Fury v Chisora II

Hachiko wrote: »

exactly, he is all flab, any of them heavyweights of times gone by would destroy that tyson fury guy, Mike Tyson I am pretty sure would have him killed.

I watched this out of curiosity to see what all the fuss was, and it was a farce, the referee practically telling them to box.

worst every fight.

they had the thriller in manilla all them years ago and now this....

zzzzzzzzzzzz, watching my christmas lights twinkle was more riveting.

I think you would probably better off watching UFC or wrestling or Peppa Pig to be honest.

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

Your right . Also showed that you need some sort of boxing skill. You can't rely on one big punch against decent fighters. Even with this " power " he has he didn't once look like he could get Saunders out of there. You could see his shots coming a mile away knocking himself over with wild swings. I don't see a career for him in boxing. As for his father a disgrace in the corner the disrespect he showed was shocking.

It's a bit early to say that imo. He's still only 25, and a relatively inexperienced 25 year old. If he'd gone in with a different gameplan he could've easily won that fight. He's got some decent tools and if he can improve in other areas he could still go on to have a decent career.

qwabercd wrote: »

It's a bit early to say that imo. He's still only 25, and a relatively inexperienced 25 year old. If he'd gone in with a different gameplan he could've easily won that fight. He's got some decent tools and if he can improve in other areas he could still go on to have a decent career.

He's 25 the first half decent fighter he faced he was found out.

He hasn't got the tools for any other gameplan other than look for the big punch. The only tool I saw last night was uppercut on the inside

walshb wrote: »

Embarrass him how? You'd swear Fury was some 20 year veteran who had been in the ring with every quality HW who ever lived? He's done very little himself.

I'd like to hear a breakdown of how Fury embarrasses a 6 feet 6 inch Olympic SHW champion who has now close on two years pro experience

I prefer to look at their strengths and weaknesses. I can't see much embarrassment for Joshua when I look at these.

I believe either of them could KO the other, and either of them could win a decision. I don't see how either is a clear favorite in both scenarios. If I had to bet on it I'd take the hugely more aggressive and heavy handed Joshua to get the KO before Fury. I also don't envisage a clear decision win for either man. Saying this, I can't see any how an embarrassment is so likely in Fury's favor. Apart from a KO, which can happen in any fight, where's the embarrassment?

I have to say whether Joshua may be ready or not now, it's not the approach to take. There's lessons to be learned from David Price, who was an excellent amateur who medalled at the Olympics, won Gold at the Commonwealth games, is 6'8 and a massive puncher. He turns pro, looks to have an excellent jab, is controlling his opposition easily and sparking most of them in a couple of rounds.
It was widely believed by many that he was the biggest threat to Wlad out there and that a win over Tony Thompson would be a formality.
Price had already disposed of big Heavyweights in Tom Dallas and Audley Harrison, and with handling his opposition so easily already sure a skilled and big Heavyweight like Thompson wouldn't be too much trouble either ?

We all know what happened to Price, it was actually such a big upset he was still a favourite in the rematch, but barring maybe Bakhtov, Joshua hasn't beaten anyone to the level Skelton, Harrison, Sexton and McDermott were at that time (he did beat an even older SKelton), and as far as I'm aware he hasn't beat anyone over 6'3. Bakhtov, the best guy he's faced is a mere 5'11 1/2, so how do we know he's capable of beating a good quality 6'5/6'6 Heavyweight, when he's never faced either a good quality heavyweight or a tall Heavyweight ?

Also the fact he was Olympic Gold medallist isn't that relevant, so was Audley Harrison, only Harrison actually deserved his. Joshua deserved his Silver at the World's, but as I mentioned in another thread recently he had his head boxed off against the Cuban Savon in the first round of the Olympics and still got the decision.
Kevin Johnson is an excellent next fight for him, a good learning fight and will tell us a bit more about him. But I really don't think you could contemplate putting him in with a top 5 Heavyweight right now.


As regards what a couple of people have said about Heiland beating BJS, it's very unlikely. Heiland is a good fighter but was very flattered by the Macklin fight. He looks terrific when a guy stands there with him and allows him to tee off but he struggles with lateral movement and fighters darting in and out quite badly. Macklin laid on the ropes for half the fight and most of the other half he went back in straight lines. Saunders spins off at angles and most in and out very quickly, his footwork would be a nightmare for Heiland do deal with and Heiland's only chance would be if Saunders tires late on and he sometimes does.

People can react a bit too much to one fight, if you say Spike O'Sullivan's last fight and BJS's from last night you'd say Spike definitely ko's him. But they fought not that long ago and Spike was made to look very pedestrian, could barely lay a glove on him and lost almost every round.

walshb wrote: »

Joshua isn't Price, and he isn't Harrisson. I think he is a lot better. He isn't Ali or Lennox Lewis either, but Fury for me is not all that great. Right now I would back Joshua by early KO. Could Fury survive the early assaults and take Joshua into deep waters? Yes. But could Joshua swim well there? Yes. Maybe Joshua will go another 10 fights knocking out men in 1 and 2 rds, and do we still say wait?

There's a good chance he isn't, but why rush him ?
Why take the risk, when the chances of him winning dramatically increase with every few months of training and every fight he has.
Kevin Johnson as I said is an excellent opponent for him, and while Johnson will likely just try to go the distance, if he's putting him away in 1 or 2 rounds then you have to put Joshua in a different category than the one he's in.
Infact if he stops him at all and it isn't the classic premature British referee stoppage, then you'd have to say he's ready to be pushed a bit.

But you can't go from having a guy fighting a shot to pieces midget of a Heavyweight like Michael Sprott to fighting a genuine top 5 guy in Tyson Fury. It's not quite the same as putting Pete Rademacher in with Floyd Patterson, but it's getting there.
Even if he did win the fight (and I'm not saying he wouldn't, just I'd favour Fury), then he's probably forced into a fight with Wlad and it's stupidly early for that.

Personally I think Joshua has a bit of work to do on his defence. It's easy to avoid shots from guys 6 or 7 inches shorter than you, but even Bakhtov snuck in a few right hands. It's a different story trying to avoid shots from guys 3 inches taller than you.

Hachiko wrote: »

says the boxing expert, so you are telling me this tyson fury is a world class boxer. From what I have seen he more resembles an over weight asthmatic than a leading heavyweight boxer. I would love to set Pac of Mayweather loose on him and sort him out.

They'd probably get beaten in the end, but they'd sure cause Fury's knees a lot damage.

Hachiko wrote: »

not really tbh, Fury looks slightly unbalanced with all that flab, do the people here seriously believe Pac or Mayweather would lose to this over sized piece of flab with a slightly long reach (when he can be bothered to stretch his arm out that is)

Good lad, change your location setting from "Nirvana" to "cloud cuckoo land"

TbL

walshb wrote: »

I'm not seeing that talent at all in the pro.

He's getting worse with each fight but that is no surprise.

Hachiko wrote: »

not really tbh, Fury looks slightly unbalanced with all that flab, do the people here seriously believe Pac or Mayweather would lose to this over sized piece of flab with a slightly long reach (when he can be bothered to stretch his arm out that is)

Proof that drugs don't work.