Hey, bleeding hearts and artists...

crockholm · 05-12-2014 08:54PM

who the fug wrote: »

Keith surely

That cat Went 12 rounds with his liver.

bodice ripper · 05-12-2014 08:54PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Going by this site, the liberal agenda is thriving.

yeah, all those dole bashing, public sector bashing, lock them up and throw away the key threads really give it away

Galwayguy35 · 05-12-2014 08:58PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

yeah, all those dole bashing, public sector bashing, lock them up and throw away the key threads really give it away

People have a different viewpoint on things, the lefties need to suck it up and realise this.

bodice ripper · 05-12-2014 09:00PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People have a different viewpoint on things, the lefties need to suck it up and realise this.

I still can't see that this board is crawling with liberal agenda. Unless perhaps you see it everywhere, like reds under the bed.

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:19PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Yeah, that we are a decade or two behind the rest of Western Europe on imjigration matters. We didn't receive many up until the late 90s. Give it time.

The Irish are very naive about immigration. For decades we exported people and when the roles were reversed many felt proud at Ireland's progress. Unfortunately we need only look at Britain to see the effects of large scale immigration from the third world. Across Europe the situation is similar.

Fortunately their is hope. People across Europe are waking up and reclaiming their heritage and demanding change.

Here is a great speech from the Sweden Democrats. I especially like how he destroys the commie fool at the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa4LtSgOeao

Nodin · 05-12-2014 09:23PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Fortunately their is hope. People across Europe are waking up and reclaiming their heritage and demanding change.

What does that mean, might I ask?

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:24PM

Nodin wrote: »

What does that mean, might I ask?

White Christian.

Nodin · 05-12-2014 09:26PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

White Christian.

That's supposedly the heritage bit, but I actually wanted to know what "reclaim" referred to. Reclaim the heritage from who? what?

The Backwards Man · 05-12-2014 09:29PM

Yay, more Floyd references!

That one looks Jewish!
And that one's a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint!
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot!

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

That's supposedly the heritage bit, but I actually wanted to know what "reclaim" referred to. Reclaim the heritage from who? what?

Endless of waves of immigration. The tribes of man are not meant to live together. Good fences make good neighbors. Watch the clip I posted and you will understand.

Now a question for you. Why do we need third world immigration and 'diversity'? Why is only white countries that 'need' diversity?

Nodin · 05-12-2014 09:31PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Yay, more Floyd references!

That one looks Jewish!
And that one's a coon!
Who let all of this riff-raff into the room?
There's one smoking a joint!
And another with spots!
If I had my way,
I'd have all of you shot!

Are you sure that's Floyd and not a letter to the daily mail?

Nodin · 05-12-2014 09:37PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Endless of waves of immigration.

....don't know about you my son, but me being Irish doesn't change because of immigrants in the country.

Earl Turner wrote: »

The tribes of man are not meant to live together. Good fences make good neighbors.

Theres no such thing as the "tribes of man" as far as I know.

Earl Turner wrote: »

Watch the clip I posted and you will understand.

I read links, but I'll rarely watch a clip over 2-3 minutes long.

Earl Turner wrote: »

Now a question for you. Why do we need third world immigration and 'diversity'? Why is only white countries that 'need' diversity?

Occassionally people want to come here and occasionally it suits the state and society to let them. Some will train here, some will live here. I'm unaware of anyone stating that "only white countries" need diversity.

And to be honest, there is no such thing as "white countries".

The Backwards Man · 05-12-2014 09:40PM

Nodin wrote: »

Are you sure that's Floyd and not a letter to the daily mail?

Interchangeable, as you can see from this year's Mail AGM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDY0DfEjmo

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:41PM

Nodin wrote: »

....don't know about you my son, but me being Irish doesn't change because of immigrants in the country.

Theres no such thing as the "tribes of man" as far as I know.

I read links, but I'll rarely watch a clip over 2-3 minutes long.

Occassionally people want to come here and occasionally it suits the state and society to let them. Some will train here, some will live here. I'm unaware of anyone stating that "only white countries" need diversity.

And to be honest, there is no such thing as "white countries".

Oh yes I forgot, you can't call yourself white anymore. That's racist. Of course you didn't watch. I'm everything you hate in the world, a white person who doesn't hate himself. The only people you hate more are working class white people who have to deal the reality of mass immigration. A bit like the thousands of white girls in Britain who were culturally enriched by Pakistanis.

RobYourBuilder · 05-12-2014 09:42PM

And to be honest, there is no such thing as "white countries".

Countries where the indigenous people are White can be called White countries.

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:45PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Countries were the indigenous people are White are White countries.

The same way countries where the indigenous people are black are Black countries. But Nodin and his kind would never, ever tell a black person there are no black countries. That would be racist!

RayM · 05-12-2014 09:48PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Oh yes I forgot, you can't call yourself white anymore. That's racist. Of course you didn't watch. I'm everything you hate in the world, a white person who doesn't hate himself. The only people you hate more are working class white people who have to deal the reality of mass immigration. A bit like the thousands of white girls in Britain who were culturally enriched by Pakistanis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4zWdSxKYFo

bodice ripper · 05-12-2014 09:48PM

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

Countries where the indigenous people are White can be called White countries.

so....the US, Australia, New Zealand...not white?

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 09:49PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

so....the US, Australia, New Zealand...not white?

Who built those nations?

RobYourBuilder · 05-12-2014 09:50PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

so....the US, Australia, New Zealand...not white?

Unless you consider Native Americans, Maoris and Aboriginals white, then no.

Nodin · 05-12-2014 09:53PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Oh yes I forgot, you can't call yourself white anymore. That's racist. Of course you didn't watch. I'm everything you hate in the world, a white person who doesn't hate himself. .

I'm a Republican, and don't have this self hating thing you seem to believe exists.

"white" is a term so vague in practice as to be meaningless. Who has been considered "white" has varied greatly over the centuries.

Earl Turner wrote: »

The only people you hate more are working class white people who have to deal the reality of mass immigration. A bit like the thousands of white girls in Britain who were culturally enriched by Pakistanis.

And is that kind of thing unique to that community?

Robyourbuilder wrote:

Countries where the indigenous people are White can be called White countries.

Caucasian perhaps, but "white" means nothing. Neither does "black", for that matter.

Straylight · 05-12-2014 09:57PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Fortunately their is hope. People across Europe are waking up and reclaiming their heritage and demanding change.

Earl Turner wrote: »

White Christian.

I'm one of those, and while my mother would like to think I'm both, I certainly don't identify as Christian, and haven't for a very long time. So tell me now what it is I'm supposed to be reclaiming.

I'm pretty sure I'm not demanding any sort of change either, I'm very happy with how Ireland has become multi-cultural, in the same way that for years Irish people contributed to the multi-multiculturalism of many other countries.

TheBeardedLady · 05-12-2014 09:59PM

bodice ripper wrote: »

To be fair, this may be simultaneously occuring in the real world, but I haven't noticed because I would avoid discussing social issues wiht anyone i don't know really well.

Don't. That's my advice. I'd awful experiences of this in the last 5 years. I used to bring in controversial topics to discuss with my adult Spanish students to make the class more interesting only to discover that people I had down as open-minded were close-minded as fook when it came to big issues, I heard opinions such as "Franco was the greatest leader Spain ever had!" (that particular class was great; 2 students left the room shaking never to return), "The Chinese are smelly, dirty, violent people!" (everyone agreed) and "Women are too bitchy to ever make it to top positions"(3 women decided upon this). People I liked completely went down in my estimation, so I've learnt to avoid topics like that completely,although they come up now and then regardless. I just don't go there with people I don't know very well and who I want to continue to like but who I don't have to be friends with.

My friends and most of my family would share similar values to me, so that's never an issue and it's perhaps why I get such a shock on Boards on a regular basis - I never discuss these topics with people in the real world whereas we all give our opinions on here on topics without being asked.

Most of us would probably get along very well in the real world if these things never came up.

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 10:00PM

Straylight wrote: »

I'm one of those, and while my mother would like to think I'm both, I certainly don't identify as Christian, and haven't for a very long time. So tell me now what it is I'm supposed to be reclaiming.

I'm pretty sure I'm not demanding any sort of change either, I'm very happy with how Ireland has become multi-cultural, in the same way that for years Irish people contributed to the multi-multiculturalism of many other countries.

Of course not everyone is demanding change but many are. Why else is the right gaining ground all across Europe?

bodice ripper · 05-12-2014 10:01PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Who built those nations?

immigrants.

Earl Turner · 05-12-2014 10:03PM

TheBeardedLady wrote: »

Don't. That's my advice. I'd awful experiences of this in the last 5 years. I used to bring in controversial topics to discuss with my adult Spanish students to make the class more interesting only to discover that people I had down as open-minded were close-minded as fook when it came to big issues, I heard opinions such as "Franco was the greatest leader Spain ever had!" (that particular class was great; 2 students left the room shaking never to return), "The Chinese are smelly, dirty, violent people!" (everyone agreed) and "Women are too bitchy to ever make it to top positions"(3 women decided upon this). People I liked completely went down in my opinion, so I've learnt to avoid topics like that completely,although they come up now and then regardless. I just don't go there with people I don't know very well and who I want to continue to like but who I don't have to be friends with.

My friends and most of my family would share similar values to me, so that's never an issue and it's perhaps why I get such a shock on Boards on a regular basis - I never discuss these topics with people in the real world whereas we all give our opinions on here on topics without being asked.

We'd probably all get along very well in the real world if these things never came up.

So you were shocked that adults had opinions of their own? That the world is not one big happy family?

Karl Stein · 05-12-2014 10:06PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Who built those nations?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhu4T_vwxIU

Shrap · 05-12-2014 10:07PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

People have a different viewpoint on things, the lefties need to suck it up and realise this.

Classic single-track response, tbh. Yes, absolutely people have different viewpoints. The trick is not to pigeon hole the person you're trying to get to relate to you.

bodice ripper wrote: »

I still can't see that this board is crawling with liberal agenda. Unless perhaps you see it everywhere, like reds under the bed.

And a classic "You're just paranoid", again with the polarisation I'm afraid.

The polarisation of positions seems to me to be based on people's fears (always the basis for a convinced position on anything - "they're all out to get me, and I have proof" or "nobody is out to get you, there's no agenda, what planet are you on?") being realised the instant they go about discussing or searching for topical information/proof/forums on the internet.

If you take a "liberal lefties, PC gone mad" approach to feeling fearful of the future, you will find ample shouting room on-line, whereas a few years ago, you'd have still been the lone loon at a dinner party/pub bar banging on in one vein till you're the only one left. Same goes for if you take the "small town Ireland is rife with RCC fundies" approach to fear for the future. Take "feminists taking our houses and children". Take "misogyny responsible for anything bad happening to a woman". Take any approach, if you want to be convinced of something, you will be.

I personally blame the new wave of shouty internet stuff on the latest generation who have grown up with access to all the blinkered (single-track) ideals without an education system that has kept up with them. There is no encouragement of critical thinking, in school or any other place, and people are trying piecemeal to make sense of the state of the world. It's no bloody wonder they try to find the answers in an ideal that appeals to them as true, and then go about trying to educate everybody else.

We're all idealists, but we've lost the trick of face-to-face discussions, where the etiquette (very educational) is to listen to someone's point and try to see it from their position. And who cares anyway? We're all avatars. Very depressing tbh.

Good luck if you read that

Manach · 05-12-2014 10:10PM

While in the context of the OP's question it is somewhat hartening to see at least a flowering of economic conservatism over the past few years.

On the question of nation building, one is reminded of the Roman way by incorporating diverse elements in their society but in a way that conformed to Roman ideals without any trace of self-apology that seems de-rigeur in today's Western society.

RobYourBuilder · 05-12-2014 10:11PM

Straylight wrote: »

I'm very happy with how Ireland has become multi-cultural, in the same way that for years Irish people contributed to the multi-multiculturalism of many other countries.

The rest of the West is moving away from attempting multiculturalism and moving towards an integration model. Can you name a country where multiculturalism is a success and where the native people also benefitted from it? If you cannot, why do think that it will be different in Ireland?

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