Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The Moldy Gowl · 26-11-2014 12:22PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Fergie never loaned him out. And LVG never gave him a chance whatsoever.

So basically you are basing your opinion on David Moyes.

Decisions to not play him or loan him or whatever.

I would trust David moyes opinion on a player he worked with for 10 months rather than someone in here, sure. He isn't some lad down in the pub with some notions about a player an his theory.

I'm sure David and lvg had been told about all the players when they started and were given advice about players.

They made the choice to not play him, for whatever reason. They haven't had a falling out with him, so it must be an informed reason rather than a reactive reason.

The Moldy Gowl · 26-11-2014 12:25PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You stick to giving us injury reports and crap jokes then. Most other posters are going to express and debate opinions on football and footballers.

Yeah I did give my opinion. That I trust the people who make the decisions regarding him.

What am I gonna do? Cry about a footballer and think I know better than the people whose job it is to report on him to the manager?

Or will we go just go with the notion that all the staff and managers are clueless and we know it all?

Pro. F · 26-11-2014 12:31PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yeah I did give my opinion. That I trust the people who make the decisions regarding him.

What am I gonna do? Cry about a footballer and think I know better than the people whose job it is to report on him to the manager?

Or will we go just go with the notion that all the staff and managers are clueless and we know it all?

Managers and their staff make incorrect decisions all the time, so there is room for discussion. You don't agree with that which is fair enough, nobody is forcing you to post here. But it begs the question, what are you doing on a football discussion forum? Everybody on here likes expressing opinions on players except for you.

26-11-2014 12:34PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whats inconsistent is people treating Nani differently to every other winger in the world. Di Maria often hits the first defender or loses the ball trying a spectulative pass, guess we should get rid of him too.

Now we are comparing Nani to Di Maria.....:rolleyes:

I will park it there

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:34PM

Quandary wrote: »

Valencia's sh1tness is also phenomenal. For a player that has gotten so much game time over the last 3 years he has gone backwards.

Don't get me wrong, I love his attitude and work rate too but every other aspect of him as a footballer is incredibly limited.

Sorry, last Saturday he showed he has learned how to hit the defender with the ball (yes he is an expert at that) but using it to create a goal.
He is improving

bucketybuck · 26-11-2014 12:38PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Now we are comparing Nani to Di Maria.....:rolleyes:

I will park it there

Equating two footballers who play the same position, what is the world coming to!!!

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:38PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Now we are comparing Nani to Di Maria.....:rolleyes:

I will park it there

Exactly, a major gulf in class.

I don't know about anyone else but in the break off for the Rooney goal, one couldn't but feel confident with Di Maria having the ball to do the pass for Rooney.
Just a pity he didn't score his own goal chance.

I don't want Nani back, rather we got more game time for Mata.

Pro. F · 26-11-2014 12:39PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Now we are comparing Nani to Di Maria.....:rolleyes:

I will park it there

You have made yourself look really dumb with that response.

26-11-2014 12:40PM

In other news;

Kagawa not playing well/ Inconsistency for BD / Klopp it seems.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/11/26/former-manchester-united-player-shinji-kagawa-can-play-better-sa/

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:41PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You have made yourself look really dumb with that response.

I don't think he has, put it this way, if we were to sell both players in January, what prices would we get for each and who would be interested in signing each.

26-11-2014 12:44PM

Pro. F wrote: »

You have made yourself look really dumb with that response.

In your Opinion. You should try not to generalise and try and talk for everybody.
He's trying to compare a player that has a gulf in class between them I don't care if there both wingers. One is World Class one is most certainly not.

Echo RobertKK's point.

The Moldy Gowl · 26-11-2014 12:45PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Managers and their staff make incorrect decisions all the time, so there is room for discussion. You don't agree with that which is fair enough, nobody is forcing you to post here. But it begs the question, what are you doing on a football discussion forum? Everybody on here likes expressing opinions on players except for you.

Sure they do, but they have access to make informed decisions. This nani thing has been going on for how long now? It's a waste of time. This debate goes around in circles. This isn't a case of why is rvp playing.

3 managers have been through nani. Clearly something more there than opinion.

I'll give my opinion on what I want. I have done so, just not on nani? I'm sorry I wasn't aware I had to give my opinion on a player who barely ever played in the last few years and this being done to death to the point of copy and pasting the replies. I'm just glad cleverley isn't here or you would be upset to find out I don't care about him either.

I couldn't care less about nani. He has barely played, we have moved on, for better or for worse, I trust the managers decision.

Any more digs?

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:45PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

In other news;

Kagawa not playing well/ Inconsistency for BD / Klopp it seems.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/11/26/former-manchester-united-player-shinji-kagawa-can-play-better-sa/

What a strange last comment in that article "Hopefully he will continue to justify their decision to move him on."
I think most would wish him the best and not what that comment suggests.

keane2097 · 26-11-2014 12:45PM

It's pretty obvious that Nani would improve the United squad at the moment with it's dearth of useful wingers, and that at his best would he be a major asset.

26-11-2014 12:49PM

RobertKK wrote: »

What a strange last comment in that article "Hopefully he will continue to justify their decision to move him on."
I think most would wish him the best and not what that comment suggests.

It's an odd one alright, maybe the authors trying to find comfort for the fans in the fact the Kagawa was sold.
He's also another player like Nani that splits opinion.

kryogen · 26-11-2014 12:49PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Decisions to not play him or loan him or whatever.

I would trust David moyes opinion on a player he worked with for 10 months rather than someone in here, sure. He isn't some lad down in the pub with some notions about a player an his theory.

I'm sure David and lvg had been told about all the players when they started and were given advice about players.

They made the choice to not play him, for whatever reason. They haven't had a falling out with him, so it must be an informed reason rather than a reactive reason.

How would you explain Moyes giving him a 5 year contract?

bucketybuck · 26-11-2014 12:50PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

He's trying to compare a player that has a gulf in class between them I don't care if there both wingers. One is World Class one is most certainly not.

And all you are doing is proving my original post to be correct, you are applying different standards to Nani than you are to other wingers in world football.

kryogen · 26-11-2014 12:51PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Now we are comparing Nani to Di Maria.....:rolleyes:

I will park it there

While Di Maria is a superior player to Nani they have some similarities alright.

The Moldy Gowl · 26-11-2014 12:52PM

kryogen wrote: »

How would you explain Moyes giving him a 5 year contract?

Resale value??
Try give nani confidence to play at his best by trying to convince him he is part of the long term plans?

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:54PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And all you are doing is proving my original post to be correct, you are applying different standards to Nani than you are to other wingers in world football.

Di Maria has goals and assists that I don't believe Nani would have if he was playing instead of Di Maria, which is great as he is only new to the club.
He offers far more than Nani ever did.

Rayne Wooney · 26-11-2014 12:56PM

Nani's best seasons for United, coincidentally the last and only times he's been given a long run in the team, would come close enough to Di Maria's best at Madrid

RobertKK · 26-11-2014 12:58PM

Had to laugh at Mourinho last night.

He talked about how teams don't go to Germany and win 5-0. I thought... well, David Moyes did it with United last year.

Pro. F · 26-11-2014 01:03PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Sure they do, but they have access to make informed decisions. This nani thing has been going on for how long now? It's a waste of time. This debate goes around in circles. This isn't a case of why is rvp playing.

3 managers have been through nani. Clearly something more there than opinion.

I'll give my opinion on what I want. I have done so, just not on nani? I'm sorry I wasn't aware I had to give my opinion on a player who barely ever played in the last few years and this being done to death to the point of copy and pasting the replies. I'm just glad cleverley isn't here or you would be upset to find out I don't care about him either.

I couldn't care less about nani. He has barely played, we have moved on, for better or for worse, I trust the managers decision.

Any more digs?

Your argument that the management are more informed than we are so there's no point in arguing against their decisions on players works for all players at all clubs. If you are to be consistent with your logic then there is no point debating who should be playing for any club, but 99% of posters on football club forums like doing it. I don't think that you have to have an opinion on any player, but I do think it would be better if you let the people who like to express and debate opinions on players have at it in the forum that caters to that.

RasTa · 26-11-2014 01:09PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

In other news;

Kagawa not playing well/ Inconsistency for BD / Klopp it seems.

http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/11/26/former-manchester-united-player-shinji-kagawa-can-play-better-sa/

I still can't believe we sold him for £6.3m

Pro. F · 26-11-2014 01:10PM

M!Ck^ wrote: »

In your Opinion. You should try not to generalise and try and talk for everybody.
He's trying to compare a player that has a gulf in class between them I don't care if there both wingers. One is World Class one is most certainly not.

Echo RobertKK's point.

The idea that there can be no comparisons drawn between Nani and Di Maria is dumb. There can be comparisons drawn between Di Maria and Paul McShane, the issue is what was the comparison and what point did the comparison illustrate. You refused to deal with the point by pretending that the two players could never be compared under any circumstances.

The Moldy Gowl · 26-11-2014 01:11PM

Naw. I'll do what I want and not be bullied into posting when I'm allowed.

Thanks for the tips though. There is a function you can avail of if you wish.

26-11-2014 01:20PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Nani's best seasons for United, coincidentally the last and only times he's been given a long run in the team, would come close enough to Di Maria's best at Madrid

Last thing I'm going to say on Nani.

His best season was 4+ years ago.
Some here are under the presumption that in 2014 / 2015 he's going to deliver consistently if he's now given a full run in the team for the rest of the season.

This generalisation that because a player hasn't been given 20+ games of a run in the team then he hasn't been given a chance.

If he's good enough and if he's at the standard that we should expect at UTD then he will do something to cement his place in one or two games and make himself un-droppable. The same for Kagawa etc..

Nani is one of the most frustrating players ever to wear a Utd shirt and a lot of Utd fans would share the same feeling.

Opinion / Rant over. On to the next.

bucketybuck · 26-11-2014 01:21PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Di Maria has goals and assists that I don't believe Nani would have if he was playing instead of Di Maria, which is great as he is only new to the club.
He offers far more than Nani ever did.

Your point isn't valid, Nani did have goals and assists for the club when he played, the stats confirm this.

Besides, Di Maria has what, 3 goals this season? Lets not get carried away here, I could easily see Nani having 3 goals had he played every game this season.

26-11-2014 01:24PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Your point isn't valid, Nani did have goals and assists for the club when he played, the stats confirm this.

Besides, Di Maria has what, 3 goals this season? Lets not get carried away here, I could easily see Nani having 3 goals had he played every game this season.

Di Maria has 6 assists, he's in the top 5.

26-11-2014 01:25PM

Until last season Nani had achieved far more than Di Maria. I don't know if it was bust ups or actual injuries but Fergie starting him in his last Champions League game should be an indicator of his ability.

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