Human overpopulation is problem

Vic_08 · 26-11-2014 02:58AM

Turtwig wrote: »

^^^From that website.

How pretentious. :mad:

No longer have the subscriptions, I'd be grateful if anyone linked to any of the myriad of papers detailing how "consumption" scales from a first world country to a third world. Think it was like 100 babies in Zaire was still only .1 an American infant - and that was when Zaire existed! It's worse now! Something along those lines. But yeah stop being excessive you poor people and stop wasting resources that you only really use in negligible quantities compared to us.

You misread that quote, it is calling on developed nations not developing nations to conserve resources.

the_syco · 26-11-2014 03:09AM

We need another war to lower the population count. Next war will be for resources; the poor overpopulated developing countries versus the developed countries with their human rights rules.

Turtwig · 26-11-2014 03:09AM

Vic_08 wrote: »

You misread that quote, it is calling on developed nations not developing nations to conserve resources.

Doh

Yep,

I did thanks.

A sign to sign off from serious stuff for the night.

Its Only Ray Parlour · 26-11-2014 07:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Over-population isn't the problem, over-consumption is.

At some stage the model of "economic growth" will have to be abandoned in favour of the model of economic development in already "developed" countries. Europe is "stagnating" economically while becoming more efficient, moving towards services etc. Reducing consumption is the key.

Global warming started at 3 billion humans in the 1960s. Whether we reduce consumption or not, our population is set to stablise at 15 billion humans, which far too many. We need to slow down population growth as that will give us more time to develop cleaner ways to transport goods and people.

What's going to happen to oil reserves when the majority of that 15 billion want petrol in their cars? The reason why America is hellbent on invading Middle-eastern countries is because they know the old is running out and they want control of the oil reserves or else their superpower status is in danger.

We also have the issue of banged-up, old vehicles in 3rd world that produce a lot more pollution than western vehicles. India is the 5th highest polluter and has the second largest population. The West needs to issue sanctions on India if they don't get their shít together.

Ireland needs to move to nuclear power instead burning coal and peat to feed our power plants but you morons who are terrified the Fukushima disaster will happen to us. That was caused by magnitude 9.0 earthquake, the 5th-most-powerful earthquake in the history of Seismology. Here is a list of earthquakes in the British Isles and none of them come anywhere near close to the magnitude of the Japan one. That list also shows earthquake that hit the UK and they have 9 active nuclear power plants, but no nuclear disasters

I also remember there was some idiot on here who created a thread lambasting China's one child policy. At least they're doing something about it, unlike India.

mikemac1 · 26-11-2014 07:31AM

Population of England & Wales 1841 - 19.5 million
Population of Ireland 1841 - 8.2 million

Population of England & Wales 2012 - 53.5 million
Population of Ireland 32 counties 2012 - 6.4 million

Better take this thread to the boards.co.uk. Overpopulation isn't an Irish problem

Its Only Ray Parlour · 26-11-2014 07:35AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Population of England & Wales 1841 - 19.5 million
Population of Ireland 1841 - 8.2 million

Population of England & Wales 2012 - 53.5 million
Population of Ireland 32 counties 2012 - 6.4 million

Better take this thread to the boards.co.uk. Overpopulation isn't an Irish problem

We've certainly exported a lot of humans, though. Legalizing abortion here would set an example for other countries, not that we have a big influence on other nations but it's better than nothing.

Tail Docker · 26-11-2014 07:54AM

Karl Stein wrote: »

So would you agree that ever increasing growth fuelled by consumption is unsustainable?

No, but I'd deffo go along with the theory that Jaffa cakes are less fattening than Hob-Nobs. Which is similar.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-11-2014 07:58AM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Thats why the EU will be under Sharia law in next to no time.

Here we go

Peter B · 26-11-2014 07:59AM

This has become a taboo subject. It is seen to be "unprogressive" to mention that we may have a population problem.

Often it benefits a country economically to have a larger population. It offers the government a larger tax income and is sometimes seen as a measure of success. Globalisation also encourages larger populations for a greater market size as well as encourages consumerism.

Our natural resources are suffering. Not just oil, coal and energy but also pollution is affecting our streams, rivers and oceans. On land our air quality is worsening and land is being over farmed, needing to be over compensated by fertilisers which often lead to pollution of streams / rivers. Food is being transported across the world and then often getting thrown out due to over supply.

The level of species loss has never being higher in human history. If we wanted to have KPIs as human beings I think reducing species loss should be the first goal.

Yes, I think there is a problem.

force eleven · 26-11-2014 08:03AM

The entire population of Earth today, standing (or sitting) shoulder to shoulder, would fit into the area of Co Cork. Plenty of room for all, it's wealth distribution that is the problem.

Peter B · 26-11-2014 08:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Over-population isn't the problem, over-consumption is.

At some stage the model of "economic growth" will have to be abandoned in favour of the model of economic development in already "developed" countries. Europe is "stagnating" economically while becoming more efficient, moving towards services etc. Reducing consumption is the key.

Over consumption is definitely a big issue also but it does not mean you ignore the issue of over population. The planet would be in much better condition if we could all live the same lifestyle and consumption levels as 1841. I cannot see that happening though

MRnotlob606 · 26-11-2014 08:42AM

Us Europeans would want to stop it all together, we're breeding like rabbits.

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-11-2014 08:43AM

force eleven wrote: »

The entire population of Earth today, standing (or sitting) shoulder to shoulder, would fit into the area of Co Cork. Plenty of room for all, it's wealth distribution that is the problem.

You have proof of this? :eek:

Iwasfrozen · 26-11-2014 08:46AM

Over population is a problem world wide but it's not a problem for Europe and certainly not a problem for Ireland.

lazybones32 · 26-11-2014 10:20AM

If anyone considers human overpopulation to be a problem, maybe they should take a single, irreversible action to be part of the solution?

Dr Turk Turkelton · 26-11-2014 10:27AM

force eleven wrote: »

The entire population of Earth today, standing (or sitting) shoulder to shoulder, would fit into the area of Co Cork. Plenty of room for all, it's wealth distribution that is the problem.

Am finding this really hard to believe.

anticonscience · 26-11-2014 10:34AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

No, that is a myth. Half of the worlds countries have a birth rate below replacement level (incl every nation in the EU) as in their population will decrease without immigration, as the native people arent producing enough children in order to sustain the population.

Agreed .Only those developing countries has a high birth rate but they have a high death rate as well .I think we should stop wasting our present resoures first

Timberrrrrrrr · 26-11-2014 10:34AM

lazybones32 wrote: »

If anyone considers human overpopulation to be a problem, maybe they should take a single, irreversible action to be part of the solution?

Pretty sick post tbh

ZiabR · 26-11-2014 10:49AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

It's not just a problem that impacts on one part of the world it will have a impact on every nation and economy. Is there any human measures that can and should be taken to control population before it gets out of control? I refer to overpopulation in terms of resources.

"before" it gets out of control. It is already out of control. In the 1980's when I was born, it was about 4.4 billion. Today it is approximately 7.2 billion. So in around 30 years it has jumped almost 3 billion. That wound be 1 billion every decade. By 2025 it will have broken the 8 billion mark.

With increased population comes increased demand for food, which lets face it, is the main concern here. Parts of the world are already struggling with food production, this will only get worse. Look at the Amazon. Every minute of every day 150 acres are destroyed. That is almost 80 million acres a year... disgraceful. Alot of this is turned into agricultural land to grow food for our ever growing population.

Parts of the world have already been destroyed with the sole purpose of food production. If you need proof of this, just google Campo de Dalías. This is a part of Spain the has been named Costa del Polythene or The Sea of Plastic. Even from Space all you can see are greenhouses, growing food for Humans.

Put "El Ejido, Spain" into Google Earth and zoom out a fraction and you will see what I mean.

EDIT - To fix my bad maths

keithclancy · 26-11-2014 10:57AM

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

Ireland needs to move to nuclear power instead burning coal and peat to feed our power plants but you morons who are terrified the Fukushima disaster will happen to us. That was caused by magnitude 9.0 earthquake, the 5th-most-powerful earthquake in the history of Seismology. Here is a list of earthquakes in the British Isles and none of them come anywhere near close to the magnitude of the Japan one. That list also shows earthquake that hit the UK and they have 9 active nuclear power plants, but no nuclear disasters

I also remember there was some idiot on here who created a thread lambasting China's one child policy. At least they're doing something about it, unlike India.

Ireland mainly uses Gas for its power, there is an oversupply of Gas in the market at the moment due to fracking. The Americans aren't even using Coal anymore.

Most of the big players have pulled out of the commodities market already because theres no money to be made in it.

Blue Whale · 26-11-2014 11:20AM

lazybones32 wrote: »

If anyone considers human overpopulation to be a problem, maybe they should take a single, irreversible action to be part of the solution?

Typical ignorant comment!

Global population has risen so fast over the past century that roughly 14% of all the human beings that have ever existed are still alive today..(said Barry Brook)

EoghanIRL · 26-11-2014 11:22AM

There is one theory that ebola was introduced to reduce population overcrowding .

Augmerson · 26-11-2014 11:24AM

The world could easily support 100 billion people. There is more than enough arable land, more than enough space to live, more than enough resources.

The problem is the systems in place, like capitalism, which ensure the rich get richer from the poor who have nothing.

Calibos · 26-11-2014 11:34AM

EoghanIRL wrote: »

There is one nonsensical conspiracy theory that ebola was introduced to reduce population overcrowding .

FYP.

Population will level out at 9-10 billion by 2040-50.

The problem wont be constant population growth. The problem is that the earths resources cannot support 10 billion people with 1st world/Western levels of consumption. However, just like agricultural technology and thus food production ended up outpacing population growth which proved Malthus' predictions wrong, technology advances in other areas could render the resource problem moot. Fusion power meaning near infinite safe cheap energy. Near infinite cheap energy solving the fresh water problem, etc etc

Shrap · 26-11-2014 11:44AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Pretty sick post tbh

Blue Whale wrote: »

Typical ignorant comment!

Why is it? Lots of people make the choice not to have children and get permanently sterilised. I think it's a good point to make, that if you're so worried about overpopulation, don't have children - or at least not many.

VinLieger · 26-11-2014 11:49AM

TireeTerror wrote: »

Thats why the EU will be under Sharia law in next to no time.

A scary and possibly real prospect in some european countries in the next century

ZiabR · 26-11-2014 11:49AM

Augmerson wrote: »

The world could easily support 100 billion people. There is more than enough arable land, more than enough space to live, more than enough resources.

Sorry... what? With that population the world would collapse. Items that come to mind. Food, Waste, Carbon emissions, Fuel, Housing, Infastructure, Medicine. If we had to maintain 100 billion, we would mine and leech the earth of its resources in a very short space of time.

Using the "arable" land to put people on is only 1% of what we need the land to do for us.

Alun · 26-11-2014 11:52AM

There was a good programme on BBC 4 about this, and why there isn't actually any need to panic. Can be found on YouTube here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7K4cgrjng

26-11-2014 11:53AM

logik wrote: »

Every day 150 acres are destroyed. That is almost 80 million acres a year... disgraceful. Alot of this is turned into agricultural land to grow food for our ever growing population.

150 times 365 is 54,750. I think there might be something wrong with your sums there.

ZiabR · 26-11-2014 11:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

150 times 365 is 54,750. I think there might be something wrong with your sums there.

Yes you are right... I was supposed to put 150 acres a minute, every minute of every day...

Human overpopulation is problem

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