Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Vicxas · 16-12-2014 09:52AM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Limitless potential?!? Behave. He's the same as Aaron Lennon circa 2006.

Point taken, limitless may be too generous.

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 09:54AM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Limitless potential?!? Behave. He's the same as Aaron Lennon circa 2006.

Sterling would fit right in at Madrid...quality player. One of the worlds best 20 year olds.

super_furry · 16-12-2014 09:55AM

If we lose tomorrow and lose to Arsenal, do you think FGS will step in and make the call? Really have no faith that we can even get anything against a hugely in-form Bournemouth side right now.

NEDDURC · 16-12-2014 10:03AM

The team I'd go with against Bournemouth would be:

.................Mignolet
Johnson...Toure.....Sakho....Moreno
Markovic....Henderson...Can....Sterling
................Lambert
................Balotelli

I'd like to see us play with two proper wingers and two forwards. Lets take the game to Bournmouth and try get some goals. Give them something to worry about.

Vicxas · 16-12-2014 10:04AM

NEDDURC wrote: »

The team I'd go with against Bournemouth would be:

.................Mignolet
Johnson...Toure.....Sakho....Moreno
Markovic....Henderson...Can....Sterling
................Lambert
................Balotelli

I'd like to see us play with two proper wingers and two forwards. Lets take the game to Bournmouth and try get some goals. Give them something to worry about.

Mignolet is dropped indefinitely apparently.

SherlockWatson · 16-12-2014 10:07AM

DeanAustin wrote: »

Limitless potential?!? Behave. He's the same as Aaron Lennon circa 2006.

Are you smoking Crack?

If you can't see the difference between Sterling and Lennon, I think football is the wrong sport for you.

joe123 · 16-12-2014 10:07AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Just so we're crystal clear. I support the club. I support the team. I reserve the right to ride any dickhead manager out on a rail when he isn't performing. If Hodgson had to go and Rodgers is performing worse in the league after two full years of transfers to mould his squad there's going to be harsh criticism. Once he starts engaging in politics with the club structure he'd need to be a club legend to retain support. Rodgers is far from that.

Yep we have great fans and great posters. :rolleyes:

This is the tripe I am on about. Would love to go back over last season and call out the posters/new regs that now slate Rodgers at any opportunity who applauded him last season and especially the posters who you would not see post a single post for days/weeks when things were going well.

Embarrassing.

The term supporter is lost on so many. Rodgers is'nt a club legend, but what he brought us to last season has earned him time.

If the transfer committee power struggle was Rafa we would have a very different response from many on here.

Rodgers has done plenty wrong this season and his team selection for the Basel game probably cost us the three points. Playing Sterling up front against United was not one of them. We had the most movement/chance creation weve had in ages in that game. Its just a pity we don't have a good enough striker to dislodge Sterling.

The Moldy Gowl · 16-12-2014 10:08AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

Sterling would fit right in at Madrid...quality player. One of the worlds best 20 year olds.

Of course he would fit in, if their policy changes to just hiring 20 year olds.

donfers · 16-12-2014 10:10AM

I think we'll draw with Bournemouth and draw with Arsenal and Rodgers will say we've turned a corner

joe123 · 16-12-2014 10:10AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I can only imagine how frustrating it is for the transfer committee to see the manager refuse to play the players signed in the summer based purely on the fact they didn't sign who Rogders wanted. If he didn't like the set-up, he shouldn't have signed his contract extension in the summer.

Defending a transfer committee over your clubs manager. Wow I really have seen it all now.

Are people that much against Rodgers?

Seamu$ · 16-12-2014 10:12AM

dixiefly wrote: »

So what do you guys think Sterling should be offered now? He has been shown to be very limited in fron of goals in recent goals and has actually deteriorated in that area in my view.

Real Madrid? Not a chance in my mind. The paucity of his efforts in recent games will have been very clear to them.

If I was FSG I would play hardball on the £70k contract.

He had a shocker on Sunday but is still one of our best players. Based on current wage levels I wouldn't have a huge issue with the club giving him a £60k or £70k per week package or a slighter lower base + incentive or loyalty payments. I'd prefer us to have 4 "Sterlings" + £20k a week loose change than 1 Rooney!

Of all our problems, the value of Sterlings contract certainly isn't the main one...

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 10:13AM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Of course he would fit in, if their policy changes to just hiring 20 year olds.

There you go again.

Never said they wanted to sign him.

I suppose I'd be talking nonsense if I said Neuer would fit in at Liverpool too?

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2014 10:19AM

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Are you smoking Crack?

If you can't see the difference between Sterling and Lennon, I think football is the wrong sport for you.

I think it's a pretty solid comparison. Lots of nice trickery, little substantial end product.

joe123 wrote: »

Defending a transfer committee over your clubs manager. Wow I really have seen it all now.

Are people that much against Rodgers?

If the manager is purposely trying to sabotage the club then yes I am that much against Rodgers.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 10:24AM

super_furry wrote: »

If we lose tomorrow and lose to Arsenal, do you think FGS will step in and make the call? Really have no faith that we can even get anything against a hugely in-form Bournemouth side right now.

Absolutely. I think his position would be untenable with two further losses on the bounce.

joe123 wrote: »

Yep we have great fans and great posters. :rolleyes:

This is the tripe I am on about. Would love to go back over last season and call out the posters/new regs that now slate Rodgers at any opportunity who applauded him last season and especially the posters who you would not see post a single post for days/weeks when things were going well.

Embarrassing.

The term supporter is lost on so many. Rodgers is'nt a club legend, but what he brought us to last season has earned him time.

If the transfer committee power struggle was Rafa we would have a very different response from many on here.

Rodgers has done plenty wrong this season and his team selection for the Basel game probably cost us the three points. Playing Sterling up front against United was not one of them. We had the most movement/chance creation weve had in ages in that game. Its just a pity we don't have a good enough striker to dislodge Sterling.

Benitez WAS harshly criticised on here for his politicking towards the end. Not everyone disagreed with him mind and you have to remember that we stayed in the hunt for 4th place right the way through 2009 / 10 and lost in extra time in a European semi final. And that it was his first shaky season in six, after he'd brought us to a consistent level of competitiveness some of us wondered was beyond us in the modern era. It would also be utterly disingenuous to ignore the fact that the context of the politicking was that G & H were running the club into the ground financially.

So I backed Benitez at the time because there were lots of reasons to. It just wasn't falling apart to the extent we are experiencing this season. Rodgers has a lower points total through 16 games and has failed in a much weaker CL group.

noodler · 16-12-2014 10:25AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think it's a pretty solid comparison. Lots of nice trickery, little substantial end product.

Thats bull**** imo.

He has end product when he has other players to interact with.

You can't stick a 20 year with his physique up front on his own and expect him to be the battering ram.

Fowler87 · 16-12-2014 10:27AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If the manager is purposely trying to sabotage the club then yes I am that much against Rodgers.

Thats a different kettle of fish entirely and if something like that was true then fair enough someones head will be on the line and ultimately it will be the manager. But one thing that needs to be sorted first... who the **** is on this transfer committee (other than Ayre) and why don't they come out and say something at this crisis point the club are in. Rodgers is getting the brunt of everything when the man in the moon knows half those signings weren't his making..

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2014 10:28AM

noodler wrote: »

Thats bull**** imo.

He has end product when he has other players to interact with.

You can't stick a 20 year with his physique up front on his own and expect him to be the battering ram.

I'm talking about all season, not just Sunday. So far we've only seen that he has end product when he has one world class striker and one borderline one playing ahead of him. Also, no one expected him to be a battering ram. I do expect him to convert at least one of his 3 glorious chances though.

SherlockWatson · 16-12-2014 10:31AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

I think it's a pretty solid comparison. Lots of nice trickery, little substantial end product.

He has the intelligence and skill to play the number 10 role, which aaron Lennon would never be able to do, comparing them is crazy!

He's scored something like 15-16 goals so far for Liverpool, Lennon has less than 40 in his career I'd wager, I don't think it's a fair comparison at all really!

SuperTortoise · 16-12-2014 10:32AM

IMO Rodgers has earned the right to get the rest of this season to turn things around, i still think he made the right call on formation and team selection last Sunday for the most part, he wanted to go with a team that created more chances and that's exactly what we got, it's just a pity we were not able to finish any of them.

As for the comparison between Sterling and Lennon, they both have the ability and pace to beat a man and that's where it stops, Sterling has better movement is more intelligent and has an end product(granted the end product needs to be more consistent).
If it meant getting him signed to a new long term deal i'd have no problem giving him 100k a week or whatever he's after, i think he's worth it.

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2014 10:34AM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Thats a different kettle of fish entirely and if something like that was true then fair enough someones head will be on the line and ultimately it will be the manager. But one thing that needs to be sorted first... who the **** is on this transfer committee (other than Ayre) and why don't they come out and say something at this crisis point the club are in. Rodgers is getting the brunt of everything when the man in the moon knows half those signings weren't his making..

Transfer committee is supposedly:
Ian Ayre -
Dave Fallow - Head of scouting at Manchester city previously
Michael Edwards - stats nerd
Barry hunter - Former Manchester city scout

What are they meant to come out and say?

- "Maybe if Rodgers picked the player we bought we'd have a better idea of how good they are?"

- "Maybe if Rodgers actually tried to coach our defenders they'd perform better"

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 10:35AM

Fowler87 wrote: »

Thats a different kettle of fish entirely and if something like that was true then fair enough someones head will be on the line and ultimately it will be the manager. But one thing that needs to be sorted first... who the fuk is on this transfer committee (other than Ayre) and why don't they come out and say something at this crisis point the club are in. Rodgers is getting the brunt of everything when the man in the moon knows half those signings weren't his making..

I know right? Rodgers must have signed:

Sturridge
Lallana
Moreno
Toure

And then the committee is responsible for:

Markovic
Balotelli
Lovren
Can
Borini
Allen
Assaidi
Sakho
Ilori
Manquillo

Coutinho's probably on the down at the moment so I guess he used to be a Rodger's signing but is now a committee one? Let us know if you want to move anyone out of the committee to Rodgers list also.

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 10:36AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Transfer committee is supposedly:
Ian Ayre -
Dave Fallow - Head of scouting at Manchester city previously
Michael Edwards - stats nerd
Barry hunter - Former Manchester city scout

What are they meant to come out and say?

- "Maybe if Rodgers picked the player we bought we'd have a better idea of how good they are?"

- "Maybe if Rodgers actually tried to coach our defenders they'd perform better"

They could say Brendan wanted these players and didn't object to signing them.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 10:40AM

Also, transfer committee stuff aside - the revelation from Carra last night on MNF that Rodgers doesn't focus on defensive stuff is ****ing bizarre though not in the least surprising. We've always looked badly coached in this aspect of the game but the insistence on not addressing the problem is just ludicrous. Maybe he wants the sack?

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2014 10:41AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

They could say Brendan wanted these players and didn't object to signing them.

Let's be honest, they can't publicly come out and say anything. Talk about creating an even bigger cluster **** if they did.

Gits_bone · 16-12-2014 10:42AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Let's be honest, they can't publicly come out and say anything. Talk about creating an even bigger cluster **** if they did.

They could "leak" it like it seems to be leaked from rodgers side.

Turtyturd · 16-12-2014 10:43AM

dixiefly wrote: »

So what do you guys think Sterling should be offered now? He has been shown to be very limited in fron of goals in recent goals and has actually deteriorated in that area in my view.

Real Madrid? Not a chance in my mind. The paucity of his efforts in recent games will have been very clear to them.

If I was FSG I would play hardball on the £70k contract.

I'd stick a bet on each week and pay him the winnings, we'd just have to hope we didn't lose the dockets. Knowhaumsayin'?

NabyLadistheman · 16-12-2014 10:43AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Also, transfer committee stuff aside - the revelation from Carra last night on MNF that Rodgers doesn't focus on defensive stuff is ****ing bizarre though not in the least surprising. We've always looked badly coached in this aspect of the game but the insistence on not addressing the problem is just ludicrous. Maybe he wants the sack?

Carra has been out of the squad for a long time now. How does he know we don't focus more on the defensive side of the game in training

Chucky the tree · 16-12-2014 10:43AM

Gits_bone wrote: »

They could "leak" it like it seems to be leaked from rodgers side.

What good would leaking it do? Airing this through various leaks is just bizarre and if don by Rodgers simply points to another fact he seems to have lost the plot.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 10:46AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Let's be honest, they can't publicly come out and say anything. Talk about creating an even bigger cluster **** if they did.

It's all nonsense anyway:

- start addressing the defensive issues on the coaching field;
- start addressing the inability to press as a team consistently like last year on the coaching field;
- start addressing the issues with set pieces on the coaching field;
- stop blacklisting players to prove a point;
- start selecting on the basis of form;

Leaking stuff to the press to try and paint a picture seems like the wrong way to use your energy.

LuckyLloyd · 16-12-2014 10:48AM

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Carra has been out of the squad for a long time now. How does he know we don't focus more on the defensive side of the game in training

I know right, things have obviously changed big time in terms of our average goals conceded and defensive cohesion. And Carra probably has zero contact with any of the current squad, none.

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