The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

robindch wrote: »

Well, if you'd like to expand your explanation for life, the universe and everything beyond "sheeple", I'm sure you'll find the science-based side all ears.

If anything, I find the word "sheeple" adequately describes creationists. I suppose next he'll say the fossil record is a Marxist conspiracy or some bollocks like that. :rolleyes:

Its amazing the number of theories that are attributed in this thread to a poster who hasnt declared any position.

Is that what goes for scientific debate here ? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Colonialboy wrote: »

Its amazing the number of theories that are attributed in this thread to a poster who hasnt declared any position.

Is that what goes for scientific debate here ? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Hi Colonialboy ... welcome aboard!!!:)
The merest hint that you might have any doubts about evolution is sufficient for many people on this thread to conclude that you are some kind of 'Creationist'.

... and this despite the fact that almost all of the leading evolutionists in the world, harbour serious doubts over the validity of 'molecules to man' evolution.

... strange, but true.:)

robindch wrote: »

Well, if you'd like to expand your explanation for life, the universe and everything beyond "sheeple", I'm sure you'll find the science-based side all ears.

Thanks Robin ... but I'd like to point out that Creation Scientists normally have only two ears.;)

SW wrote: »

whether anything exists between them is another matter entirely! :P

A miracle of Evolution ... or a fiat act of God ... AKA a Human Brain exists there ... and I'll let you decide whether you believe in materialistic miracles ... or God as the explanation!!!:P

SW wrote: »

Sorry, JC, just couldn't resist

... I see ... you can resist everything ... except temptation!!!:)

Pherekydes wrote: »

God gave you a brain, but will send you to hell for wasting its talents!!!! :pac:

We shouldn't waste our God-given talents ... and we should work and contribute to society.
However, we cannot gain Heaven by using our talents ... and we won't end up in Hell for not doing so.
... the key issue for our Salvation is whether we believe on Jesus Christ to Save us ... or not.

At least some of J C's posts seem to require an effort (both to write and to read without banging your head in frustration).

SW wrote: »

against my better judgement but I cant let that go without a making a modern uptodate and unbiased scientific contribution, cos someone needs to make truly modern scientific contributions to this thing.

Its a pretty picture just dont mention the Damnisi skulls....

This time Im really done, I really dont like mutual admiration societys pretending to be science and am just too busy in my work.

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Originally Posted by Michael Nugent
My personal suggestion would be a symbol of nature, or of the universe, that religious people could identify with as a symbol of nature or the universe as created by their god, and that atheists could identify with as a symbol of nature or the universe as naturally evolved.

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I don't agree with your logic here. Most religious people believe in evolution, in fact I would say all Catholics do. Creating that kind of distinction of interpretation (between the evolution believing atheist as apposed to the Grand designer view of people of religion) could cause further animosity between atheists and theists. Furthermore as an atheist I have no wish to worship the theory of evolution or create symbolism around it. I find that kind of pseudo religious thinking around scientific theory a bit disturbing tbh.

Firstly, it's a fact ... that there is a great deal of pseudo religious thinking around Evolution, in all of its many-faceted manifestations. This is to be expected from something that attempts to replace God as Creator of the Universe with the blind forces of Nature.

Secondly, it is a fact that all Roman Catholics, in good standing with their Church, believe that all things were Created by God ... and they proclaim this as their personal belief every Sunday at Mass when they say the Apostles or Nicene Creed.
Thirdly, why should there be any animosity between Christians and Atheists?
We have widely divergent views on the existence of God and many other follow-on beliefs (and none of this is about to change any time soon) ... but why should this create any animosity?
... can we not respect each others differences and each others right to publicly express these differences, while sharing whatever common beliefs we may have as well?
Some of the most interesting theological (or should that be atheological) discussions that I have had, have been with my atheist friends ... and we continue to be friends ... because we all respect the fact that we have different beliefs and perspectives ... and we aren't trying to come up with some kind of fake consensus ... or a 'winner takes all' end point.

... and when it comes to symbols and other expressions of our different beliefs, surely we can tolerate and respect these things in any society worthy of the name pluralist?
... and rather than cutting down our symbols of belief with angle grinders ... should we not be respecting and protecting these symbols ... and making a point of re-erecting them whenever somebody decides to express their intolerance by destroying them?
I also think that proposing to erect something else, that may actually please nobody, in their place, certainly isn't the way forward.
... and I'd say the exact same thing if somebody destroyed a monument to evolution or any other monument that Atheists might like to erect to express their world-view.
The true measure of inclusivity and pluralism is the degree to which communities with different beliefs accommodate and respect these differences.
Trying to get lowest common denominator expressions of consensus belief (other than a consensus to respect and care for each other) is a bit of a waste of time IMO ... and isn't actually respecting our differences at all.
It also isn't needed for good community relations where everybody respects the right of everybody else to be different and to hold and express different opinions and beliefs (within the bounds of common decency and the law).

J C wrote: »

Great evidence for a Common Creator allright!!!:P

Thanks for the 'heads up' SW

So who created the creator then? Inb4 "god always existed ".

SW wrote: »

You didn't understand the post judging by your response.

I understood it allright ... I didn't agree with it much ... though.:)

oscarBravo wrote: »

So you've mentioned the Dmanisi skulls. Were you planning to make an actual point about them, or were you just using them as a passive-aggressive mic-drop before flouncing out of the conversation without actually contributing anything useful?

Hmm...sounds a lot like mickrock's "contributions" to me. I've probably summoned him like Beetlejuice, haven't I?

Brian Shanahan wrote: »

Just don't say it three times.

You're not superstitious, surely?:eek: