Building a time machine . . . the Hitler quandry

jiltloop · 16-12-2014 05:24PM

Ruu wrote: »

Just make sure they don't change 'Marathon' to 'Snickers'.

Don't forget Opal Fruits too.

cerastes · 16-12-2014 05:24PM

fedor.2. wrote: »

Just go back a bit earlier, kill his mother before she gets pregnant, problem solved

Just dont bang his mother, then you're hitlers dad

Micky Dolenz · 16-12-2014 05:26PM

Don't talk to me about time machines. I am from the year 2125, I came back to kill a child who will grow up and be a major player in starting WWIII, nearly driving the human species to extinction.

Problem is my time machine ran out of fuel, it's a special fuel, which won't be developed for another 67 years. So I am stuck here. To be fair, it isn't all bad. Loving the retro music and movies.

RichFTW · 16-12-2014 05:28PM

Or you could wait until he was 18 and then shoot him. C&C Red Alert did it already!

Anyway if Hitler was killed, Germany would still have started another war. Without his rhetoric, German Jewish scientists wouldn't have defected and Germany would have been even more powerful. A greater level of technology and no Hitler to make stupid moves into Russia in the winter would lead to a German victory.

ScumLord · 16-12-2014 05:29PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

We wouldn't have the Volkswagen Beetle.

The beetle was designed and built before the war, in fact if there was no war the production wouldn't have been put on hold to make way for the military.

Germans had stamp books that they bought stamps for to put towards buying a beetle, but then Hitler decided to take all their money and spend it on the war instead.

fedor.2. · 16-12-2014 05:29PM

cerastes wrote: »

Just dont bang his mother, then you're hitlers dad

I would've raised that boy right

ScumLord · 16-12-2014 05:30PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Problem is my time machine ran out of fuel, it's a special fuel, which won't be developed for another 67 years. So I am stuck here. To be fair, it isn't all bad. Loving the retro music and movies.

Have you tried using a banana skin and the end of a can of coke?

Tony EH · 16-12-2014 05:38PM

smcgiff wrote: »

Not to mention attacking Russia. It would have been a very different war if he hadn't - but that's a different thread.

Attacking Russia was the whole point of the war.

But yes, it's a different thread.

cerastes · 16-12-2014 05:43PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Don't talk to me about time machines. I am from the year 2125, I came back to kill a child who will grow up and be a major player in starting WWIII, nearly driving the human species to extinction.

Problem is my time machine ran out of fuel, it's a special fuel, which won't be developed for another 67 years. So I am stuck here. To be fair, it isn't all bad. Loving the retro music and movies.

So you didnt invent your time machine and you're just the pilot or was it set on auto pilot and you are just an assassin, because it seems kinda foolish to go back in time or anywhere without sufficient fuel to return, it is beginning to look like some kind of one way mission, possibly history has been hidden from you and they already know you didnt succeed and sent you back anyway, maybe you should be looking for the ancestors of the people who built that machine or sent you back in the first place, let them have it before they screw you around.
Unless of course you are happy to be here because the future is a post apocalyptic deathscape, you brought the lottery numbers back with you, right?

smcgiff · 16-12-2014 05:43PM

Tony EH wrote: »

Attacking Russia was the whole point of the war.

Controversial - may be worth a thread in the military forum.

Micky Dolenz · 16-12-2014 05:44PM

kinda on topic, and this will make some of us feel old.

When Marty went into the future in Back to the Future 2, the year was 2015 :eek:

smcgiff · 16-12-2014 05:44PM

Maybe time travel exists, and letting Hitler live was the best possible outcome achievable.

But, again, if time travel were possible how come they let Simon Cowell live.

It's the Simon Cowell Paradox :pac::D:pac:

Tony EH · 16-12-2014 05:45PM

smcgiff wrote: »

Controversial - may be worth a thread in the military forum.

Um, it's not controversial at all. Hitler's entire war was primarily about Russia. everything else fell into place after Britain and France declared war on Germany on the 3rd September 1939.

If there's no war declared by Britain and France, Hitler still invades Russia.

99% of Hitler's pre war rhetoric is anti Russia/Communism.

lanos · 16-12-2014 05:48PM

backwards timetravel will never be possible because if it was (or will be ) dozens of people would have travelled back with the benefit of hindsight and cured all the worlds ills or enslaved us all.
q.e.d

cerastes · 16-12-2014 05:49PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

kinda on topic, and this will make some of us feel old.

When Marty went into the future in Back to the Future 2, the year was 2015 :eek:

But, its 2014
And why didnt Marty or Doc go back and kill hitler or his mother, they had a damn time machine, and were knocking bout in the 1880's

smcgiff · 16-12-2014 05:52PM

cerastes wrote: »

But, its 2014
And why didnt Marty or Doc go back and kill hitler or his mother, they had a damn time machine, and were knocking bout in the 1880's

Not many laughs in your movie then.

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-12-2014 05:52PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

kinda on topic, and this will make some of us feel old.

When Marty went into the future in Back to the Future 2, the year was 2015 :eek:

October 21st 2015

darkpagandeath · 16-12-2014 05:53PM

This did not end well in the Red alert series..

Wossack · 16-12-2014 05:53PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

kinda on topic, and this will make some of us feel old.

When Marty went into the future in Back to the Future 2, the year was 2015 :eek:

thats just a possible future, and now hasnt happened

if we've no hoverboards, and self lacing Nike runners next year, you can blame that git McFly for feckin over Biff

SEPT 23 1989 · 16-12-2014 05:55PM

cerastes wrote: »

But, its 2014
And why didnt Marty or Doc go back and kill hitler or his mother, they had a damn time machine, and were knocking bout in the 1880's

how would they get the time machine from Hill Valley to Austria?

Dravokivich · 16-12-2014 05:56PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The beetle was designed and built before the war, in fact if there was no war the production wouldn't have been put on hold to make way for the military.

Germans had stamp books that they bought stamps for to put towards buying a beetle, but then Hitler decided to take all their money and spend it on the war instead.

Hitler had it commissioned in the 30's didn't he?

ScumLord · 16-12-2014 06:16PM

lanos wrote: »

backwards timetravel will never be possible because if it was (or will be ) dozens of people would have travelled back with the benefit of hindsight and cured all the worlds ills or enslaved us all.
q.e.d

The problem I have with backwards time travel is that you'd basically have to make everything in the universe go backwards exactly the way it came, I don't see how you could make a sun work backwards or guarantee it would go back exactly the same way it came.

Although given how bizarre quantum mechanics are it's hard to rule anything out anymore.

Wossack wrote: »

if we've no hoverboards, and self lacing Nike runners next year, you can blame that git McFly for feckin over Biff

The hoverboard has arrived!

ScumLord · 16-12-2014 06:19PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

Hitler had it commissioned in the 30's didn't he?

I don't know that it wouldn't have happened anyway, state funded cars of the people were the order of the day at the time. the big European countries wanted to mobilise their citizens with cheap cars, the Germans just did it much better than anyone else. The French made some horrendous cars.

James may did a good series on the history of certain cars and car types where he covers the peoples car boom of the time.

Micky Dolenz · 16-12-2014 06:25PM

Post war when German Industry was being dismantled, an English general saved VW and began mass producing the beetle as a military "run around" vehicle. That shade of green suited it.

Steve F · 16-12-2014 06:26PM

Forget it people it ain't gonna happen.If the ability to travel backwards and forwards in time had been invented surely there would be loads of time travelers turning up at historic events like the Crucifixion,JFK's shooting,John Lennons murder the list would be endless.We are all on s space time continual.By the way did I ever tell you about my ability to become invisible? ;0)

smcgiff · 16-12-2014 06:28PM

Steve F wrote: »

Forget it people it ain't gonna happen.If the ability to travel backwards and forwards in time had been invented surely there would be loads of time travelers turning up at historic events like the crucifiction,JFK's shooting,John Lennons murder the list would be endless.We are all on s space time continual.By the way did I ever tell you about my ability to become invisable? ;0)

*cough*

bear1 · 16-12-2014 06:29PM

Well let's say this was hypothetically possible.
Mussolini would still have led Italy to fascism and Franco would still have won the war in Spain and Goering would still have existed within the German government.
With Hitler not around Goering would have been the person to take his place who was much smarter and then the things would have looked very different.
We may now have had Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria and Yugoslavia as one major world power.
We need to remember that WW1 would still have happened and the Treaty of Versailles would have still bankrupted Germany.

A more interesting question would have been, what would have happened if Hitler WON the war?
Well it's quite clear at this point that Hitler should not have gone so quickly East bound. Instead he should have concentrated more on the land he already took.
Hitlers biggest problem was oil, to further his attack he needed more oil than he thought, luckily for him Mussolini decided to attack Libya and Greece. Hitler also sent them troops to help secure the land.
Of course Greece would have been a good place to have in order to then go onto the Middle East where oil is all for the taking. He could then island hop to Cyprus and then plan an assault on Syria and Lebanon.
France had a very limited amount of power in Middle East but I think this would have been easy for Hitler.
Taking Turkey as well may have proved essential for a successful Barbarossa mission as they would have taken the Russian oil filed in the Caucases. So Barbarossa would have been done from the south and from the west.
I'm probably over thinking it at this point, but if all of that had been successful then it would have been quite possible that Hitler moved onto India with Japan meeting them along the way.
The UK would have fallen not much later and with the allies now at a crisis point the US would have been alone.
The US would have still invented the atomic bomb but what would the US look like now is something I can't fathom. Swastika over Washington?

BBJBIG · 16-12-2014 06:30PM

Act on that maxim whereby you can at the same time will that it should become a Universal Law ...

jamesbere · 16-12-2014 06:32PM

Go back and kill jedward, save the human race

lanos · 16-12-2014 06:34PM

bear1 wrote: »

but what would the US look like now is something I can't fathom. Swastika over Washington?

a much better scenario if you ask me

Building a time machine . . . the Hitler quandry

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