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Donegal man jailed for two years for crash that killed eight

  • 19-12-2014 12:47AM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭


    Jailed for 2 years.

    Not sure how I feel about it. Originally felt guilty - obviously shouldn't have been driving recklessly but he also had a previous conviction for dangerous driving. Makes it harder to feel sympathy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Sala


    Very difficult case. On the one hand he recklessly chose to drive with an overloaded car, but as far as I can recall he was not drinking, but maybe speeding. He killed an innocent stranger, and probably most of his own best friends. But I still feel bad for him

    I would not like to have been the judge on that case


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    If anything I hope this makes someone else think twice before they do something similar.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    The guy is quite clearly a fncking idiot. He kills 8 people due to speeding in a vehicle heavily overloaded and driving dangerously.

    Less than a year later, he's caught speeding in a truck and supplies a false name to the Garda when stopped.
    He had also come to garda attention twice since the deaths, said the sergeant.

    On May 10, 2012 he was convicted at Buncrana District Court of driving his father’s lorry without a rear registration plate the previous August.

    On May 15, 2011, he was also stopped by gardai driving a lorry “at some speed” through Buncrana Main Street at 2.40am at a time when a large number of people were leaving a local nightclub.

    Sgt Doherty said that when Kelly was asked for his name by gardai he gave the name Christopher O’Donnell before admitting who he was. Kelly was given a caution.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-killed-seven-friends-and-pensioner-in-crash-will-spend-two-years-in-jail-30847728.html

    As much remorse as he probably feels, he has learned nothing. A ten year ban isn't enough, he should be banned for life. If killing 8 people won't teach you to cop on, nothing will, this scourge should never be back on the road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    Unbelieveable.

    We really don't punish people properly for driving offences. Accidents are as serious as the results. In this case a much longer sentence should have been imposed.

    I was reading about a Cork man given the opportunity to escape an 18 month prison sentence if he can show medical evidence as to his treatment whatever is causing him to drive like a fcuking loon. (the wrong way on a motorway). If you're banned and caught behind the wheel it should be simple, prison.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 954 ✭✭✭Highflyer13


    seamus wrote: »
    The guy is quite clearly a fncking idiot. He kills 8 people due to speeding in a vehicle heavily overloaded and driving dangerously.

    Less than a year later, he's caught speeding in a truck and supplies a false name to the Garda when stopped.


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-who-killed-seven-friends-and-pensioner-in-crash-will-spend-two-years-in-jail-30847728.html

    As much remorse as he probably feels, he has learned nothing. A ten year ban isn't enough, he should be banned for life. If killing 8 people won't teach you to cop on, nothing will, this scourge should never be back on the road.

    Read that earlier. That was the bit that really shocked me. Obviously this guy has serious issues behind the wheel. Im actually surprised he drove again after the accident.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    seamus wrote: »
    The guy is quite clearly a fncking idiot. He kills 8 people due to speeding in a vehicle heavily overloaded and driving dangerously.

    Less than a year later, he's caught speeding in a truck and supplies a false name to the Garda when stopped.

    That changes it quite a bit, kind of felt sorry for him, but he's obviously a selfish prick, speeding down a main Street in a truck at kicking out time. Some people never learn and so prison might teach him something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    There are no winners here.

    Only losers.

    Dancing pointing fingers in a shouty voice does no one any good


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Just for the sake of clarity, he was never convicted of speeding in a truck, he was convicted of having no number plate on the trailer, something many of us (me included) have done ourselves, he was caught speeding in a 50km zone in a car at a later date.

    This case was harrowing enough without ditchside hurlers adding bits on as they go along


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭wylie


    Really sad situation, no body wins.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 454 ✭✭Peter Anthony


    I still feel sorry for the guy, cant imagine what its like walking in his shoes, its the most horrendous car crash I've ever heard of in Ireland


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Just for the sake of clarity, he was never convicted of speeding in a truck, he was convicted of having no number plate on the trailer, something many of us (me included) have done ourselves, he was caught speeding in a 50km zone in a car at a later date.

    This case was harrowing enough without ditchside hurlers adding bits on as they go along

    The very fact that he was caught speeding (at 2.40am, in a crowded street less that a year later when he was supposed to be suffering trauma) would hint at a lack of remorse. Not to mention the fact that he initially tired to pin the blame on another driver.

    As someone said, no one wins - but at some point, you have to take steps to make sure it never happpens again.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Venus In Furs


    The very fact that he was caught speeding (at 2.40am, in a crowded street less that a year later when he was supposed to be suffering trauma) would hint at a lack of remorse.
    Could have been the trauma that caused him to do it - a person is probably not going to be thinking right after. Not excusing it, just considering a possible cause for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭ChippingSodbury


    For those who would hang him on the spot, think back on your own driving careers and I'll bet that there are a couple of fairly dangerous activities undertaken e.g. using mobile/ text message/ speeding. These are all activities that can cause accidents and possibly loss of life. The difference between these actions resulting in horrific consequences or not is often just the toss of a coin.
    Should you be locked up even though luck/ fate was on your side and the dangerous action didn't result in horrendous consequences?

    In this case, I think there aren't many punishments that could make the guy feel more regret for his actions, it's hard to argue against not sending him to jail for a period of time though...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭FactCheck


    In addition to the eight dead victims, people should also spare a thought for Mrs McGilloway, who only narrowly avoided becoming a ninth victim, had her car destroyed, and had to endure four years of his legal defence trying to blame her for the whole incident, claiming (completely without basis) that she had been on the wrong side of the road.
    Just for the sake of clarity, he was never convicted of speeding in a truck

    Just for the sake of clarity, any talk of "convictions" in relation to that incident is irrelevant; he accepted a caution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,934 ✭✭✭MarkAnthony


    For those who would hang him on the spot, think back on your own driving careers and I'll bet that there are a couple of fairly dangerous activities undertaken e.g. using mobile/ text message/ speeding. These are all activities that can cause accidents and possibly loss of life. The difference between these actions resulting in horrific consequences or not is often just the toss of a coin.
    Should you be locked up even though luck/ fate was on your side and the dangerous action didn't result in horrendous consequences?

    In this case, I think there aren't many punishments that could make the guy feel more regret for his actions, it's hard to argue against not sending him to jail for a period of time though...

    Anyone who texts while driving deserves a ban. Absolutely no excuse.

    Again - accidents are as serious as the consequences. While the enforcement should be there for all infractions if you do something that results in a death then you should face a custodial sentence. Perhaps then fewer people would take the risk in the first place. In a case like this with multiple aggravating factors two years seems very lenient to me.

    The 'ah sure it'll be grand' and 'I didn't mean too' attitudes need to stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    I still feel sorry for the guy, cant imagine what its like walking in his shoes, its the most horrendous car crash I've ever heard of in Ireland

    Sure he dose'nt remember it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    FactCheck wrote: »
    In addition to the eight dead victims, people should also spare a thought for Mrs McGilloway, who only narrowly avoided becoming a ninth victim, had her car destroyed, and had to endure four years of his legal defence trying to blame her for the whole incident, claiming (completely without basis) that she had been on the wrong side of the road.



    Just for the sake of clarity, any talk of "convictions" in relation to that incident is irrelevant; he accepted a caution.

    His bloody defence team acted more scumbaggy than he did by suggesting that. What a sick suggestion.:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Senna wrote: »
    That changes it quite a bit, kind of felt sorry for him, but he's obviously a selfish prick, speeding down a main Street in a truck at kicking out time. Some people never learn and so prison might teach him something.

    This guy is a sick animal.....he kills 8 people. He tries to blame another woman. Then he commits two offences afterwards. This Tragedy was front loaded. First getting into a car with a loony driver. Then it was over loaded, then speeding.

    When it is all done he commits two more offences.

    NO remorse No Shame.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    he's feeling remorse for his own deed that has led to widespread destroyed families.
    The guy isn't a murderer, just guilty of being stupidly wreckless and irresponsible. But then again, I'm sure the brother of the man in the other car would feel very wronged if this lad didn't go to prison.

    No evidence of this what so ever!!!
    If he was remorseful he would have owned up at the start/
    He tried to blame the other woman in the car behind.
    Then he went back on the road.
    Commited two more serious road offences including giving a false name to a Garda.

    This guy is on a mission to harm other people and himself....... Plick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    What I don't understand is if he sustained a brain injury in the accident that is so bad that he couldn't speak in court and will never be as he was before, then why and how was he even allowed behind the wheel of a car and lorry to get in trouble again?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    How long before his next driving offence? My guess is under 18 months.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    How many people do you have to kill through dangerous driving before you're put off the road for life?

    2 years in prison for causing the death of 8 people is just mind blowing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    diomed wrote: »
    How long before his next driving offence? My guess is under 18 months.

    Perhaps, if one of the prison wardens lets him have a spin in the carpark.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 23,489 ✭✭✭✭beertons


    That sentence is a disgrace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    In a way I feel a bit sorry for the guy and especially his family having that on him and nobody forced the people into the car, but these pointing the fingers does nobody any good type posts, well, fcuk that.

    This kind of driving is an issue on our roads. And you have a duty of care to your passengers. Plus his previous record. Come on.

    And what about the poor bastard in the other car?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭inforfun


    A temporary driving ban?

    That guy should have a restraining order keeping him at least 100 meters away from anything with an engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


    seamus wrote: »
    The guy is quite clearly a fncking idiot. He kills 8 people due to speeding in a vehicle heavily overloaded and driving dangerously.

    Less than a year later, he's caught speeding in a truck and supplies a false name to the Garda when stopped.

    Hmmm, that is unbelievable alright. What a fcuking gob****e...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,708 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    For those who would hang him on the spot, think back on your own driving careers and I'll bet that there are a couple of fairly dangerous activities undertaken e.g. using mobile/ text message/ speeding. These are all activities that can cause accidents and possibly loss of life. The difference between these actions resulting in horrific consequences or not is often just the toss of a coin.

    I don't have any driving convictions, I have never lied to the guards, I don't drink and drive, and I would never pile 7 people into a car and then kill them by driving irresponsibly.

    Don't you fucking dare equate me to that murderer.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Johngoose


    He'll probably be out for next Christmas 2015,for good behaviour.Just hope he doesn't get a pool cue up his jacksie!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Can't help thinking some of the leeway afforded to the guy here is linked to our dysfunctional relationship with driving. Where spending limits are viewed by some as an intrusion and shouldn't apply to those that can "handle it" and those who crash "can't handle it".

    Put it this way, imagine the defendant here was a parent with previous convictions for child neglect that let their kids die in a negligent accident. You would not hear a single plea for understanding and clemency here.


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