to change or not to change

benny79 wrote: »

Make a interesting experiment! but I'd have to disagree with you I think clubs do make a difference to a certain extent! it be like racing with a Ferrari and a micra!

But a car has an internal combustion engine - 1000s of moving parts and multiple components.

A golf club is a simple object that has not changed much, in what ? 30 years, the minor changes have not resulted in dramatic score reductions in amateurs.

I'm saying if you go into a golf shop - buy clubs with the lad in store next to you - if a guy has the ability and time - he will get to singles figures with them.

The OP is off 13 and still improving - best advice on thread was , keep using your GI irons till you stop improving - the GI irons have got him from 17 down.

Look at his stats see where his shots are going.

Talking about blades is not really on the agenda yet. Unless you just want a Ferrari - yes that is every golfers right, it is a free world - men love their toys.

I think we all know behind it all - that the golf industry has overcooked what a golf club can do at this stage. If we are all honest with ourselves - we know what is wrong with our games - for example - I'm OTT and poor at putting and only ok with chipping. No club solution for me - and I'm saying for the overwhelming majority of golf problems on this forum .

The vast majority of clubs are the same general shape - same ideas of weight distribution etc. Lots of the GI irons look the same. They don't even look far off
these cubs from the 80s.

And it was no issue getting to single figures then - some of the even cheaper clubs from Argos etc - have basically stolen this design (I'm not saying buy clubs in Argos) - but it shows how simple the intellectual properties of golf clubs are stolen and replicated. Typically most golf clubs are externally machined/forged and shaped - a modern CAM machine can copy it in minutes in a dodgy factory in China. There is very few clubs with complex internal design/machining.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-aided_manufacturing





Of course clubs make a bit of a difference - but this is not a concern off 13 - it may be an issue when you get very low.

If your improving stick with it - know where you are losing your shots. When you are stagnant - your swing is fine - your short game is perfect - explore clubs then (Once you clubs are reasonable enough - clearly the op has no issue with clubs yet)

Back to the car - yes a Ferrari and a Micra can get you from a to b - that is all we are trying to do , we can often convince ourselves there is merit in a Ferrari.

benny79 wrote: »

So whats the difference in a Titleist set of irons for €800 and and a Dunlop set for €200 is it the Technology or good marketing, since you reckon it doesn't make a difference.

Marketing and exposure on TV and golf magazines. Sponsoring top pros.

Yes there is slight difference in manufacturing quality etc. finish - material selection R and D - Typically the newer companies are newer to the market with the slight technical modifications. But as users we have no knowledge - only trust in the more expensive companies in their quality control.

And without researching it too much - youll find some of the companies producing expensive irons - have reduced manufacturing costs in the big bad modern competitive world. A bit like Germans cars not being German cars these days.

Forging was invented in the Iron age - how a 200 euro iron is manufactured is identical to how an 800 euro iron is manufactured.

But we are talking about a lad getting from 13 to single figures.
The quality of the intentergranualr structure of Dunlop V Titleist is of no concern to him.

the 600 euro differential is not going to make a difference here.

But by all means - buy them if they make you happy - life is short enough,

Montgolfier wrote: »

Your talking out your behind now, because cheaper clubs are cast not forged hence why they are cheap.
Ping club are cast but are far superior to Dunlop clubs.
Feel is a major factor in irons that's why people pay more, feel is what's gives you confidence to play your best.

I'm aware of both manufacturing processes.
Some expensive clubs are also cast.

But we are talking about a lad getting from 13 here.