[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

Joeseph Balls · 29-09-2014 10:32AM

blackbelt1 wrote: »

Didnt contest it so it wouldnt drag through the courts I thought? manny is far from squeaky clean from tax evasion to harbouring fugitives I wont even include peds in that,if you dont like mayweather dont pay the ppv to watch him and dont follow him on fb/twitter.

You're here early, Mayweather next fight night isn't till next year:rolleyes:

blackbelt1 · 29-09-2014 01:46PM

I see the forum is infested with pacman fanboys,he has more luggage than the airport not discussing floyd boxing skills either here so dont think im saying hes the greatest of all time or anything but floyd gets stick and pacman cant do any wrong.

Strongbow10 · 29-09-2014 02:07PM

blackbelt1 wrote: »

I see the forum is infested with pacman fanboys,he has more luggage than the airport not discussing floyd boxing skills either here so dont think im saying hes the greatest of all time or anything but floyd gets stick and pacman cant do any wrong.

Its the blow in posters like yourself who seem insistent on taking one side, the regular posters on here barely show preference for either side in fairness.

Its a fight that was hugely anticiapted in 2009/2010, not so much now.

Mayweather would have won back then but didn't fancy the risk. Pacquiao remaining with Bob Arum showed maybe he wasn't willing to do whatever it took.

Not the first time the sport has been deprived of a super fight with 2 sure thing hall of famers in their prime. And won't be the last.

FTA69 · 29-09-2014 03:18PM

blackbelt1 wrote: »

I see the forum is infested with pacman fanboys,

Yawn.

As someone said above, few posters here wet themselves over either boxer. I think they're both amazing boxers for different reasons and I enjoy watching them both equally. Most posters here look at the sport objectively and see past the WWE sort of nonsense you seem to be engaging in.

There's no need to latch on to one boxer and throw p*ss at other ones, it isn't like supporting a soccer team.

walshb · 29-09-2014 03:29PM

The fact that Floyd courts controversy and goes out of his way to antagonize may be part of the reason that he gets "more stick" than Manny, who really seems to be a simple and down to earth and humble guy.

SHOVELLER · 24-11-2014 05:53AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/manny-pacquiao-fight-barclays-center-article-1.2020776

walshb · 24-11-2014 09:51AM

Love to see Ruslan and Manny meet. These are the styles and fights that we need. Throw Garcia and JMM on the undercard at 145. Or, Manny-Garcia and JMM-Ruslan. What a combination.

Strongbow10 · 24-11-2014 01:34PM

walshb wrote: »

Love to see Ruslan and Manny meet. These are the styles and fights that we need. Throw Garcia and JMM on the undercard at 145. Or, Manny-Garcia and JMM-Ruslan. What a combination.

Ruslan v Manny is an exciting prospect in terms of styles

walshb · 24-11-2014 01:40PM

Strongbow10 wrote: »

Ruslan v Manny is an exciting prospect in terms of styles

Manny could still be vulnerable as regards getting tagged heavy. Is the chin weak? He leaves himself quite open when he darts in with his shots. It's one hell of a tasty match; well worthy of PPV!

Could Garcia expose Manny with a powerful timed counter punch?

boxer.fan · 24-11-2014 05:15PM

walshb wrote: »

Manny could still be vulnerable as regards getting tagged heavy. Is the chin weak? He leaves himself quite open when he darts in with his shots. It's one hell of a tasty match; well worthy of PPV!

Could Garcia expose Manny with a powerful timed counter punch?

Both are great punchers. I think Manny beats both. i'd be more interested in Ruslan vs garcia.

walshb · 24-11-2014 05:23PM

boxer.fan wrote: »

Both are great punchers. I think Manny beats both. i'd be more interested in Ruslan vs garcia.

You could have a tournament with 5 or 6 lads at 140-147 lbs that would be dream bouts. Manny/JMM/Ruslan/Garcia/Mattysse/Mayweather...

Ok, I don't want to see JMM/Pacman again. But Mayweather in the mix using all his skills to tame Ruslan or Pacman would be great...

Throw Broner in for sport! Maybe Alvarado and Rios for more hell!

Littlehorny · 24-11-2014 11:10PM

Pacquaio calling out Mayweather for May 2nd next year in his post fight press conference. i personally think this fight will never happen as there is nothing in it for Mayweather. Pacquaio has losses on his record so losing to Mayweather will not hurt his career as much as it would Mayweather. Pacquaio is the smaller man and has way more mileage on him.
Basically if Mayweather loses he will have been beaten by a guy who has been beaten by other fighters, is smaller and has had the tougher career.

Pighead · 25-11-2014 02:52AM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Basically if Mayweather loses he will have been beaten by a guy who has been beaten by other fighters, is smaller and has had the tougher career.

And if he wins...... He'll have secured his legacy. A win against Pac ensures he retires a bona fide legend and in the discussion for the best ever.

dinorebel · 25-11-2014 11:54AM

Pighead wrote: »

And if he wins...... He'll have secured his legacy. A win against Pac ensures he retires a bona fide legend and in the discussion for the best ever.

Mayweather is nowhere near being discussed as best ever unless it's in his own house.I'm a fan but lets get real he may just scrape into the all time top 20.

Pighead · 25-11-2014 12:42PM

dinorebel wrote: »

Mayweather is nowhere near being discussed as best ever unless it's in his own house.I'm a fan but lets get real he may just scrape into the all time top 20.

Go on then. Give me a laugh. Name 15 boxers that have achieved more in the sport.

dinorebel · 25-11-2014 12:57PM

Pighead wrote: »

Go on then. Give me a laugh. Name 15 boxers that have achieved more in the sport.

In no particular order and off the top of my head

Ray Robinson
Harry Greb
Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Muhammad Ali
Joe Louis
Archie Moore
Henry Armstrong
Ezzard Charles
Sam Langford
Roy Jones
Tommy Hearns
Pernell Whitaker
Bob Fitzsimmons
Willie Pep

I could probably name another ten who would also have a better shout so maybe top 25 is Floyds ceiling.

dinorebel · 25-11-2014 12:58PM

The above of course is just fighters who should be ranked higher the head to head list would be larger.

This isn't a knock Floyd post just trying to be honest he is without doubt the best of his generation but his career is a lot of smoke and mirrors in that he generally only fights on his terms i.e stating weights to fight at which,gloves his opponent has to use ect.
I have one question for Pighead would Floyd still be undefeated if he was around at the same time as Hearns,Leonard and Duran?

Pighead · 25-11-2014 01:43PM

dinorebel wrote: »

The above of course is just fighters who should be ranked higher the head to head list would be larger.

This isn't a knock Floyd post just trying to be honest he is without doubt the best of his generation but his career is a lot of smoke and mirrors in that he generally only fights on his terms i.e stating weights to fight at which,gloves his opponent has to use ect.
I have one question for Pighead would Floyd still be undefeated if he was around at the same time as Hearns,Leonard and Duran?

We could do this all day but ultimately we do not know how he would fare. I find it strange you put Whitaker in ahead of Floyd when to me Whitaker is practically the exact same as Floyd but slower. Floyd beats Whitaker every time for me. But unless we can cobble together a time machine between us we will never know for sure. By the way I'm not saying Floyd is the best ever but I think the fact he's a bit of an arsehole clouds some people's opinion on where he stands in the all time lists. Definite top ten for me.

dinorebel · 25-11-2014 01:51PM

Pighead wrote: »

We could do this all day but ultimately we do not know how he would fare. I find it strange you put Whitaker in ahead of Floyd when to me Whitaker is practically the exact same as Floyd but slower. Floyd beats Whitaker every time for me. But unless we can cobble together a time machine between us we will never know for sure. By the way I'm not saying Floyd is the best ever but I think the fact he's a bit of an arsehole clouds some people's opinion on where he stands in the all time lists. Definite top ten for me.

To be top 10 for me he would of had to have fought and beaten Pac 5 or 6 years ago and beaten the likes of Mosley and De La Hoya when they were prime not years past.

walshb · 25-11-2014 01:52PM

FWIW I'd probably take a peak Floyd at WW over Oscar and Mosley. More so over Mosley. Oscar's jab and height could do the trick.

I think he loses to Hearns and Leonard. Has his moments, but loses. May not even survive 12 if the tow of them connect clean.

boxer.fan · 25-11-2014 02:02PM

Pighead wrote: »

We could do this all day but ultimately we do not know how he would fare. I find it strange you put Whitaker in ahead of Floyd when to me Whitaker is practically the exact same as Floyd but slower. Floyd beats Whitaker every time for me. But unless we can cobble together a time machine between us we will never know for sure. By the way I'm not saying Floyd is the best ever but I think the fact he's a bit of an arsehole clouds some people's opinion on where he stands in the all time lists. Definite top ten for me.

I am sick to the back teeth of these Floyd debates but I can't help getting sucked into this one.

My thinking is that Floyd has been doing himself a dis-service by not boxing more often & facing everyone that wants to have a go. I don't like the guy but he has a great boxing brain, i think he beats everyone in the division right now & probably beats most in the various divisions throughout his career.

If he had taken the same attitude as GGG or Kovalev, he would then have left no doubt over his legacy as one of the best ever, even if he had lost one or two bouts. As it stands right now there are question marks over him & always will be.

Pighead · 25-11-2014 02:35PM

boxer.fan wrote: »

I am sick to the back teeth of these Floyd debates but I can't help getting sucked into this one.

My thinking is that Floyd has been doing himself a dis-service by not boxing more often & facing everyone that wants to have a go. I don't like the guy but he has a great boxing brain, i think he beats everyone in the division right now & probably beats most in the various divisions throughout his career.

If he had taken the same attitude as GGG or Kovalev, he would then have left no doubt over his legacy as one of the best ever, even if he had lost one or two bouts. As it stands right now there are question marks over him & always will be.

With regards to the debate of him being the best ever everything you say is spot on and there will indeed be huge question marks over his right to call himself number 1. But I think he's done enough to secure a place in the top ten.

ebbsy · 25-11-2014 02:37PM

If they fought now I could not see anything other than a clear cut Mayweather win.

Chrissybhoy · 25-11-2014 06:48PM

dinorebel wrote: »

To be top 10 for me he would of had to have fought and beaten Pac 5 or 6 years ago and beaten the likes of Mosley and De La Hoya when they were prime not years past.

What about Mayweather beaten fighters comfortably and staying unbeaten way past his prime. Does he get any credit for that ?

megadodge · 25-11-2014 07:05PM

Strangely enough, as a person who really dislikes Floyd (the person), I have to stand up for him a little bit here.

I could tackle lots of different points, but the chief one I want to point out to those who keep referring to SRL, Hearns, etc. is that Floyd was at his absolute best at SUPER-FEATHERWEIGHT. While there he didn't just dominate, but he totally destroyed a very deep talent-rich division. There are no question marks! He decimated everybody there. If he retired then knowledgable boxing fans would still be talking about his achievements there and those achievements alone would gain him entry to the Hall of Fame.

The fact that he's still winning at the top level donkey's years later in a weight division as high as welter/light-middle proves how great he is.

Yes, I am pissed off that he decided he didn't want to fight Pacman, even though I really like Manny. I always felt Floyd would win (mainly because he's bigger) and could never really understand his reluctance to make that fight. That will always hurt his ranking and rightfully so. But IMO he is definitely an all-time Top 10 boxer. And I can't stand him!

PS: The fact that he didn't meet DLH or Mosely in their prime is because 1. they were at different weights 2. He's younger, therefore it's hard to match prime with prime.

kryogen · 25-11-2014 08:34PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

What about Mayweather beaten fighters comfortably and staying unbeaten way past his prime. Does he get any credit for that ?

He has cherry picked and put stupid demands on his opponents a hell of a lot, so any credit he gets for beating people past his prime is somewhat negated, he has also not sailed through these fights with the same ease as he has in the past.

He is a great fighter, and he will go down as a great fighter, but I don't think his legacy will stand the test of time in the way it has for some other greats, I think there are too many question marks against him overall.

His zero is all he will have when he retires (of course plenty would love that) and that looks great on paper, I can't see him taking the PacMan fight for fear of losing that, I think he beats Manny now for what its worth, I also think he would have beaten him 5 years ago but he ducked him. He will have to live with that and I believe it is something that will go against him when people look back in many years to come while talking about the greatest fighters

dinorebel · 25-11-2014 08:47PM

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

What about Mayweather beaten fighters comfortably and staying unbeaten way past his prime. Does he get any credit for that ?

He would if he fought someone who's an actual threat to him.

Chrissybhoy · 25-11-2014 09:51PM

dinorebel wrote: »

He would if he fought someone who's an actual threat to him.

Was Canelo not a threat ? Was Cotto not a threat ?

Chrissybhoy · 25-11-2014 09:52PM

megadodge wrote: »

Strangely enough, as a person who really dislikes Floyd (the person), I have to stand up for him a little bit here.

I could tackle lots of different points, but the chief one I want to point out to those who keep referring to SRL, Hearns, etc. is that Floyd was at his absolute best at SUPER-FEATHERWEIGHT. While there he didn't just dominate, but he totally destroyed a very deep talent-rich division. There are no question marks! He decimated everybody there. If he retired then knowledgable boxing fans would still be talking about his achievements there and those achievements alone would gain him entry to the Hall of Fame.

The fact that he's still winning at the top level donkey's years later in a weight division as high as welter/light-middle proves how great he is.

Yes, I am pissed off that he decided he didn't want to fight Pacman, even though I really like Manny. I always felt Floyd would win (mainly because he's bigger) and could never really understand his reluctance to make that fight. That will always hurt his ranking and rightfully so. But IMO he is definitely an all-time Top 10 boxer. And I can't stand him!

PS: The fact that he didn't meet DLH or Mosely in their prime is because 1. they were at different weights 2. He's younger, therefore it's hard to match prime with prime.

Perfectly put megadodge at least your honest and don't let your dislike for him cloud your judgement

Henno30 · 25-11-2014 09:57PM

walshb wrote: »

FWIW I'd probably take a peak Floyd at WW over Oscar and Mosley. More so over Mosley. Oscar's jab and height could do the trick.

I think he loses to Hearns and Leonard. Has his moments, but loses. May not even survive 12 if the tow of them connect clean.

Realistically, who beats Hearns at 147 apart from the two Rays?

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