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  • #242
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    You're blaming pua for people's nights out being ruined now!?

    About 10,000 more likely to be ruined by an assault, or drunk, or vomit, or place being packed, or too loud , or too hot.

    The amount of pua people who would "ruin" your night is even less likely than a non-pua person ruining it

    Ok maybe ruined is to strong a word but I guess it would be pretty annoying, and it would get even more annoying if it becomes more commonplace.
    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Exactly, people don't get what negging is.

    It's about .001% of what pua is.

    But it's a buzzword and people like to latch on to it

    But can't you see that for some men it does seem to promote this mechanistic view of social interactions, thats hardly a good thing is it?


  • #243
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,874 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    I do.

    How many films have you seen where the "hot girl " is dating a dickhead.

    It's a cliche it's so common.


    If I've got this straight -

    PUA teaches you how to attract the hottest girls.

    PUA doesn't teach you how to be a dickhead.

    All the hottest girls go for dickheads...


    The point of PUA is... what then exactly?


  • #244
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    A video of a pua being a dick means nothing.

    There are tens of thousands of people, if not millions, who have read about and adopted some of it's messages.

    Of course there are dickheads. The same can be said for everything.

    But pua itself is not in any way bad. It teaches you to be more confident, out going, better with the opposite sex, and aims at self improvement.

    It seems like a mixed bag. The problem I have is those posters who are choosing to ignore ALL negative aspects of PUA and play it down. You're defending this Julien tool ffs. If you don't believe the man is a dickhead, then we disagree on something very fundamental here making the discussion impossible. The fact that you DON'T consider his behaviour unacceptable doesn't help your case I'm afraid.


  • #245
    DoYouEvenLift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Pua all stems from the mystery method and then other guys branch off in different directions while keeping the main ideals.


    That mystery guy? I saw a video actually saying that the rsd guys learned from him and then started rsd and part of the agreement they make 'students' sign is to not teach pua for 4 years after they finished


  • #246
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    What it does or doesn't do for "some men" shouldn't detract from pua.

    Religion makes some men do bad things.

    So does money.

    And politics.

    And food.

    But pua itself is a good thing


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  • #247
    Talib Fiasco
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,428 ✭✭✭Talib Fiasco


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Pua all stems from the mystery method and then other guys branch off in different directions while keeping the main ideals.

    This is not true. From my brief understanding of PUA, the Mystery Method was about using recited lines and techniques. Most of PUA or Dating Advice focuses on "natural game" which is the complete opposite of Mystery Method and the stuff in Neil Strauss' book.


  • #248
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    If I've got this straight -

    PUA teaches you how to attract the hottest girls.

    PUA doesn't teach you how to be a dickhead.

    All the hottest girls go for dickheads...


    The point of PUA is... what then exactly?

    No. It teaches you how to be attractive.

    Not all girls go for dickheads. Some do. Lots don't.


  • #249
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,108 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    So the woman I was talking to last night who jokingly made fun of my hair is some sort of evil person now? I must go delete her number...

    If she was deliberately using a strategy of undermining you so you would go out with her, then hell yeah. That's a seriously manipulative approach to relationships that doesn't augur well, IMO.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #250
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Talib Fiasco wrote: »
    This is not true. From my brief understanding of PUA, the Mystery Method was about using recited lines and techniques. Most of PUA or Dating Advice focuses on "natural game" which is the complete opposite of Mystery Method and the stuff in Neil Strauss' book.

    Mystery was the first person to give all this stuff names, the pua phrases.

    Then others came along and improved upon it. Others made it worse.

    The aim for everybody is to be a natural. Understanding why a natural is so good is what pua is all about!!


  • #251
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    I don't know what planet you live on, Foxtrol. You're defending all PUA without question. Silliness. Have a little look at this video...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzlXdmQThig



    Stuff like this is all over Youtube.

    Firstly, I would never take advice from a guy wearing sunglasses inside and clearly hasn't really planned what he was going to say. He never actually went into how to incorporate his perspective into talking to a woman, as his bravado would never hold up. I stand by what I said that if you're negging a woman and you come across like a dickhead, you're doing it wrong.

    I don't know what planet you're living on or what thread you're reading as I haven't been defending PUA without question. I'm not defending all negging, I'm saying all negging isn't evil.


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  • #252
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Also, I'll reiterate negging is less than 1% of what pua is all about


  • #253
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Also, I'll reiterate negging is less than 1% of what pua is all about

    Whats negging??


  • #254
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Basically giving a compliment that also isn't a compliment.


    Like a girl said to me one night, your t shirt is nice. I saw some two other fellas wearing it in the last pub.

    She basically "negged" me there.

    It could not be less of a big deal


  • #255
    TheBeardedLady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TheBeardedLady


    Firstly, I would never take advice from a guy wearing sunglasses inside and clearly hasn't really planned what he was going to say. He never actually went into how to incorporate his perspective into talking to a woman, as his bravado would never hold up. I stand by what I said that if you're negging a woman and you come across like a dickhead, you're doing it wrong.

    It doesn't matter what YOU would do. That video has had 21,000 views. That was the first video I came upon when I typed in "negging" so at least some men must be following his advice. There's thousands of them there. All falls under PUA.
    I don't know what planet you're living on or what thread you're reading as I haven't been defending PUA without question. I'm not defending all negging, I'm saying all negging isn't evil.

    You refute all criticism of it including criticism of Julien BLanc. You haven't even tried PUA, have you? You've only watched a few videos on Youtube. In fairness, what would you know in that case?

    Again, I really have to wonder what's the point if men on here are defending JB.


  • #256
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,108 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    I'm not defending all negging, I'm saying all negging isn't evil.

    Not sure about how useful a word like "evil" is, but would you agree that negging (I presume this means subtly undermining someone by backhanded compliments and the like - and if I'm wrong maybe you could explain what you understand by it?) in order to get a person to agree to have sex with you when they otherwise might not choose to is manipulative and possibly sociopathic behaviour?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #257
    the evasion_kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭the evasion_kid


    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Whats negging??

    The comment section in this is a warzone!

    http://www.seductionscience.com/2010/negging-women/


  • #258
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    volchitsa wrote: »
    If she was deliberately using a strategy of undermining you so you would go out with her, then hell yeah. That's a seriously manipulative approach to relationships that doesn't augur well, IMO.

    I disagree. If a strategy gave her the confidence to come up and talk to me which then allowed us the opportunity to see if we liked each other, which wouldn't have happened otherwise, then I don't think one comment makes her a bad person.


  • #259
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    I think Wibbs had a point when he said it was a number game. Men who never approached women now feel brave enough to approach women, so if they talk to enough women, they're bound to get lucky with at least one.

    Yeah I remember that post, I've a friend that just wanders the streets when he's locked chatting up people, its bloody annoying being out with him when he reaches that point of lockedness and he says himself its not a great thing, but he does end up in bed with a lot of random woman he has no idea what he did to end up with them so to him the method is "successful"
    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    Not sure what the answer is. What was wrong with alcohol for dutch courage anyway? :-p

    Wait are you a fully fledged femenazi saying that sex with alcohol on board isn't rape, I'm frankly shocked and appalled :D

    Also its Saturday night, and the busiest thread is the one arguing about PUA, there has to be at least some irony in that :P


  • #260
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,108 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Basically giving a compliment that also isn't a compliment.


    Like a girl said to me one night, your t shirt is nice. I saw some two other fellas wearing it in the last pub.

    She basically "negged" me there.

    It could not be less of a big deal

    Was she trying to get you to do something for her that you would not otherwise have done though?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #261
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Having somebody sleep with you who otherwise wouldn't??

    Sorry what??

    Have you ever been on a night out?

    Or had sex?

    That's how it works. Most people wouldn't have sex with a complete stranger. Get to know each other a bit, like each other's personalities, find each other attractive, maybe then. Sometimes straight away, sometimes after waiting for months.

    Pua just gives you tools to make yourself more attractive.


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  • #262
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Gets 'owned' is the correct terminology.


  • #263
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    Basically giving a compliment that also isn't a compliment.


    Like a girl said to me one night, your t shirt is nice. I saw some two other fellas wearing it in the last pub.

    She basically "negged" me there.

    It could not be less of a big deal

    Seems pointless Tbh ??

    Sure is that not a waste of time and energy!! sure that's about as interesting to talk about as paint drying


  • #264
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    It's so you don't seem over eager.

    Over eagerness is not attractive ya see...


  • #265
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,108 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    I disagree. If a strategy gave her the confidence to come up and talk to me which then allowed us the opportunity to see if we liked each other, which wouldn't have happened otherwise, then I don't think one comment makes her a bad person.

    How does a strategy of undermining someone else give the person confidence though? It can only, IMO, be by deliberately making the other person feel bad about themselves.

    Like I say, I wouldn't say it's evil, but I'd say that sort of behaviour is not healthy. You see it in work situations too, but in my own view, using it in personal relationships is really very crummy. I can't see how I could like anyone who did that to me. The only way it could possibly work is if I got taken in by it.

    It's a bit like you're saying if I told you I was rich and had a great job, so as to get enough confidence to talk to me. That relationship can only last until the truth comes out - so if all I want is to have sex with you, then my lies are fine.

    But it says a lot about the person who sees relationships in that way.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #266
    RDM_83 again
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,116 ✭✭✭RDM_83 again


    volchitsa wrote: »
    Not sure about how useful a word like "evil" is, but would you agree that negging (I presume this means subtly undermining someone by backhanded compliments and the like - and if I'm wrong maybe you could explain what you understand by it?) in order to get a person to agree to have sex with you when they otherwise might not choose to is manipulative and possibly sociopathic behaviour?

    You see this is the thing I find weird about some of the anti-PUA stuff, and lets be clear I'm not fond of it myself.
    If some-one can be manipulated into bed by being slightly insulted and demeaned by someone aren't you implying they lack any real agency themselves. If thats the case I would be more worried for them and less worried about PUA because its not like AFAIK that PUA is teaching anything new its just teaching lads to act like a certain type of guy who has been around forever

    Edit: I do agree with your posts though


  • #267
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Neighing isn't telling lies about yourself.

    Negging isn't pretending you're rich. Look at my example on the previous page.

    It's a teeny tiny bit


  • #268
    volchitsa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,108 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    It's so you don't seem over eager.

    Over eagerness is not attractive ya see...

    I suspect we're having a male/female discussion here that explains why PUA appeals to men, and only works on women who haven't come across it before and maybe don't have much emotional awareness. You don't have to put someone down in order to avoid appearing "over eager". Honest. :cool:

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • #269
    Chancer3001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,480 ✭✭✭Chancer3001


    Negging isn't putting somebody down.

    And if you're not being over eager you need never use negging.

    Anybody who practices pua regularly probabaly never negs.

    Pua attracts to many women too, the female version of it in a book called "the rules" sold millions.

    Pua works on everybody, both sexes. It's just about making yourself more fun and more sociable. Not about taking people down a peg


  • #270
    Foxtrol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,303 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    TheBeardedLady wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what YOU would do. That video has had 21,000 views. That was the first video I came upon when I typed in "negging" so at least some men must be following his advice. There's thousands of them there. All falls under PUA.

    I really dont see your point. I'm not defending all negging.
    You refute all criticism of it including criticism of Julien BLanc. You haven't even tried PUA, have you? You've only watched a few videos on Youtube. In fairness, what would you know in that case?

    Again, I really have to wonder what's the point if men on here are defending JB.

    Please point to where I've refuted criticism of Julien Blanc, I've actually done the opposite on several occasions. You're making strawman arguments all over the place.

    So you're claiming you have to have done something now in order to have an opinion on it? I've also said that a lot of PUA techniques I read about I'd already been doing. Does that mean I'm a dick because I was doing these things already?


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  • #271
    tomwaterford
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    Chancer3001 wrote: »
    It's so you don't seem over eager.

    Over eagerness is not attractive ya see...

    Ugh....is it the same as that messing that does be going on about texting young wans aswell....that bs does my head in now if I'm honest...this could be because I'm too old for boards (mid 20s)...but Jesus I dunno would I bother with anyone who's into that messing about!!!
    Couldn't be dealing with trying to second guess people at my age


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