The Paedophile Next Door

Piliger · 07-12-2014 07:30PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I've posted the official correct definition of paedophilia and it supports my definition of a paedophile

Except it doesn't.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:05PM

looking_around wrote: »

" someone who is sexually interested in children" from cambridge dictionary...sorry, but oxford isn't the only "official" dictionary out there.

The definition of sexual orientation, means paedophilia cannot be an orientation, so find that definition.

If you find an orientation that includes age, from a reputable source, then I'll concede.

Sounds like a description of sexual orientation to me ............ definitely does not describe a fetish ......... thank you for proving my point

Shep_Dog · 07-12-2014 09:07PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

We do need more research ........... but I believe we need more research in the areas of identifying and catching paedophiles. And once caught they must be then quarantined regardless of whether or not they have committed any actual crime yet .........

You mean....like screening all men for an arousal response to paedophilic stimuli? There have been some studies and the results were quite surprising.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:07PM

looking_around wrote: »

Doesn't matter how you describe it,

that's the definition.

Paedophilia can't be a sexuality, because a paedophile can be gay/bi/straight, they just have a obsessive compulsive attraction to children.
Use those same words for anything..obsessive compulsive attraction to feet, or obsessive compulsive attraction to pain. And you'll see that it IS a fetish. Read the definitions. Whether your opinion agrees or not, doesn't matter.

That's like disagreeing with the definition for any word out there. The definition doesn't change based on who reads it.

looking_around wrote: »

and anyway, your definition does not support your assumption that all paedophiles are child molesters.

It wasn't meant to ........ it was to show you that paedophilia is a sexuality not a fetish as you proclaimed was the official definition.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:08PM

Piliger wrote: »

Except it doesn't.

Correct ........ except for the fact that it does

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:10PM

Shep_Dog wrote: »

You mean....like screening all men for an arousal response to paedophilic stimuli? There have been some studies and the results were quite surprising.

I've seen those studies and I don't think that would be the way to weed out paedophiles ........... another method is needed in my opinion.

looking_around · 07-12-2014 09:16PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Sounds like a description of sexual orientation to me ............ definitely does not describe a fetish ......... thank you for proving my point

"sexually interested in pain" ..also sounds as an orientation to you?

sounds like you're just trying to gear the definition to suit your side.

Here's the definition of sexual orientation.
"a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted".

No luck finding a definition about orientation that includes age, huh?

Shep_Dog · 07-12-2014 09:30PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I've seen those studies and I don't think that would be the way to weed out paedophiles ........... another method is needed in my opinion.

what would that be?

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:50PM

looking_around wrote: »

"sexually interested in pain" ..also sounds as an orientation to you?

sounds like you're just trying to gear the definition to suit your side.

Here's the definition of sexual orientation.
"a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted".

No luck finding a definition about orientation that includes age, huh?

Eh ........... you're actually changing the definition to suit what you want it to say/mean.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 09:52PM

Shep_Dog wrote: »

what would that be?

I have no idea ........ maybe you have a suggestion as to how we can weed them out?

looking_around · 07-12-2014 09:54PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Eh ........... you're actually changing the definition to suit what you want it to say/mean.

so you have proof "sexual orientation", includes other factors and not just gender?

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 10:29PM

looking_around wrote: »

so you have proof "sexual orientation", includes other factors and not just gender?

So by your definition an individual's sexuality is based on their sexual interest in a specific gender ......... where does that leave bisexuals so???

looking_around · 07-12-2014 10:30PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

So by your definition an individual's sexuality is based on their sexual interest in a specific gender ......... where does that leave bisexuals so???

both genders.

It's based on GENDER, not one gender :rolleyes:

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 11:24PM

looking_around wrote: »

both genders.

It's based on GENDER, not one gender :rolleyes:

And paedophiles are interested in either one or the other gender, sometimes both ............

This conversation is redundant anyway, as I don't care what we label paedophiles as ........... I care about stopping them

Piliger · 07-12-2014 11:33PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

And paedophiles are interested in either one or the other gender, sometimes both ............

This conversation is redundant anyway, as I don't care what we label paedophiles as ........... I care about stopping them

No you don't. On the basis of what you say, you only care about hunting them. If you cared about stopping them you would support finding out why they do what they do.

MadDog76 · 07-12-2014 11:39PM

Piliger wrote: »

No you don't. On the basis of what you say, you only care about hunting them. If you cared about stopping them you would support finding out why they do what they do.

I know why they do what they do, they can't help it because they were born that way ......... nonetheless they need to be hunted down and stopped.

Noobascious · 07-12-2014 11:53PM

The only ones ur going to stop are the obvious ones who are in the closet gays who in their teens decided to be pedos cos they failed in relationships with the opposite sex at that age. They were given two choices a gay b pedo. Labelled, tagged and avoided. Specifically the male model who had no contact with females from puberty til their mid teens when alcohol became available. In those years they experienced daily homophobic slurs from the exclusively male company they hung around with. I'd put a wager down mad dog was just like every other young fella linking homosexuality to anything negative in those formative years. This is what made them pedos.
That's just a tiny section of pedos - so-called pedo priests cos rumours and confidence issues prevented them from having anymore girlfriends.
There's plenty that never get caught. Mind you they look out for their confused little brothers. And there's some out there who millitantly Look out for their disadvantaged brothers. Anders brehvik was totally all about immigration (sic)

MadDog76 · 08-12-2014 12:09AM

Noobascious wrote: »

The only ones ur going to stop are the obvious ones who are in the closet gays who in their teens decided to be pedos cos they failed in relationships with the opposite sex at that age. They were given two choices a gay b pedo. Labelled, tagged and avoided. Specifically the male model who had no contact with females from puberty til their mid teens when alcohol became available. In those years they experienced daily homophobic slurs from the exclusively male company they hung around with. I'd put a wager down mad dog was just like every other young fella linking homosexuality to anything negative in those formative years. This is what made them pedos.
That's just a tiny section of pedos - so-called pedo priests cos rumours and confidence issues prevented them from having anymore girlfriends.
There's plenty that never get caught. Mind you they look out for their confused little brothers. And there's some out there who millitantly Look out for their disadvantaged brothers. Anders brehvik was totally all about immigration (sic)

Eh ......... em .......... I think you might be ....... eh ........... what???

Piliger · 08-12-2014 12:27AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I know why they do what they do ...

You must be the only one on the planet in that case. Congratulations on your genius-ship.

ALiasEX · 08-12-2014 12:55AM

"Pedophilia is a sexual orientation" according to http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/July/pessimism-about-pedophilia

Piliger · 08-12-2014 01:06AM

ALiasEX wrote: »

"Pedophilia is a sexual orientation" according to http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/July/pessimism-about-pedophilia

You should read it before you reference it.

"Classified as a paraphilia, .."

"The understanding of pedophilia has evolved over time, so each successive edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) has defined this disorder in a slightly different way."

And as pointed out many times in this thread, all of the research is on criminal paedophiles only.

And the DSM has been a running joke for a long time.

MadDog76 · 08-12-2014 02:09AM

Piliger wrote: »

You should read it before you reference it.

"Classified as a paraphilia, .."

"The understanding of pedophilia has evolved over time, so each successive edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) has defined this disorder in a slightly different way."

And as pointed out many times in this thread, all of the research is on criminal paedophiles only.

And the DSM has been a running joke for a long time.

"There is no cure, so the focus is on protecting children.

Pedophilia, the sexual attraction to children who have not yet reached puberty, remains a vexing challenge for clinicians and public officials. Classified as a paraphilia, an abnormal sexual behavior, researchers have found no effective treatment. Like other sexual orientations, pedophilia is unlikely to change. The goal of treatment, therefore, is to prevent someone from acting on pedophile urges — either by decreasing sexual arousal around children or increasing the ability to manage that arousal. But neither is as effective for reducing harm as preventing access to children, or providing close supervision."

Maybe you should read it too ...........

MadDog76 · 08-12-2014 02:18AM

looking_around wrote: »

"sexually interested in pain" ..also sounds as an orientation to you?

sounds like you're just trying to gear the definition to suit your side.

Here's the definition of sexual orientation.
"a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted".

No luck finding a definition about orientation that includes age, huh?

"Consensus now exists that pedophilia is a distinct sexual orientation, not something that develops in someone who is homosexual or heterosexual. Some people with pedophilic urges are also attracted to adults, and may act only on the latter urges. Because people with pedophilic urges tend to be attracted to children of a particular gender, they are sometimes described in the literature as heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual pedophiles. Roughly 9% to 40% of pedophiles are homosexual in their orientation toward children — but that is not the same as saying they are homosexual. Homosexual adults are no more likely than heterosexuals to abuse children."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletters/Harvard_Mental_Health_Letter/2010/July/pessimism-about-pedophilia

Piliger · 08-12-2014 03:02AM

You are only helping to undermine your certainty. It is clear that this report is all over the place and that the state of current research is too. Not to mention that they only research criminals.

Nothing you come up with supports your fundamentalist scorched earth dogma.

MadDog76 · 08-12-2014 04:36AM

Piliger wrote: »

You are only helping to undermine your certainty. It is clear that this report is all over the place and that the state of current research is too. Not to mention that they only research criminals.

Nothing you come up with supports your fundamentalist scorched earth dogma.

paedophile = criminal ..........

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2014 04:37AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

Classified as a paraphilia, an abnormal sexual behavior, researchers have found no effective treatment.

Like other sexual orientations, pedophilia is unlikely to change.

Are those two lines actually fron the same report? They pretty much contradict each other.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-12-2014 04:38AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

paedophile = criminal ..........

Then you can show me the legal act that states this? As in - just being a pedophile and not actually committing an act - is an offense?

floggg · 08-12-2014 10:13AM

MadDog76 wrote: »

I know why they do what they do, they can't help it because they were born that way ......... nonetheless they need to be hunted down and stopped.

You know this even though there is no conclusive research on the topic or generally accepted evidence based explanations for causation?

Fair play to you.

MadDog76 · 08-12-2014 05:03PM

floggg wrote: »

You know this even though there is no conclusive research on the topic or generally accepted evidence based explanations for causation?

Fair play to you.

What's the alternative???
They choose to be paedophiles, they choose to rape children or struggle with the urges ............ they choose to be ostracised from society and face imprisonment???

Use a little common sense people!!!

Shep_Dog · 08-12-2014 07:27PM

MadDog76 wrote: »

What's the alternative???
They choose to be paedophiles, they choose to rape children or struggle with the urges ............ they choose to be ostracised from society and face imprisonment???

Use a little common sense people!!!

Cognitive distortions are the key.

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