TD calls for urgent action vs Dublin ISIS branch

Grab All Association · 21-11-2014 08:23AM

People in the major towns/cities are angry and fed up of subsidizing rural areas. Especially since the abolition of town/borough/city councils all money that was raised and spent in these towns is going to be spent on small villages.

Take a mid sized town like Nenagh for example. Nenagh town council got €700k from the DOE in 2013 that was all the funding these local authorities got which when compared to what the County Councils get for rural areas its pennies.

Nenagh Town Council had over €30 million (can't remember if it was 33 or 39 million) in its bank account. All this money was raised in the town through parking, business rates, council rents etc.

When the town council was abolished in June all this money went to the bank account of the new Tipperary county council to be spent on filling potholes in some god foresaken places like Portroe/Terryglass/Kilsheelan etc.

The people in these towns/cities througout the country will not only be paying more (through property taxes) and getting less services. But will be paying a lot more for their 2 bed apartments/town houses than farmer Peader will be paying for his 5 bed house out in the sticks. I think the property tax should have included land. As Michael Noonan said last year its the end of era of bailouts. Its all bail ins now.

Also the ESB. Now to be fair you do pay a higher standing charge in rural Ireland than those in the towns and cities but that doesn't exactly cover the cost of bringing electricity out there. In urban areas the price of electricity shouldn't be as high as it but you are paying more than you should be to cover the losses the ESB makes in rural Ireland.

Streetwalker · 21-11-2014 08:48AM

Rightwing wrote: »

So he says the Dublin punters are parasites. He got something right anyway I suppose.

Yeah my 78 year old neighbour who ran his own clothing business for 45 odd years and never took a day's social welfare pay in his life attended the protest but he's a parasite. :rolleyes:

Grab All Association · 21-11-2014 09:00AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Yeah my 78 year old neighbour who ran his own clothing business for 45 odd years and never took a day's social welfare pay in his life attended the protest but he's a parasite. :rolleyes:

Yes he is apparently. He threw a water balloon at poor Minister Burton and shouted something in Arabic whilst holding his iPhone 6 to video it.

mikemac1 · 21-11-2014 09:03AM

Terryglass is godforsaken??

They are extremely proud of their wins in the Tidy Towns :cool:

vicwatson · 21-11-2014 09:04AM

Wexford County Council recently spent €10,000.00 on android tablets for their councillors to cut down on paper :eek:

Unreal whats still going on

ebbsy · 21-11-2014 10:39AM

cometogether wrote: »

What a moron. The only word I can think for that man based on that clip.

That good sir is an insult to morons.

SEPT 23 1989 · 21-11-2014 11:07AM

This carrot crunching ignoramus needs to learn some manners

rob316 · 21-11-2014 11:11AM

I don't even have the words for what he said, engage the brain before you open the mouth man seriously.

DamagedTrax · 21-11-2014 11:17AM

it was dublin water protesters behind the twin towers, dont ye know.

DeadHand · 21-11-2014 11:31AM

I often think we have the most ignorant and inarticulate political class in Europe.

Just off the top of my head, I can recall a minister for education who couldn't differentiate between Darwin and Einstein, a senator who claimed, in all seriousness, that Dublin's seagulls had "lost the run of themselves" and a councillor who called for the introduction of drink driving licences.

Now this fool.

If you ever watch footage from the House of Commons, in terms of wit and oratory, it's like they are a different species to our crowd.

mickdw · 21-11-2014 11:43AM

Chris___ wrote: »

People in the major towns/cities are angry and fed up of subsidizing rural areas. Especially since the abolition of town/borough/city councils all money that was raised and spent in these towns is going to be spent on small villages.

Take a mid sized town like Nenagh for example. Nenagh town council got €700k from the DOE in 2013 that was all the funding these local authorities got which when compared to what the County Councils get for rural areas its pennies.

Nenagh Town Council had over €30 million (can't remember if it was 33 or 39 million) in its bank account. All this money was raised in the town through parking, business rates, council rents etc.

When the town council was abolished in June all this money went to the bank account of the new Tipperary county council to be spent on filling potholes in some god foresaken places like Portroe/Terryglass/Kilsheelan etc.

The people in these towns/cities througout the country will not only be paying more (through property taxes) and getting less services. But will be paying a lot more for their 2 bed apartments/town houses than farmer Peader will be paying for his 5 bed house out in the sticks. I think the property tax should have included land. As Michael Noonan said last year its the end of era of bailouts. Its all bail ins now.

Also the ESB. Now to be fair you do pay a higher standing charge in rural Ireland than those in the towns and cities but that doesn't exactly cover the cost of bringing electricity out there. In urban areas the price of electricity shouldn't be as high as it but you are paying more than you should be to cover the losses the ESB makes in rural Ireland.

You are making a fundamental error in you're argument re town v country funding.
You correctly quote business rates as a major source of urban area funding. Is it not obvious that many of these businesses serve the rural people and as such the rural people are funding the bussiness rates for the most part. If you consider that a town is just a focal point where all people be they rural or urban based come to do business / spend money, it is silly then to suggest that all the council taxes raised through that spending should be splashed on the town itself only.

Balmed Out · 21-11-2014 11:51AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Here's some actual facts you can mull over when you get up.

From what ive written do you think I would be surprised that more taxes are raised in urban areas or that grants given to councils will be more where there is a low population density??????

Ill put it more literally. Lets look at the big agriculture companies like kerrygold, glanbia, greencore etc etc. There is no doubt that the wealth creation all occurs in rural areas. Now where are there head quarters, from where are their wages issued, taxes paid etc etc.

We are a tiny nation and a tiny economy that is intertwined and there will be some areas more productive then others but were all inter-dependant on each other and trying to point score urban / rural, cork / rest of ireland, dublin / rest of ireland will inevitably depend on ignoring facts and plucking favourable statistics while ignoring others.

Grayson · 21-11-2014 11:53AM

I know I always say that FG are the lesser evil. FF are corrupt and after the mess they got us into they should never be allowed into power again.

However... FG do produce some absolute morons. Between this numpty and Fidelma Healy Eames and others, they make the whole party look like morons (and it's probably only 50% that are idiots).

John_Rambo · 21-11-2014 12:04PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

From what ive written do you think I would be surprised that more taxes are raised in urban areas or that grants given to councils will be more where there is a low population density??????

Yes. Very much so. And, good morning.

Balmed Out · 21-11-2014 12:15PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Yes. Very much so. And, good morning.

Fair enough, Im not from a rural area. My point is that Ireland is small, very small. Where wealth is created is not necessarily where the taxes are paid or the wages issued from. Its impossible to create an actual accurate map of this. A company based largely in cork harbour (rural) may employ mainly from cork city but have its wages issued from and taxes paid from a smaller admin centre in Dublin. Its all intertwined and saying one supports the other is something that can never be verified.

Obviously there will be highly productive urban areas and rural areas where theres nothing going on beside some tumbleweed blowing down a mountainside. Theres also urban areas with massive unemployment and welfare spending and rural areas exporting zinc or whatever.

Sorry my manners, Good morning to you too. Now time for lunch mmmmm

Lapin · 21-11-2014 12:20PM

I'm in two minds about this.

I've always said our TDs look pathetic when reading from pre-prepared scripts written by civil servants, rather than standing up and speaking off the cuff and saying what they really think.

Now I'm not so sure.

madmaxi · 21-11-2014 12:31PM

He's back peddling now

Link

Wossack · 21-11-2014 12:39PM

madmaxi wrote: »

He's back peddling now Link

Not entirely...

Mr Coonan said he did not condone the beheading of people in the Middle East by ISIS.

“Families have suffered, it is an appalling state of affairs.”

However Mr Coonan said if water charge protesters, such as some participants in Jobstown last weekend, “were left unchecked, they have the potential to become that way in time.”

waters balloons one minute, the severed heads of their enemies the next, aye Noel?

Rightwing · 21-11-2014 12:39PM

This chap isn't the exception, he's more the rule.

Some of our TDs may not even have passed their Leaving certs, and they are given control of the country frightening when one thinks about it. No wonder we, and most other countries have massive debt.

John_Rambo · 21-11-2014 12:45PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

Fair enough

Right, you're back peddling like your pal in the Dail.

I said the urban areas subsidise the rural areas. You said it works both ways.

It doesn't.

Whilst there are amazing home grown rural companies that pump money in to their area, they still don't keep rural Ireland afloat. Rural Ireland is massively dependent on the cities. Big or small, doesn't matter. They support rural areas. So, your smartypants comments about "where the work is carried out" is a fact. Like it or not, the workers are in the cities, the taxes are made in the cities, the money floods out of the cities to rural areas.

That's a fact supported by stats.

Macavity. · 21-11-2014 12:45PM

It's a stupid comparison but I'm not exactly seeing the story in it.

gladrags · 21-11-2014 12:57PM

Grayson wrote: »

I know I always say that FG are the lesser evil. FF are corrupt and after the mess they got us into they should never be allowed into power again.

However... FG do produce some absolute morons. Between this numpty and Fidelma Healy Eames and others, they make the whole party look like morons (and it's probably only 50% that are idiots).

Throw in Hogan,Kenny and O'Reilly.

conorhal · 21-11-2014 01:00PM

I assume, the the British MP that lost her job for this tweet yesterday, that he will be resigning for the contempt he has for the working class electorate?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-30139832

Caliden · 21-11-2014 01:01PM

Macavity. wrote: »

It's a stupid comparison but I'm not exactly seeing the story in it.

I think the 'nip it in the bud' comment is what got me.

Now while he may have been directing that purely at the protesters who are violent, it could be interpreted that he meant the protests themselves; which he certainly doesn't want to mean.

Rightwing · 21-11-2014 01:05PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Right, you're back peddling like your pal in the Dail.

I said the urban areas subsidise the rural areas. You said it works both ways.

It doesn't.

Whilst there are amazing home grown rural companies that pump money in to their area, they still don't keep rural Ireland afloat. Rural Ireland is massively dependent on the cities. Big or small, doesn't matter. They support rural areas. So, your smartypants comments about "where the work is carried out" is a fact. Like it or not, the workers are in the cities, the taxes are made in the cities, the money floods out of the cities to rural areas.

That's a fact supported by stats.

This is 1 extremely dense post.

Of course it works both ways.

drumswan · 21-11-2014 01:09PM

Rightwing wrote: »

This is 1 extremely dense post.

Of course it works both ways.

Its doesnt though. Urban areas subsidise rural areas.

Maybe we should reduce country peoples votes to be more in line with their contribution to the economy. We'd have less gob****es like this guy embarrassing us.

Rightwing · 21-11-2014 01:14PM

drumswan wrote: »

Its doesnt though. Urban areas subsidise rural areas.

Maybe we should reduce country peoples votes to be more in line with their contribution to the economy. We'd have less gob****es like this guy embarrassing us.

Someone with little to no education would think that. Country people move into cities, feeding into the growth of that particular regio, and the cycle continues. You need to look at it as an investment.

Take M O Leary. A country man. Was he an asset or a liability to the country?

Balmed Out · 21-11-2014 01:16PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Right, you're back peddling like your pal in the Dail.

I said the urban areas subsidise the rural areas. You said it works both ways.

It doesn't.

Whilst there are amazing home grown rural companies that pump money in to their area, they still don't keep rural Ireland afloat. Rural Ireland is massively dependent on the cities. Big or small, doesn't matter. They support rural areas. So, your smartypants comments about "where the work is carried out" is a fact. Like it or not, the workers are in the cities, the taxes are made in the cities, the money floods out of the cities to rural areas.

That's a fact supported by stats.

I think your confusing me with someone else. I have not back peddled. I have not said urban ares support rural areas and I have not said rural areas support urban areas. I have said they depend on each other.

Im not so smart as to understand your smartypants comment.

My point is we are a tiny country and a tiny economy with urban and rural areas inter dependent on each other.
Im sure your intelligent enough to realise that there are workers in rural areas too who carry out their work in rural areas. The difference is if you look at their costs most of the money they pay out will be going towards suppliers and utility companies based in urban areas and much of the money spent by the workers will be spent in the nearest urban areas. Their work supports the shops, banks etc etc in local urban areas. On the other hand much of the demand for the results of their labour will tend to be in urban areas.
-> Rural and Urban depend on each other, its not possible to on a national scale determine which one does more then the other. Were such a small economy I really cant see the point of trying to argue the point.

sky6 · 21-11-2014 01:19PM

chrysagon wrote: »

Coonan from TIPP.... THE same county that gave us Lowry, and we all know what he was doing... feathering the nest

It shows how misguided the people in this county really are.

As for Coonan he should be forced to apologize or resign.

drumswan · 21-11-2014 01:20PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Someone with little to no education would think that. Country people move into cities, feeding into the growth of that particular regio, and the cycle continues. You need to look at it as an investment.

Take M O Leary. A country man. Was he an asset or a liability to the country?

When a country person moves to the city to work then they are part of that cities output. You should run for the Dail in Tipperary, youd probably get elected on the intellectual ticket.

TD calls for urgent action vs Dublin ISIS branch

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