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Looting and Rioting in St. Louis (Merged)

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  • #812
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Sclosages wrote: »
    But what do you think of the vast majority of protestors?

    People have every right to protest, but I consider anyone that resorts to rioting and looting as nothing but scum... what did those business owners have to do with the case that were set on fire?

    Nothing... these people are doing it just for the sake of it.


  • #813
    Sclosages
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    People have every right to protest, but I consider anyone that resorts to rioting and looting as nothing but scum... what did those business owners have to do with the case that were set on fire?

    Nothing... these people are doing it just for the sake of it.

    I don't disagree with you


  • #814
    Sclosages
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    I've often wondered why we don't resort to looting here. We're a fierce compliant country.


  • #815
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    Sclosages wrote: »
    I've often wondered why we don't resort to looting here. We're a fierce compliant country.

    It'd all stop at the pub and turn into a party instead. :pac:


  • #816
    Putinovsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Putinovsky


    Just wondering how people feel about the prosecutors close connections to many in the investigated police force?


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  • #817
    [Deleted User]
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    Digital Society wrote: »
    <snip>

    Chimpout ? :rolleyes:

    Disgusting


  • #818
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #819
    Sclosages
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 489 ✭✭Sclosages


    Digital Society wrote: »
    <snip>

    By whom?


  • #820
    FatherTed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭FatherTed


    Why bother looting? Don't they know Black Friday is just a few days away?


  • #821
    Yarf Yarf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 289 ✭✭Yarf Yarf


    AndonHandon wrote: »
    Whatever about being incensed about an alleged injustice, the rioting and shooting is not on. Based on the scale of it it is safe to say that those against the decision of the grand jury are only using the decision to further their own selfish goals. Therefore, there was no injustice done by the grand jury's decision.

    I imagine that this situation is not dissimilar to the LA riots in that this unrest has probably been brewing for quite some time and this shooting was just the straw that broke the camel's back. Corruption among the police force in America and the ease with which they seem happy to use deadly force against black people is not a new phenomenon, but it also shows that very little seems to have been learned in the 20-odd years since the LA riots. I don't agree with looting and I sure as hell hope that no more innocent people are killed, but it seems it's very easy for people to turn everything around on the oppressed. The fact remains that elements of the American police force are rotten to the core, trigger happy and utterly racist, so I'm not one but suprised that the **** has hit the fan, and I'm also not a bit surprised that they continue to gets away with it while those they are oppressing are blamed for it all. A "neat Orwellian trick" as Panti would say.


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  • #822
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Racist post deleted, quotes snipped

    Just to be clear, any racism will be met with a ban

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • #823
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    social justice warriors can say what the like but justice has been done


  • #824
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Just wondering how people feel about the prosecutors close connections to many in the investigated police force?

    You do realise that it wasnt the prosecutors who decided not to press charges? You know what a Grand Jury is dont you?


  • #825
    Putinovsky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭Putinovsky


    Beano wrote: »
    You do realise that it wasnt the prosecutors who decided not to press charges? You know what a Grand Jury is dont you?

    Who presents the case to the grand jury? Who has the job of convincing the grand jury that a trial should go ahead?

    Pretty simple stuff here :rolleyes:


  • #826
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Who presents the case to the grand jury? Who has the job of convincing the grand jury that a trial should go ahead?

    Pretty simple stuff here :rolleyes:

    the grand jury based its decision on the evidence AFAIK they saw all the evidence and came to the right decision

    all the forensic evidence backs the story told by the police officer and the "eye witnesses" all changed their stories when they saw the forensic evidence

    mike brown was a thug scumbag who attacked the police and died, hard luck


  • #827
    DipStick McSwindler
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #828
    Peist2007
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    nokia69 wrote: »

    mike brown was a thug scumbag who attacked the police and died, hard luck

    So, genuinely, why the depth of feeling this time? Why is it this black kid killed by the police has caused this much resentment? There are ordinary people protesting in the midst of the rioters. What's their deal? Why has this mobilised them?

    I am utterly amazed that, in 2014, people still blindly follow anything that is the official line coming from America.


  • #829
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    So, genuinely, why the depth of feeling this time? Why is it this black kid killed by the police has caused this much resentment? There are ordinary people protesting in the midst of the rioters. What's their deal? Why has this mobilised them?

    I am utterly amazed that, in 2014, people still blindly follow anything that is the official line coming from America.

    its not the official line, I have yet to hear the police or any official person say brown was scum

    but there is a video of him robbing a shop minutes before he attacked the police, he was a thug and a scumbag, thats just the way it is

    people like you seem to believe the lies of the "eye witnesses" and the bull**** peddled by race hustlers and SJWs


  • #830
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    nokia69 wrote: »
    all the forensic evidence backs the story told by the police officer and the "eye witnesses" all changed their stories when they saw the forensic evidence
    This is pretty much it.

    Whatever about the rights or wrongs of the situation, there was basically very little evidence on which to contradict the officer's account of what happened.

    Even Brown's accomplice in the robbery who would be a key eyewitness given where he was standing, had his testimony completely blown out of the water by the forensic evidence which contradicted several key parts of his testimony.

    Likewise every other eyewitness who claimed that Brown has his arms raised in surrender, also had their testimony rendered useless by the autopsies.

    So in effect, there is little to no evidence on which to base a case against the officer, except for the officer's own testimony.


    I think the main issue in this case is that of chinese whispers. The information disseminated locally after the shooting was that the police officer tried to stop the two guys for jaywalking and then callously gunned down a sweet innocent little boy in the back when he refused to comply with the officer's orders.
    Confirmation bias means that some people just don't hear any evidence after that, and no amount of autoposies or eyewitness reports or grand jury decisions will convince them that this was anything but a callous murder of a sweet young boy. They want a pound of flesh, they're not willing to listen to reason.


  • #831
    Too Tough To Die
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    seamus wrote: »
    This is pretty much it.

    Whatever about the rights or wrongs of the situation, there was basically very little evidence on which to contradict the officer's account of what happened.

    Even Brown's accomplice in the robbery who would be a key eyewitness given where he was standing, had his testimony completely blown out of the water by the forensic evidence which contradicted several key parts of his testimony.

    Likewise every other eyewitness who claimed that Brown has his arms raised in surrender, also had their testimony rendered useless by the autopsies.

    So in effect, there is little to no evidence on which to base a case against the officer, except for the officer's own testimony.

    How do the autopsies confirm whether or not he had his arms raised in surrender at any point?


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  • #832
    Beano
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    Putinovsky wrote: »
    Who presents the case to the grand jury? Who has the job of convincing the grand jury that a trial should go ahead?

    Pretty simple stuff here :rolleyes:

    so what evidence did the prosecutor hide from the grand jury?


  • #833
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    nokia69 wrote: »
    its not the official line, I have yet to hear the police or any official person say brown was scum

    but there is a video of him robbing a shop minutes before he attacked the police, he was a thug and a scumbag, thats just the way it is

    people like you seem to believe the lies of the "eye witnesses" and the bull**** peddled by race hustlers and SJWs

    No, i am referring to the Grand Jury decision. What seems pretty straightforward has engendered a massive reaction in the area, and not just from troublemakers. So, what gives?

    Edit: and no need to start this "people like you" crap which seems to emanate when anyone has a differing view to the official line. Get with it, there have been enough whitewashes down through the years for people to question. And given the reaction in the local area to this incident, it isn't totally unreasonable to question what is being said.


  • #834
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    No, i am referring to the Grand Jury decision. What seems pretty straightforward has engendered a massive reaction in the area, and not just from troublemakers. So, what gives?

    people believing what they want to believe. and thinking that a new tv would be very handy.


  • #835
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    Beano wrote: »
    people believing what they want to believe. and thinking that a new tv would be very handy.

    So this whole story has arrived due to a particular area in the US having more greedy people than the rest?


  • #836
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Too Tough To Die wrote: »
    How do the autopsies confirm whether or not he had his arms raised in surrender at any point?
    They don't prove he didn't have them up "at any point", but the location of the bullet wounds do prove that at the time the shots were fired, his arms were not raised in surrender.


  • #837
    darced
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #838
    Beano
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭Beano


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    So this whole story has arrived due to a particular area in the US having more greedy people than the rest?

    Well it would explain the looting wouldnt it? When people read the story all they see is cop killed unarmed black kid. They want their pound of flesh. They wont get their pound of flesh because a grand jury decided that the charges should not be pursued so they get all angry.


  • #839
    Carlos Orange
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    darced wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    I'm pretty sure they disproved the witness statements that he was shot in the back. Kinda reduces my belief in them.


  • #840
    nokia69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Peist2007 wrote: »
    No, i am referring to the Grand Jury decision. What seems pretty straightforward has engendered a massive reaction in the area, and not just from troublemakers. So, what gives?

    Edit: and no need to start this "people like you" crap which seems to emanate when anyone has a differing view to the official line. Get with it, there have been enough whitewashes down through the years for people to question. And given the reaction in the local area to this incident, it isn't totally unreasonable to question what is being said.

    what gives, a good question, a blackman gets killed by a white man then it must be a racist attack, just ignore all the evidence

    a blackman gets killed by a blackman and nobody cares

    race hustlers love this stuff, people have made millions from cases like this based on nothing more than lies and bull****


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  • #841
    Peist2007
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Peist2007


    nokia69 wrote: »
    what gives, a good question, a blackman gets killed by a white man then it must be a racist attack, just ignore all the evidence

    a blackman gets killed by a blackman and nobody cares

    race hustlers love this stuff, people have made millions from cases like this based on nothing more than lies and bull****

    You clearly havent read my actual question and decided to have the type of rant you seem to be also putting down in your same comment.


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