Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

Harry Palmr · 01-12-2014 10:36PM

I wish Liverpool would stop signing racists!

Knex* · 01-12-2014 10:36PM

CSF wrote: »

This actually pretty much is the Dave Whelan argument.

The latter or the former?

CSF · 01-12-2014 10:43PM

Knex. wrote: »

The latter or the former?

The last part in particular. I mean I'm sure this particular offence is worthy of a fine and a warning only but to be doing the 'pc gone mad' thing is an absolute nonsense.

It isn't ok to be tweeting racist things.

5starpool · 01-12-2014 10:45PM

Footballers should be fined by clubs every time they tweet, never mind only when they tweet inappropriate stuff.

Chucky the tree · 01-12-2014 10:45PM

Knex. wrote: »

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Its a terrible 'joke', but its clear Mario didn't make the image himself, or didn't intend any malice behind it. Then again, the contrast of the first line saying, "Don't be racist", and the last line being, "Grab coins like a jew", is ironically funny. Doubt Mario realised it, though!

Anyway, no worse than someone saying, "Drink like the Irish'. I doubt anyone here would give a toss if he did.

The difference is saying "drink like the Irish" would probably be given as a compliment, so it's a bit different. The history with Jewish people is very different and saying "grab coins like a Jew" is pretty offensive. Instead of saying "drink like the Irish" it said "Blow people up like the Irish" then I think a lot of Irish people wouldn't be too pleased.

~Rebel~ · 01-12-2014 10:54PM

Really stupid thing for him to put up. Not as bad as the Ferdinand "choc-ice" thing against Ashley Cole, but still incredibly stupid. Definitely gonna get some form of punishment.

Knex* · 01-12-2014 10:57PM

CSF wrote: »

The last part in particular. I mean I'm sure this particular offence is worthy of a fine and a warning only but to be doing the 'pc gone mad' thing is an absolute nonsense.

It isn't ok to be tweeting racist things.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

The difference is saying "drink like the Irish" would probably be given as a compliment so it's a bit different The history with Jewish people is very different and saying "grab coins like a Jew" is pretty offensive. Instead of of saying "drink like the Irish" it said "Blow people up like the Irish" then I think a lot of Irish people wouldn't be too pleased.

Valid point, actually. Although without wanting to get too far into it, I think your example about the irish is more extreme than the money stereotype. Its actually going more towards making a holocaust joke, although that would be worse again.

Still, I think the issue here is probably that Mario didn't even realize that the joke behind the image was the contrast between the "Don't be racist", and then the racial stereotype "Grab coins like a jew". If a comedian delivered that on stage, it would get a laugh I feel. People would understand the context/concept and its obviously more acceptable for a comedian on stage to deliver it, than a footballer tweeting.

I can see why he shouldn't be posting it though, and Chucky's point does put a better perspective on it.

I still think a lot of outrage that would stem from it to be over the top though, as there always seems to be people just looking for an excuse to shame.

A mistake on Mario's part, but I'd be surprised if he meant anything behind it. Tbh, I'd nearly wager he didn't even realise it was there at all until people called him on it. But obviously that's impossible to know.

mosstin · 01-12-2014 11:03PM

Knex. wrote: »

Valid point, actually. Although without wanting to get too far into it, I think your example about the irish is more extreme than the money stereotype. Its actually going more towards making a holocaust joke, although that would be worse again.

Still, I think the issue here is probably that Mario didn't even realize that the joke behind the image was the contrast between the "Don't be racist", and then the racial stereotype "Grab coins like a jew". If a comedian delivered that on stage, it would get a laugh I feel. People would understand the context/concept and its obviously more acceptable for a comedian on stage to deliver it, than a footballer tweeting.

I can see why he shouldn't be posting it though, and Chucky's point does put a better perspective on it.

I still think a lot of outrage that would stem from it to be over the top though, as there always seems to be people just looking for an excuse to shame.

A mistake on Mario's part, but I'd be surprised if he meant anything behind it. Tbh, I'd nearly wager he didn't even realise it was there at all until people called him on it. But obviously that's impossible to know.

It's offensive, no way around it. Like John Delaney singing Republican songs, it's inappropriate behaviour for a public figure (or a private one either). Not sure what's worse with these tweets - the tweets themselves or those claiming it's only banter and citing the PC excuse.

Augmerson · 01-12-2014 11:06PM

Ah Mario.

I don't think it's racist but it's in poor taste at best. You've thousands of people looking at what you put up on the internet. Maybe think twice before putting stuff like this up.

I'd rather he be in the headlines for scoring goals not this ****e.

monkey9 · 01-12-2014 11:29PM

Fine him and move on. I'm already bored at the thought of the press coverage this will get.

delw · 01-12-2014 11:30PM

Is there a chance Mario could be banned for games or just fined?

~Rebel~ · 01-12-2014 11:30PM

Augmerson wrote: »

Ah Mario.

I don't think it's racist but it's in poor taste at best. You've thousands of people looking at what you put up on the internet. Maybe think twice before putting stuff like this up.

I'd rather he be in the headlines for scoring goals not this ****e.

Public figures on twitter...it's such a bad idea for anyone who doesn't really consider what they're putting out into the world. They should really just stop and think "would this be ok if i shouted it out in a public place right now", and if it's not, don't tweet it.

Kerrigooney · 01-12-2014 11:34PM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Public figures on twitter...it's such a bad idea for anyone who doesn't really consider what they're putting out into the world. They should really just stop and think "would this be ok if i shouted it out in a public place right now", and if it's not, don't tweet it.

If I shouted out my tweets in a public place I'd be arrested. Or worse. But no one pays any attention to me so it's grand. Mario should've known better.

Harry Palmr · 01-12-2014 11:39PM

I've said it more times than i care to recall - no footballer should be allowed a twitter account, make it part of the contract.

monkey9 · 01-12-2014 11:42PM

To put that out on Twitter at anytime is a bad move, but to do it in the light of recent stuff with Dave Whelan and the Malkay McKay appointment is just plain daft.

OwaynOTT · 01-12-2014 11:55PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I'm just home from work and too to tired respond to this character assassination but your card is marked. Oh yes.

Another thing yourself and Johnson have in common. Him as a footballer and you as a ageing lothario such as yourself.

Regards the Balotelli thingy, I'm just glad someone bought a WiiU.

shamrock55 · 02-12-2014 12:01AM

I thought it was really funny tbh, i dont think he ment to cause offense, people need to lighten up abit, lifes too short

mosstin · 02-12-2014 12:04AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

I thought it was really funny tbh, i dont think he ment to cause offense, people need to lighten up abit, lifes too short

Hate this bloody attitude, really do. The lad's an idiot and this was an idiotic thing to do.

shamrock55 · 02-12-2014 12:06AM

mosstin wrote: »

Hate this bloody attitude, really do. The lad's an idiot and this was an idiotic thing to do.

And i hate yours, its a bloody joke get over it ffs, all i can say is thank god balo isnt white

Agent Coulson · 02-12-2014 12:09AM

Steven Gerrard offered place on Liverpool coaching staff as part of new contract.

Liverpool are prepared to give Steven Gerrard a place on the club’s coaching staff once he ends his playing career as they fight to keep their captain beyond this season.
Gerrard received an offer to extend his contract two weeks ago and is considering whether to stay with his boyhood team. There is no possibility that he would sign for another English club, but a move abroad is conceivable. His current deliberations have nothing to do with the salary offer and are solely about how much of a contribution he will make on the field over the next two years.
It is a dilemma for the Liverpool captain, who would have anticipated the contract offer arriving much sooner, and he must decide if he can readjust to the possibility of spending more time as a substitute at Anfield when foreign clubs will guarantee him a starting place. He is free to discuss a move with overseas clubs from Jan 1.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/steven-gerrard/11266906/Steven-Gerrard-offered-place-on-Liverpool-coaching-staff-as-part-of-new-contract.html

mada999 · 02-12-2014 12:26AM

Finical wrote: »

Hi guys,

Fairly new to Dublin. Just wondering does anyone have any pubs I could catch the game on tomorrow. Fairly sure it's on BTsport. If a pub in Drumcondra shows the games that would be great. Otherwise I'm open to all suggestions.

Thanks guys!

The Big Tree ?

mosstin · 02-12-2014 12:37AM

shamrock55 wrote: »

And i hate yours, its a bloody joke get over it ffs, all i can say is thank god balo isnt white

It's the casual acceptance of it all which bothers me.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 02-12-2014 01:22AM

delw wrote: »

Is there a chance Mario could be banned for games or just fined?

Difficult to say. Rio Ferdinant got a fine, Suaraz got 10 games. Terry got 4. It could be anythign from a slap on the wrist to a suspension for rest of the year.

~Rebel~ · 02-12-2014 01:25AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Difficult to say. Rio Ferdinant got a fine, Suaraz got 10 games. Terry got 4. It could be anythign from a slap on the wrist to a suspension for rest of the year.

To be fair, it's probably the least of those issues - they were all cases of racism directed at someone in particular.

I'd be surprised if he got more than a fine to be honest. The club should punish him as well with a few weeks wages or some such.

thebaz · 02-12-2014 01:45AM

Mario B adds a little colour to the sterile world of football - hate racism , but the powers that be need to loosen up - should hip hop music be banned ?

The FA will get all high and mighty and ban him , and if not the BBC will be up in arms, as if he went on a neo nazi march - people need to lighten up , and tackle more serious issues in the world than a mere inappropriate tweet - somehow i seriously doubt Mario is racist , just a plain old football on a barren run.

citytillidie · 02-12-2014 02:22AM

Augmerson wrote: »

Citytillidie should setup the thread, he was our good luck charm against Stoke.

I dunno about that this season I am at a 50% win rate

Liverpool 0 V 1 Aston Villa
Liverpool 2 V 1 WBA
Newcastle 1 V 0 Liverpool
Liverpool 1 V 0 Stoke

Overall I am
Liverpool 4 V 1 Norwich
Liverpool 1 v 0 Ipswich
Liverpool 1 V 0 Spurs
Liverpool 2 V 1 Reading
Liverpool 4 V 0 Stoke
Liverpool 1 V 2 Arsenal
Newcastle 2 V 2 Liverpool
Liverpool 0 V 1 Aston Villa
Liverpool 2 V 1 WBA
Newcastle 1 V 0 Liverpool
Liverpool 1 V 0 Stoke

PL 11 W 7 D 1 L 3 F18 A9 Win percentage of 63.64%

And to come
Liverpool V Arsenal
Liverpool V Spurs
Liverpool V Burnley

And any home FA Cup games

citytillidie · 02-12-2014 02:27AM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Last four have all been wins, so on a good run. was even there for 2 Downing goals!

Blah I can beat that I seen Harry Kewell and Javier Mascherano score

8-10 · 02-12-2014 06:57AM

citytillidie wrote: »

Blah I can beat that I seen Harry Kewell and Javier Mascherano score

I saw BalotellI score! :P

02-12-2014 07:17AM

Is Ballotellis mother actually Jewish?

That bit actually passed me by yesterday.

Should he just pick up a fine I'd ban him anyway for being sheeeeeeeeet

The Moldy Gowl · 02-12-2014 07:49AM

That joke has been around for years.

Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

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