Nosey next door neighbour attaches tap to our phone line and internet connection

Impetus · 29-11-2014 03:40PM #1

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/uk-spy-base-gchq-tapped-irish-internet-cables-1.2019492

Two can play that game…… Perhaps it is time the Irish Government set up an intelligence centre to snoop on all the GB fiber optic cables passing around the Irish coastline? The operation could be self-funding and staffed with the assistance of partner nations – such as China, Russia, Germany, India, and France (not forgetting one or two countries in the Middle East with deep pockets and a strong desire to know what can be leaked out of traffic between GB and the US).

Not unlike offshore energy, this is an un-tapped natural resource off the coastline.

The operation might start with an international conference on the subject of global e-spying, (in the context of post Snowden – something most people suspected anyway)…. inviting all but five eyes countries to send delegations.

Ireland has a substantial surplus in electricity generation capacity at present – the Bluffdale centre is estimated to require 75 MW of power. The Chinese might provide a TH-2 super computer, speed 34 PFLOPS. It would also have a huge demand for water – which is a “free” commodity in IRL.

Website traffic, internet searches, phone calls, Skype, emails, diplomatic and inter-government traffic, text messages, credit card transactions, ATM transactions, travel (eg sita.aero), health records – analyse and reference the data in a data warehouse and make it available to subscriber nations on a web portal system.

It could be a big source of employment too - perhaps several thousand people in the latest technology snoop factory. It could have a news agency division that would potentially be bigger than Bloomberg and Thomson Reuters.

According to a report in Suddeutsche Zeitung* newspaper GCHQ pay a certain British telco “millions a month” for access to some of its pipes. This could be a big money spinner for Ireland AG.

*http://international.sueddeutsche.de/post/103543418200/snowden-leaks-how-vodafone-subsidiary-cable

http://submarinecablemap.com

https://nsa.gov1.info/dni/2014/index.html

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/thema/Edward_Snowden

Mr. G · 29-11-2014 06:26PM

I'm not sure if the public would agree.

Impetus · 29-11-2014 07:14PM

Mr. G wrote: »

I'm not sure if the public would agree.

They wouldn't agree with what?

They like spying on neighbours, and being spied on?

Or the Irish public are all of the Anglo-Saxon mindset, global domination, supremacist, mindset?

In which case one would have to ask how often they visit China, Russia, France, Germany, etc and go out for a drink/meal with the locals/those "in power"?

Or perhaps you are suggesting that Ireland in general likes to support the theft of intellectual property?

I have no problem with law enforcement getting a court order to "listen" to a suspected criminal.

But in the 21st century travel is cheap, most people can afford to "kick the tyres" of the cultural attitues in a far away place. If they are prepared to engage with other cultures.

And I have no doubt in my mind that many people in GB/US/CA/AU/NZ have similar feelings.

Snowden has highlighted a culture of making enemies with the rest of the world.... for what purpose/objective?

Impetus · 07-12-2014 01:13PM

Are Irish people / business-owners too dumb to express protest at their telecommunications traffic being snooped on? There are money and jobs in providing a secure platform (ie country / legal infrastructure) for data. The zombie government appear to be equally clueless to the possibilities.

Since the Snowden revelation about Ireland being snooped secret courts have been created, using an insta-Act of the Dail to prevent media reporting on cases regarding tele-snooping. So much for national sovereignty, democracy and liberalism.

Theft of information is theft of intellectual property in all its forms.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/cantillon-where-s-the-outrage-over-gchq-spying-1.2027911

Mr. G · 08-12-2014 12:18AM

Impetus wrote: »

Are Irish people / business-owners too dumb to express protest at their telecommunications traffic being snooped on? There are money and jobs in providing a secure platform (ie country / legal infrastructure) for data. The zombie government appear to be equally clueless to the possibilities.

Since the Snowden revelation about Ireland being snooped secret courts have been created, using an insta-Act of the Dail to prevent media reporting on cases regarding tele-snooping. So much for national sovereignty, democracy and liberalism.

Theft of information is theft of intellectual property in all its forms.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/cantillon-where-s-the-outrage-over-gchq-spying-1.2027911

Call it a conspiracy theory, but RTE haven't made this news in the past few weeks. It was trending on Google news for 2 weeks and nothing. It hit local radio stations and Newstalk but not RTE. The problem is people don't know the revelations as much as they do in Germany. They're not being told. It seems too much a coincidence that they have said nothing from the time that Fitzgerald signed that new section into the Criminal Investigations Act.

I'd love to protest outside the Dáil about it and raise awareness, but the problem is people are either not interested, feel they have no voice and their opinion wouldn't matter. Look at what's happening in Shannon Airport, nothing was done about that and the Govt haven't listened. People have lost confidence in the Government. Hundreds of thousands of people protested against the water charges and its still going ahead.

It really annoys me that we don't get the same privacy rights online as you would expect in real life. They don't read our post but they can read our emails.
A lot of the problem I have about it is there is little public consultation and when there is they don't listen. Politicians in the is country, apart from a few such as Daragh Murphy (Data Protection minister) have little technical knowledge and don't fully understand these implications.

The road they're going down at the moment with child protection could be dangerous.

Who here actually cares about their privacy? It just seems so dead in the water. Either people don't care, have given up, lost interest or couldn't be arsed.

Professey Chin · 08-12-2014 01:21PM

Genuinely though this was gonna be about your actual next door neighbour on a ladder

Mr. G · 08-12-2014 05:07PM

Professey Chin wrote: »

Genuinely though this was gonna be about your actual next door neighbour on a ladder

So did I!

hmmm · 09-12-2014 11:35AM

Impetus wrote: »

The operation could be self-funding and staffed with the assistance of partner nations – such as China, Russia, Germany, India, and France (not forgetting one or two countries in the Middle East with deep pockets and a strong desire to know what can be leaked out of traffic between GB and the US).

We could call it "spying as a service" (SAAS) and you can pay it for by producing someone elses stolen credit card. Genius.

Streets_of Rage 2 Come_On · 12-12-2014 02:23AM

Heres two articles related, how the NSA hacks cellphone networks and how they tap submarine fibre optic cables.

https: // firstlook. org/theintercept/2014/12/04/nsa-auroragold-hack-cellphones/

http: // electrospaces .blogspot.ie/2014/11/incenser-or-how-nsa-and-gchq-are.html

Streets_of Rage 2 Come_On · 12-12-2014 02:28AM

The US trying to get at Microsofts servers here trial has been pushed back till March.

http: // arstechnica .com/tech-policy/2014/12/microsoft-tells-us-the-worlds-servers-are-not-yours-for-the-taking/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+arstechnica%2Findex+%28Ars+Technica+-+All+content%29

Nosey next door neighbour attaches tap to our phone line and internet connection

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