Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

Foxtrol wrote: »

Yes, it's come full circle because I was showing you that I can easily make the same argument that you put forward so I could show how pointless your post was.

I'm not trying to prove that they're different, you are. If they are as you feel you should be able to make at least one argument that I can't turn around and place PUA techniques in and make the same back to you.

My point is that they're as bad as each other and I've made several points showing how they are.

Enjoy!!

You didn't turn any of my points around though. Me putting my mascara on in the morning so my eyelashes are visible is not the same thing as a man studying Youtube videos to bed women no matter what our resident amateur psychologist tells us.

wes wrote: »

If you want to defend PUA, btw it would be far better to point out the good PUA sources, that doesn't resort to negging and other such nonsense. I asked a question, and I know not to yourself, and instead of providing an answer, you instead ask what I find deplorable, which leads me to believe that I was indeed correct in the first instance.

I'll give this one a go...

First, I'm not a huge fan of the whole 'PUA' thing because I'm sure a lot of people use it negatively. But about 10 years ago when I was a teenager in fairly long slump I did a bit of googling and came across a book on this that I gave a read, and picked some stuff up off, not any of this 'negging' stuff which I didn't get then and never bothered with (but being Irish, we typically do a fair bit of light slagging and teasing from the get go, whereas Americans for example are often more formal and polite on first meeting I tend to find). I didn't really go actively out of my way to do all the stuff I had read or anything, but a lot of it was just ...obvious... after reading it, though stuff I wasn't doing before. Things like...

- Keep a good posture, don't slump or slouch, keep open body language, don't shield yourself off with your pint glass or whatever is in your hands, don't be fidgety, and stand with your feet in line with your shoulders.

- Speak from your diaphragm so you don't sound high pitched and squeaky, raise and dip your tone of voice (and level of excitement or calmness) when you are speaking so you don't come over boring and monotone.

- If you see a girl you're interested in, don't go up to her when she is alone at the bar or similar, go up and talk to her when she is with her friends. And talk to all of her friends - people tend to overvalue what their friends opinion of someone would be or is, so if you have not met them yet and they like you some girls will still give it a miss because they are worried of what others might think. On the flipside, if you win her friends over that can count as a plus. Also it's far less intimidating or whatnot if she has the safety blanket of friends around her when you come up - and on that note, never try to say hello to a girl by tapping her on the back/shoulder/etc when she is facing away from you. Ever since I read that, I can't help but notice just how often this happens (in Ireland especially) and how much of an almost guaranteed failure it is, barring certain exceptions like being in the smoking area of a pub/club (and even then it usually ends with, "well I have to go find my friends, have a good night!").

- Unless you are dead set, 100% definite she is into you as well, don't start really showing you are very interested in her at first, just get chatting and try to sell yourself to her until you start seeing signs of interest back. Do keep a lot of eye contact and listen with interest to what she is saying though. EDIT: This isn't in the interest of being cocky/arrogant/etc, but more that if you find a girl attractive in a busy venue, plenty of other guys do too. Which means she is probably getting gawked at, chatted up, etc a good deal over the course of the night and may well be sick of it or not in the mood, so instead just try chatting away and being sociable to get a foot in the door, and see if it leads anywhere.

- If you do see she is into you at some point, don't move too fast on it because it can be a shock, unexpected, creepy, off putting, etc (just spend half an hour sober in Coppers or the likes to see for yourself). Do something stupid like a secret handshake if you're getting on well, or a slight bit of contact like tapping her on the wrist to get her attention if you're still a bit uncertain. Slowly increase how much contact you're making (hand on shoulder, arm around her, etc) if she's liking it. And don't just presume she's liking it - she will do the same back if she is, and if she doesn't she's probably not too interested (e.g. you tap her on the wrist to tell her a funny story/joke/etc, she grabs your forearm to say something back, you put a hand on her upper arm saying something else, etc, etc...)

- Don't do chat up lines (not me anyway, always hated those things!) but don't be boring or too serious - if you and a friend are in disagreement or something, go up and ask them to settle it (like if he thinks your shirt looks awful). Also, instead of saying something about yourself and leaving it at that or giving one or two word answers, tell a story about yourself to describe what you mean and make it more engaging - being very talkative. Not a long winded memoir or anything, just a quick little anecdote. Try and encourage her to do the same back - also helps find out how interesting she is, as well as breaking down any shyness she might have. Just be chatty and fun to be around.

- Make a point over what you are interested in and try to get them to give back there too, and don't be shy over whatever it is. If it's sports, cooking, films, music, computer games, it doesn't matter... just jump around different things until you get to a good talking point that you're both interested in. And don't talk much about your job unless it is something you are really passionate about that you're able to get others interested in too.

I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of other things that are way more complicated and often completely over thought, as well as devious and whatnot as well, but I really have no interest in that. The stuff above I actually just do without noticing though, I mostly did before reading that book too but was just struggling to get from A to B (as many teenagers do!) so while I wouldn't have any interest whatsoever in doing 'PUA' I would encourage anyone having difficulty with women or even just in a slump to take a quick read through an introductory type book and give it a whirl.

Funny enough, a few years later I did door to door sales for a couple of months, and when they were doing training with us, most of what they taught were the exact same things. Some of the stuff also works great in interviews (I've only once got through to interview stage and not got the job... because the bus came 30 minutes late and so I got there 10 minutes late). Just like trying to get a girl you are interested in to be interested back in you, it's really all just a sales process where you're pretty much selling yourself. Most of the basic stuff I saw was really just confidence boosting tips, ways to sell yourself positively, and spotting signs that a girl is interested in you - none of that is exactly evil if you ask me, it's pretty much just 'social sales techniques' (for want of a better term), and is beneficial across many walks of life, not just getting the ride.

But like I said, there are of course a lot of dodgy salespeople out there.

kjl wrote: »

The guy at the start is a bit of a knob but I did watch him on a proper video (about 60 long) once and not once did he say anything about physical abuse.

This is just CNN being CNN and if the OP is so dumb to realise that CNN is a ratings based news network and not a real news network the maybe we should close the thread now. Sure one time I saw them use a psychic to see if the knew where malaysia airlines flight 370 was.

Total rubbish.

Isn't there footage of him doing that stuff which is very questionable and causing controversy? Not total rubbish. Not sure why it makes a difference that he didn't talk about physical abuse in the video you watched; the controversy surrounding him is based on something else, not that video.

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

On the makeup thing, how acceptable do you think it would be to take women swimming for first dates? If they weren't putting their heads underwater to wash off whatever makeup they've on ya could easily do an auld shnakey dunk and play it off as a joke...when in reality, y'know, you're trying to see if she's an ogre in disguise

I would recommend to anyone who gets a stunt pulled on them like that on a first date... not to go on a second date with that person.
I'd also wonder about the views of a person thinking along the lines of "I'm going on a date with this person - I think I should catch them out!"

Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »

If a single woman is stuffing her bra or wearing a Wonderbra in a nightclub, chances are, she doing to to pull men - this is much worse than pickup artists.

Yeh, wearing a Wonderbra to make your boobs look nice - the epitome of conniving.
Any bra gives boobs a lift. Better than not wearing one and causing them to droop prematurely.
(Stuffing one's bra is fairly OTT I'd agree).
Women should ensure not to get dressed in clothes that flatter them either when going out - baggy pants and t-shirts ftw!

I don't agree with the assertion that women wear make-up for other women though.