leaving. Your gold star is in the post.

Giggsy11 · 23-12-2014 02:18PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Merry Christmas Giggsy

Merry Christmas mate..

Maximus Alexander · 23-12-2014 02:18PM

brinty wrote: »

Lads would gifs of bewbs make you all happier, some heated discussions in here today...
Max you're normally a great man for the gifs

You know I love an aul GIF brinty, but I wouldn't want to be upsetting the Right Honourable TSC this close to Christmas.

Have I got his title right? I'm bad at titles.

Senator TSC?

bucketybuck · 23-12-2014 02:18PM

bangkok wrote: »

but when I said to play marco reus there I got widely ridiculed.....

Post of the year.

Giggsy11 · 23-12-2014 02:19PM

bangkok wrote: »

but when I said to play marco reus there I got widely ridiculed.....

Should be played as a RB.

Pro. F · 23-12-2014 02:19PM

bangkok wrote: »

but when I said to play marco reus there I got widely ridiculed.....

Exactly*. Adox's mention of that is what led me to writing the original post.

*Well not exactly exactly, because they're different players and possibly a slightly different suggestion of position, but the principle is the same.

brinty · 23-12-2014 02:21PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

You know I love an aul GIF brinty, but I wouldn't want to be upsetting the Right Honourable TSC this close to Christmas.

Have I got his title right? I'm bad at titles.

Senator TSC?

Sure there's no harm in one

Overlord Vader TSC will save it for his private stash!!!!

I asked this morning and haven't heard an objection so i think we should be ok....

Your Airbag · 23-12-2014 02:21PM

Gits_bone wrote: »

No he doesn't.

Yes he did

Pro. F wrote: »

Well done on entering the conversation, contributing nothing, getting in a huff and leaving. Your gold star is in the post.

A huff? lol

Your Christmas card is in the post

brinty · 23-12-2014 02:21PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Should be played as a RB.

Stick him in nets and Big dave at DM.....

SherlockWatson · 23-12-2014 02:22PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Ok, so if we imagine a ficticious scenario where Di Maria never played centrally for Madrid ever that would improve your point a little.

Unfortunatley Di Maria did play centrally for Madrid and was a star there so I have no interest in discussing make believe scenarios with you.

Christ this tedious ****e is worse than anything, if you don't want to reply or discuss anything with him, don't, but there's no need for the Drama Llamas to pop their heads out every time Pro.F posts something.

The Moldy Gowl · 23-12-2014 02:23PM

bangkok wrote: »

but when I said to play marco reus there I got widely ridiculed.....

Hahaha poor Bangkok.

Maximus Alexander · 23-12-2014 02:24PM

brinty wrote: »

I asked this morning and haven't heard an objection so i think we should be ok....

I... don't think that's how it works. :pac:

MagicIRL · 23-12-2014 02:51PM

If Vlaar or Hummels comes in during the January window, I can see Carrick playing alongside Vlaar/Hummels & Jones/Smalling/Evans to form the back three with Blind as the DM. Shaw and Rafael are obvious first choices as wing-backs, but cover is desperately needed for RB, since Young seems to be playing at a decent squad level to be used as cover for Shaw at LB.

This is not fantasy football stuff. I can't wait!

De Gea
Smalling - Carrick - Vlaar
Rafael

Shaw
Blind
Strootman - Di Maria
Rooney
RVP - Falcao

Lord TSC · 23-12-2014 02:53PM

ah see, there is always some who take it too far. Posts deleted containing naughty links

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