Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Harry Palmr · 13-12-2014 02:42PM

Its only when you stay out of this thread for a day or two you realise the nonsense that's in it!

SuperTortoise · 13-12-2014 02:44PM

I'd still have Torres ahead of Lambert, Ballotelli and Borini.

Torres is the type of player that only thrives when his head is in the right place, and it never looked to be since he joined Chelsea.
Besides, we won't sign him, potential is clearly what the transfer comittee is after. I think they have the attitude that it'll only take 1 in every 10 to turn into a great signing to pay for the other punts and leave a tidy profit.

PropJoe10 · 13-12-2014 02:45PM

Torres on a free transfer on a 6 month contract would be better than nothing, but only slightly. Although who knows, maybe coming back to restore his reputation with the Pool fans would be an incentive for him to get his head right. He's only 30 and shouldnt be this crap at this stage of his career.

13-12-2014 02:48PM

If there's a striker for free that's better fair enough. That was the original point.

I just can't see the owners giving Rodgers cash in January considering CL is gone and top 4 is improbable

martyos121 · 13-12-2014 02:48PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Torres on a free transfer on a 6 month contract would be better than nothing, but only slightly. Although who knows, maybe coming back to restore his reputation with the Pool fans would be an incentive for him to get his head right. He's only 30 and shouldnt be this crap at this stage of his career.

Pay-as-you-play contract with huge goal bonuses is the only way to go, IMO. I think he'd be willing to sign that sort of contract given his form post-betrayal.

Mr.Crinklewood · 13-12-2014 02:52PM

e.r wrote: »

Torres and Gerrard might click again worth a punt

It's Euro these days.

chicorytip · 13-12-2014 02:54PM

It appears Lovren may well be available in the January sales. What a shocking indictment of Rodgers' management. The fella clearly lacks two basic qualifications for any successful manager,good judgement of players and clear minded tactical nous.Time to get rid .....

Turtyturd · 13-12-2014 02:56PM

e.r wrote: »

Torres and Gerrard might click again worth a punt

rob316 · 13-12-2014 02:59PM

chicorytip wrote: »

It appears Lovren may well be available in the January sales. What a shocking indictment of Rodgers' management. The fella clearly lacks two basic qualifications for any successful manager,good judgement of players and clear minded tactical nous.Time to get rid .....

I blame the manager for what happens on the pitch not transfers. No one has a clue who actually signs these players and did rodgers want them. Allen and borini are his but I'm not sure after that.

Turtyturd · 13-12-2014 03:05PM

Lovern played week in and week out until there was no option but to drop him, it's safe to say that he is one.

However defending has been an issue since day one with 'The Rodgers' so offloading players isn't going to do anything.

smileyj1987 · 13-12-2014 03:09PM

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Torres on a free transfer on a 6 month contract would be better than nothing, but only slightly. Although who knows, maybe coming back to restore his reputation with the Pool fans would be an incentive for him to get his head right. He's only 30 and shouldnt be this crap at this stage of his career.

Honestly give it a shot . It can't be any worse then only having lambert and ballotelli right now .
Edit no disrespect to borini but it looks like his days are numbered .

13-12-2014 03:10PM

chicorytip wrote: »

It appears Lovren may well be available in the January sales. What a shocking indictment of Rodgers' management. The fella clearly lacks two basic qualifications for any successful manager,good judgement of players and clear minded tactical nous.Time to get rid .....

Appears from where?

Got a link?

Mr Alan · 13-12-2014 03:36PM

rob316 wrote: »

I blame the manager for what happens on the pitch not transfers. No one has a clue who actually signs these players and did rodgers want them. Allen and borini are his but I'm not sure after that.

I wish people would stop with this fallacy.

“There is absolutely no way a player will come in here if I don’t want him,” Rodgers told the Liverpool Echo. “I will always be the first person it comes to. That’s not being arrogant, that’s how we operate here and how it works in this country.”

He added: "Abroad it works differently where you have a coach and the club will bring in the players. The coach then works with the players he’s given. A lot has been made of it but the fact is the process that happens here is no different to what happens at other English clubs."

“We have a number of people, scouting staff and analysts, who will look for targets who fit the profile of the players that we want. Then I will sit down with those guys, look at those targets and make a shortlist from that. I know the club will go and do the best it can to get the players we want.

“But it’s very clear that anyone we sign will be because I want him here.”

RODGERS CALLS THE SHOTS WITH TRANSFERS. THERE IS OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS, SAME AS ANY CLUB, BUT RODGERS IS IN CHARGE

PropJoe10 · 13-12-2014 03:47PM

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Honestly give it a shot . It can't be any worse then only having lambert and ballotelli right now .
Edit no disrespect to borini but it looks like his days are numbered .

Might as well forget Borini, hes a goner. Rodgers has preferred to go into games with one striker (Lambert) recently rather than even have him on the bench. Borini isnt very good but at least he'd offer some pace and movement until we get someone better.

e.r · 13-12-2014 03:53PM

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

It's Euro these days.

Its a figure of speech most days:(

13-12-2014 03:57PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I wish people would stop with this fallacy.

RODGERS CALLS THE SHOTS WITH TRANSFERS. THERE IS OTHER PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE PROCESS, SAME AS ANY CLUB, BUT RODGERS IS IN CHARGE

You'd wonder what's the point in the committee then?

Surely he could pick a player and then get a simple yes or no from the board?

Why do you fully believe what Rodgers says with regards to this but then say he's a spoofer on other things?

Personally I take what managers say with a dose of salt.

Mr Alan · 13-12-2014 04:03PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

You'd wonder what's the point in the committee then?

I'd suggest most clubs have a similar arrangement. A number of stakeholders involved in transfers, all subject to sign off from a couple of key people ie. Manager & Chairman.

Rarnes wrote:

Surely he could pick a player and then get a simple yes or no from the board?

Essentially this is what happens? Players identified & signed off by stakeholders if authorised

Rarnes wrote:

Why do you fully believe what Rodgers says with regards to this but then says he's a spoofer on other things?

Are you referring to Lallana's injury? The only thing I can think of where I've said it seems like bull****.

Rarnes wrote:

Personally I take what managers say with a dose of salt.

So you essentially believe nothing. Unless you want to.

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2014 04:09PM

The committee as I see it see just a glorified scouting network where they scout positions the manager say he needs filled they come back with a number of players including the player the manager wants and back ups if they can't get the first pick.

Then the manager say to Ayre these are my first picks go get them, If he they can't get first picks they go down the list.

So it is easy for the manager to leak to his friends in the press it's the committee picks that he didn't get his first picks I can't see any one else at the club leaking this to the press.

13-12-2014 04:24PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I'd suggest most clubs have a similar arrangement. A number of stakeholders involved in transfers, all subject to sign off from a couple of key people ie. Manager & Chairman.

Essentially this is what happens? Players identified & signed off by stakeholders if authorised

Are you referring to Lallana's injury? The only thing I can think of where I've said it seems like bull****.

So you essentially believe nothing. Unless you want to.

So why the big deal about a committee then?

Why set it up?

I thought you called Rodgers a spoofer before, must have been someone else.

Yeah, I wouldn't believe too much a manager says. Fergie, Wenger, Mourinho all compulsive liars. They all do it. Always have always will

13-12-2014 04:32PM

Downing scores again. 3 goals and 6 assists. Not bad!

Turtyturd · 13-12-2014 04:33PM

Would be a big blow to his ego to have to come out and admit he doesn't have the final say after the big deal he made about not working under anyone.

If he does have the final say, he looks even worse, buying players then freezing them out of the squad.

Utopia Parkway · 13-12-2014 04:36PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Downing scores again. 3 goals and 6 assists. Not bad!

Bit like the season he had at Villa before we bought him. Think he ended up with 7 league goals and a bunch of assists.

Utopia Parkway · 13-12-2014 04:41PM

By the way you can't believe half the stuff a manager comes out with. Rodgers is hardly going to come out and say "I don't have full control of transfers". It would undermine his own position and make him look weak. Ultimately we don't know how they do it. I imagine there is a certain amount of horse trading involved. Give me this player that I like and I'll take that player that you like, etc, etc.

smileyj1987 · 13-12-2014 04:43PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Downing scores again. 3 goals and 6 assists. Not bad!

Still glad to see the back of him . He seems to be hot and cold . He was very cold for LFC !

Mr Alan · 13-12-2014 04:44PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

By the way you can't believe half the stuff a manager comes out with. Rodgers is hardly going to come out and say "I don't have full control of transfers". It would undermine his own position and make him look weak. Ultimately we don't know how they do it. I imagine there is a certain amount of horse trading involved. Give me this player that I like and I'll take that player that you like, etc, etc.

This is ultimately true then of every manager ever. Is it therefore unfair to ever pass judgement on a managers ability in the transfer market?

duffman13 · 13-12-2014 04:45PM

e.r wrote: »

Its a figure of speech most days:(

It's a figure of speech which has nothing to do with the old Irish pound so you were correct anyway

NukaCola · 13-12-2014 05:24PM

Wether its Rodgers or the transfer committee making the signings it clearly isn't working. Every signing isn't going to be a hit but to be fair their record is poor.

Signing potential is all well and good when the deal and time is right. The fees we've payed on potential is crazy. For example Markovic went for less than half the fee we payed just the season before, thats the time to buy. Same as Can. I know Lovren was bought for now but he also went for less than half the fee we paid just the season before.

We've paid stupid money for average players and young players. And most important we didn't replace a goalscorer with a goalscorer. Thats all on Rodgers as he has final say.

Agent Coulson · 13-12-2014 06:39PM

So Carra thinks we to spend another £100m to get back in the title race.

Only way I see that happening is with a new manager.

Strongbow10 · 13-12-2014 07:06PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So Carra thinks we to spend another £100m to get back in the title race.

Only way I see that happening is with a new manager.

with new owners more like

no point spending 100 million if you are going to offer poor wages, players we need to improve us will command big fees (and good players ask for big wages).

if we have any competition whatsoever then we'll shirk any potential bidding war.

We spent a similar sum this summer and not one of them was a top player. they all fell quite comfortably into our wage structure, but if you want game changing players you need to be less restrictive.

It seems to be a whose who of rejection in the last few years.

Mr Alan · 13-12-2014 07:11PM

Excuses around our wage bill & transfer spend are yet more ridiculous fallacy.

We're amongst the highest transfer spends in Europe & near the top in England for wages too.

Our problem is not with the resources available, it's with how it's being spent.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

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