Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

wadacrack · 20-11-2014 08:40PM

no worry about yourself and dont be a little rat

gormdubhgorm · 20-11-2014 08:41PM

If it was excessive fraud I would.

But not if they if they were struggling to get by and it was the only way they could survive.

lanos · 20-11-2014 08:44PM

lanos wrote: »

you seem to be very well informed
what is the source of all this knowlege.
i only ask because you have declared a history of hairdressing and waitressing.

Littlekittylou wrote: »

The net.

I thought as much
Looks like scare mongering to me.

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 08:50PM

lanos wrote: »

I thought as much
Looks like scare mongering to me.

Well it's good to be scared of committing benefit fraud!

duckcfc · 20-11-2014 08:52PM

Isn't it a hard thing to prove thou. Say there's a guy like previously mentioned signing on on his parents house and living with his lone parent girlfriend how can they enforce it. Sure its against that girls human rights not to let her have someone stay over. I know he isn't aloud to legally live there but he's aloud to stay there a few nights. That's the difficult part for the government, trying to prove it

lanos · 20-11-2014 08:56PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

Well it's good to be scared of committing benefit fraud!

Good luck on your crusade to scare would-be fraudsters away from a life of fraud by stating, as fact, information gleaned from "the net"
which may or may not be true.

Beaner1 · 20-11-2014 08:57PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

F'kin hell. My dad pulled out one of his own teeth with a set of pliers because he couldn't afford to go the dentist but then he's got massive debt along with his unemployment which he created all himself.

Couldn't you have let one of your bills slide for a week or month and paid for the dentist?

That's why a reasonable adult keeps a rainy day fund when times are food and doesn't spend or gamble every cent they get. I've no sympathy. I'm also fairly sure that emergency dentistry is covered by welfare.

omega man · 20-11-2014 09:00PM

wadacrack wrote: »

no worry about yourself and dont be a little rat

Ok you're not a "rat", good for you. Out of curiosity how far does that extend, witness to a violent crime for example or is it just purely SW cheats?

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 09:01PM

Beaner1 wrote: »

That's why a reasonable adult keeps a rainy day fund when times are food and doesn't spend or gamble every cent they get. I've no sympathy. I'm also fairly sure that emergency dentistry is covered by welfare.

I think people on the dole get a Medical card? I'm not sure.

bobmalooka · 20-11-2014 09:04PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

€2.6 Million a week doesn't sound relatively small to me

http://www.thejournal.ie/jobseekers-allowance-fraud-state-fraud-1692498-Sep2014/

I can understand where you're coming from when faced with that information.

However they are allowed to include errors which have been corrected in those figures as the adjustment is made by the "fraud" department but somehow they leave out 'negative variances' (errors which favour the recipient).

It's all games. Hopefully someday we put the money into creating employment for the significant amount of people who are desperate to work. (Something which actually will benefit all)

duckcfc · 20-11-2014 09:21PM

omega man wrote: »

Ok you're not a "rat", good for you. Out of curiosity how far does that extend, witness to a violent crime for example or is it just purely SW cheats?

Where I come from, ya keep your mouth shut

pragmatic1 · 20-11-2014 09:30PM

Nope. I know people that are dole cheats, but snitching is just lousy.

Gannicus · 20-11-2014 09:36PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So would you do it?

Yes

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Have you ever done it?

I have done it 3 time before.

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Would you be hesitant to do it? Interested in the AH consensus here.

Have had absolutely no hesitation in doing it. I will do it again if I come across more information showing people defrauding the state and the working people.

I come from an area in Dublin where the done things are:
1. To have the other half living there while keeping him off the birth cert and claiming lone parents, rent allowance, medical cards etc.
or
2. Claim JSA or FIS or some other forms of payment then go out and work aswell full/part time
or
3. Any other welfare defrauding scheme they can muster.

It boils my blood to hear people thinking that it's "not hurting anyone" or "sure if I can get away with it why not" or "loads of other people do it" or whatever excuse people want to use to exculpate their actions.

The thing comes up this time of year to is when Mr. and Mrs. dole cheat say things like "I need to get 10 year old deco or chantelle an iphone 6 so I have to cheat the dole" or "how else are we supposed to bring the kids to Ibiza on a summer holiday?"

I know the media sensationalize a lot of the last statement on chat shows etc to get a rise out of the public but then when I hear it in the pub or friends of friends talking on the streets.

pauliebdub wrote: »

Depends who it was:

A friend or relative that i cared about - no

Neighbour or someone i didnt like - yes.

Report everybody or nobody. Picking and choosing doesn't help the system. Thats why its being taken such advantage of. I've reported a friend's little brother (working and claiming)and a work colleague (living with his kid and OH while she claimed). Both had been caught and reprimanded accordingly. I would actually implore anyone who knows of someone defrauding the system to report them.

duckcfc wrote: »

Isn't it a hard thing to prove thou. Say there's a guy like previously mentioned signing on on his parents house and living with his lone parent girlfriend how can they enforce it. Sure its against that girls human rights not to let her have someone stay over. I know he isn't aloud to legally live there but he's aloud to stay there a few nights. That's the difficult part for the government, trying to prove it

Apparently they send someone in to monitor the said couple or ask the neighbours. I've heard of one such case a couple years ago where the showed up after a few reports with an order to search the house and see the utility bills to see who was living there. Now I have a strange feeling the last one may be a tad hyperbolic but obviously they are catching people because the number of people caught is on the rise.

costadeldole · 20-11-2014 09:44PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

The only axe grinding is those who are milking the system.
There is a minority group in this country and a minority of them arrive home at Christmas in expensive UK registered cars
Can one take it that a minority of those are claiming the dole or indeed a minority of the Irish based minority group who are driving around modern vans and jeeps may also be on the take.
Anyone pulling them up or because they are a minority group they should be treated differently?

This may surprise you, but its the truth.
The majority of revenue stream going to the Rathkeale Rovers isn't from rhino horn thefts. Its actually from commercial tarmaccing across Europe, mostly Germany. They are away for months at a time, and therefore don't sign on or claim dole (or need to).
The UK prestige jeeps and saloons are nearly all hire cars. Very few of them are actually owned. There wouldn't be much use for them, as they are away in Europe for months at a time.
Another main revenue stream is betting on bare knuckle fights, with 50,000 going on one fight typically, one can see how 4 fights per year won at 200,000 is enough to pay for brand new Transits and caravans, and weddings as and when needed. Dole wouldn't fund nor suppliment this level of income to make it worth doing. Yes, some of them do claim, but its actually a lot less than you might think.

looking_around · 20-11-2014 09:50PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

I think people on the dole get a Medical card? I'm not sure.

medical card covers, for dentist, one extraction, one filling, one check up per year.this is all it covers, no root canals, xrays etc. you're fecked if you're unlucky enough to need 2 in the same year.

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 09:58PM

looking_around wrote: »

medical card covers, for dentist, one extraction, one filling, one check up per year.this is all it covers, no root canals, xrays etc. you're fecked if you're unlucky enough to need 2 in the same year.

Wow ..still a lot though. What else does it cover?

lanos · 20-11-2014 11:04PM

Gannicus wrote: »

It boils my blood to hear people thinking that it's "not hurting anyone" or "sure if I can get away with it why not" or "loads of other people do it" or whatever excuse people want to use to exculpate their actions.

You really need to take stock of your own life.
You are obviously unhappy with how your life has turned out.
Get a better job, go to college for training, get a girlfriend, find a new hobby.
Get stoned\pissed, anything really.
Stop ratting people out and stop being such a miserable cnut

B.A._Baracus · 20-11-2014 11:56PM

Being honest, I get why people hate "dole-cheats" - that being in the purest sense of the term, like someone getting the dole while working full time on the side. Thats bloody fraud!

But everytime I think that I can't help but say "life isnt fair" which is messed up.
Take some bloke on the dole who works full time with cash in hand. He's working the system. Then take some guy in a suit who runs a business. He hires a creative accountant to pay less tax. He is working the system too.

Obviously Joe-suit contributes something. So you could say he is putting in his bit. But what is contributing to tax? none of us sure want to pay it. Sure if the social welfare got abolished tomorrow taxes wouldn't go down.

Then we come down to the reality of life. Most people only ever report when they don't like somebody. But wouldn't report someone they did like... So all this is just hot air me thinks.

duckcfc · 21-11-2014 12:18AM

Gannicus wrote: »

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Apparently they send someone in to monitor the said couple or ask the neighbours. I've heard of one such case a couple years ago where the showed up after a few reports with an order to search the house and see the utility bills to see who was living there. Now I have a strange feeling the last one may be a tad hyperbolic but obviously they are catching people because the number of people caught is on the rise.

The neighbours wouldnt know 100% if one stayed in the house all the time. Its not Luke they sit looking out their window 24/7 and they would have to make a statement that would stand up in court. Not many would do that!

What you mean utility bills, how in the name of good fcuk is that going to prove anything.

As for you, your scum!

NotASheeple · 21-11-2014 12:24AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

No. Going after the big fish would be more my concern.

con___manx1 · 21-11-2014 12:30AM

what if you new someone had a few small kids and was hard up fr cash. i couldnt do that anyway

Gannicus · 21-11-2014 09:22AM

lanos wrote: »

You really need to take stock of your own life.
You are obviously unhappy with how your life has turned out.
Get a better job, go to college for training, get a girlfriend, find a new hobby.
Get stoned\pissed, anything really.
Stop ratting people out and stop being such a miserable cnut

I am quite happy with how my life is. I am saving for a house. I am happy enough with my job. Like many others I would like a few quid more each month in my paycheck. I have finished college and going back to do another course next year. I have hobby's, don't want a gf. I fail to see how my getting stoned or pissed is going to make welfare fraud okay.

duckcfc wrote: »

The neighbours wouldnt know 100% if one stayed in the house all the time. Its not Luke they sit looking out their window 24/7 and they would have to make a statement that would stand up in court. Not many would do that!

What you mean utility bills, how in the name of good fcuk is that going to prove anything.

As for you, your scum!

Well if Mr. X is not supposed to be living with Ms. Y then there'd be no need to have the Sky+ or Wi-Fi bills in his name, stuff like that. I fail to see how my personal opinion about people defrauding the welfare system makes me scum. It obviously says a lot about your character to resort to such belittlement.

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-11-2014 09:23AM

lanos wrote: »

You really need to take stock of your own life.
You are obviously unhappy with how your life has turned out.
Get a better job, go to college for training, get a girlfriend, find a new hobby.
Get stoned\pissed, anything really.
Stop ratting people out and stop being such a miserable cnut

So reporting a crime makes someone miserable?

chicorytip · 21-11-2014 11:25AM

For reasons of confidentiality Welfare will never reveal the outcome of investigations based on anonymous tip-offs.Complainants therefore,never have the satisfaction of actually knowing whether those they suspect of cheating are nabbed or not.

ireland.man · 21-11-2014 11:36AM

chicorytip wrote: »

For reasons of confidentiality Welfare will never reveal the outcome of investigations based on anonymous tip-offs.Complainants therefore,never have the satisfaction of actually knowing whether those they suspect of cheating are nabbed or not.

Do people think feeling 'satisfaction' is a positive personality attribute in this case?

What outcome would someone need to see to feel happy, is it the woman suffering severe anxiety going to court, or the man sitting awake at night wondering how he can continue to be a provider to his kids, for example?

It makes me laugh to see the media and small minded people constantly harping on about dole cheats when in Britain for example, £900 million is lost annually to welfare fraud whereas from £100 bn (!) up to £150 bn is lost to tax theft there every year. That's a tenth of their GDP! And you can of course assume Irish businessmen and rules around the rich here is equally permissive. The fact is, dole cheats make up a tiny fraction of what's wrong in our economy but the focus on them is way out of proportion.

duckcfc · 21-11-2014 12:05PM

chicorytip wrote: »

For reasons of confidentiality Welfare will never reveal the outcome of investigations based on anonymous tip-offs.Complainants therefore,never have the satisfaction of actually knowing whether those they suspect of cheating are nabbed or not.

In this new information highway age, that's not true because with the right person behind a computer, anything is possible. I even know someone who works in a dole office who actually told me who 2 informers where. Your a fool if you think everything is secret in this day and age!

duckcfc · 21-11-2014 12:09PM

Gannicus wrote: »

I am quite happy with how my life is. I am saving for a house. I am happy enough with my job. Like many others I would like a few quid more each month in my paycheck. I have finished college and going back to do another course next year. I have hobby's, don't want a gf. I fail to see how my getting stoned or pissed is going to make welfare fraud okay.

Well if Mr. X is not supposed to be living with Ms. Y then there'd be no need to have the Sky+ or Wi-Fi bills in his name, stuff like that. I fail to see how my personal opinion about people defrauding the welfare system makes me scum. It obviously says a lot about your character to resort to such belittlement.

Think about the world we live in and think about the politician's running this country. Dole cheats are a drop in the ocean and its usually people just scrapping by. I don't do it, never have but wouldn't tout on someone who did. I just couldn't lower myself to do such a thing. You see, I'm not jealous or have any negative emotions to make me stoop so low.

Means Of Escape · 21-11-2014 12:10PM

lanos wrote: »

You really need to take stock of your own life.
You are obviously unhappy with how your life has turned out.
Get a better job, go to college for training, get a girlfriend, find a new hobby.
Get stoned\pissed, anything really.
Stop ratting people out and stop being such a

You did just that I'll warrant!

Means Of Escape · 21-11-2014 12:13PM

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Nope. I know people that are dole cheats, but snitching is just lousy.

Sell them all down the crapper.
Laughing their asses off at you all.

Shanotheslayer · 21-11-2014 12:25PM

I remember working awhile back and basucally for me if I worked more 3 days I wouldn't get Social. But if I worked 2 I would. 2 days could be 2 4 hour shifts. So 8 hours a week. But if I did 3 days at 4 hours I wouldn't get Social. But if I did 2 full days at 7.5 hours a day I would get 15 hours a week and get Social. It was pure bullsh1t.

Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

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