What would you think of the legalization of LSD and MDMA?

Augmerson · 20-11-2014 01:43PM

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I'd be in favour of having them decriminalised. If someone wants to go around eating the jaw off themselves, or heading into the jacks to get gacked up for an hour then off they go. In many ways I think it would be preferable to legalising weed – you rarely get someone who likes a pill going on about how it’s harmless, the world’s greatest medicine and painkiller, a massive untapped source of revenue, and some sort of fúcking magical potion like the way stoners do about their stash of hash.

People on pills constantly go on about how they should be legal and given to everybody.

Until they start coming down.

Grayson · 20-11-2014 01:45PM

cheif kaiser wrote: »

Legalizing any drug. effectively approves of it's use and use of them should never be approved!

No it doesn't. There are muslim countries where most lawmakers are muslim and they still allow alcohol. They certainly don't drink and don't approve of it.

It's legal there because they realise that if other people want to, it's none of their business.

20-11-2014 01:46PM

DamagedTrax wrote: »

but decriminalised for personal amounts? definitely 100%

Then again you're still stuck with criminal gangs and all the **** that goes with that crap.

20-11-2014 01:47PM

Augmerson wrote: »

People on pills constantly go on about how they should be legal and given to everybody.

Until they start coming down.

Can't say I've come across that. Stuff from the headshop led to some funny and not-so-funny next-day stories though.

Buona Fortuna · 20-11-2014 01:47PM

We should go a stage further. Free drugs for all. Make up the exchquer by charging for water.

Now that won't make Ireland a tropical island paradise but it will sure seem like it.

Useful.Idiot · 20-11-2014 01:49PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Should we allow idiots to kill themselves with drink and drugs?

Idiots will kill themselves with drink and drugs regardless of their legality.

Akrasia wrote: »

Ectasy is an awesome drug that does very little harm if used responsibly and if it is in a pure state.

Everyone should try a psychotropic drug like LSD or magic mushrooms at least once in their lives (unless they have a medical or psychological condition that would make it too dangerous). If they were legalised and there were clear instructions on the packaging, then using these drugs would be much much safer (ie, don't try to fly by jumping out a 4th floor window, take off from the ground first)

The vast majority of people who try LSD only do it a few times. Very few people use it habitually because the body builds up a tolerance very quickly so it's only effective if you use it very infrequently. Those that take LSD regularly, were probably already away with the fairies before they touched any drugs.

I'd love to be able to go to a pharmacy and get a little bit of MDMA that I knew was properly manufactured, pure and in the correct regulated dose, and then go dancing once or twice a year. It would be awesome. it wouldn't ruin my life, it would make it better.

This is absolutely spot on. LSD, MDMA and Cannabis are all healthier to use than booze and fags in moderation.

In topics like these I always wonder if legalisation of these substances would actually lead to a significant increase in consumption. The law never stops those who are interested in recreational drugs from obtaining them.

Decriminalisation for personal use is definitely a good step as persecuting people for carrying minor amounts of these substances are a waste of state resources. Actually legislating and regulating the substances would reduce deaths from contaminated street drugs.

DamagedTrax · 20-11-2014 01:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Then again you're still stuck with criminal gangs and all the **** that goes with that crap.

i know, its a sticky one.

WoollyRedHat · 20-11-2014 02:39PM

I think they should be introduced to a pick n-mix, then watch the magic unfold.

pedro1234 · 20-11-2014 03:35PM

Balmed Out wrote: »

And then the rest of us should need to spend hard earned taxes on your treatment and care for the rest of your lifetime

Eh, not one cent from anyone's taxes go towards my health care. I pay 300 quid a month for private health insurance so your point is MOOT. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT.

pedro1234 · 20-11-2014 03:41PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Should we allow idiots to kill themselves with drink and drugs?

Yes, and by their own hand too if they wish it so.

pragmatic1 · 20-11-2014 03:45PM

They should never have been made illegal in the first place.

AboutaWeekAgo · 20-11-2014 03:48PM

Both should be legal. Sure it wasn't that long ago when you could walk into a shop and get your dose of magic mushrooms, pure stupidity that they were banned.

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 04:07PM

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Apologies if moderators deem this an inappropriate topic to be discussing.
These are two substances that don't seem to cause any harm, as long as they're not used incorrectly, or laced with something else, which seems to cause most of the issues with both drugs. I think the legalization of these drugs(as well as cannabis, but that's for another discussion) would minimize the harm caused by them, though they should be tightly controlled. I think it should be necessary to have some kind of card that connects to a centralized database, and only allows a small amount of them to be purchased, say, 1 or two doses a week. All of the horror stories from these drugs I've heard is when either someone took an insane dose, or took pills which were adulterated with something else. Legalization, even in a strictly controlled way, would practically eliminate drug dealers over night, as well as fatalities(not so much from LSD, but MDMA), while the potential for abuse is still there, I think it's a lot less than it is right now, practically everyone I know could have their hands on either of these drugs in an hour if they wanted, so it's not really making them much more available than they already are.

That's bloody brilliant.

I would never use them personally. I would never want there to be peer pressure to use things like those amongst young people.

I do think there should be more public info on drugs and perhaps public testing to see what is actually being sold.

I think it's silly to treat weed like it is a miracle drug. But it is a soft drug.

I know people who use weed who are good people and I know people who use who are mental.

Anyway some states in the US are moving towards it. And I think that will have a knock on affect.

I would never touch it personally. I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't eat meat.

Funny enough though every veg or vegan group meeting I go to will have at least one pot smoker. You can tell.

In the Netherlands legalizing soft drugs reduced the use of harder drugs.

I would never want it in my body. I would never want to feel pressure to take it like some people try to put you under to drink.

But education and information should be offered.

Spencer Winterbotham · 20-11-2014 04:13PM

All drugs should be legalised.

The war on drugs failed.

Stick your rosary beads up your anus.

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 04:17PM

Spencer Winterbotham wrote: »

Stick your rosary beads up your anus.

I would love it if your name was Spencer Winterbottom :-)

Can you have it changed?

Great post.

RDM_83 again · 20-11-2014 04:31PM

just about the portugal model and its apparent great success. Portugal was starting from a really low base and a serious problem. It may be the correct model but this should be kept in mind

The One Doctor · 20-11-2014 05:02PM

Pure MDMA would certainly be a good drug to try. LSD, not unless you had a sitter with you and a good idea of what would happen. I'd support the legalisation of pure MDMA ahead of any other drug. And I've never even taken Ecstasy, I'm just aware of the multiple advantages that MDMA has.

Benteke · 20-11-2014 05:05PM

Was their not tests done that showed LSD had a good effect on people with depression? Either way if someone wants to take these sort of drugs then theirs nothing you can do about it, As it stand dealers will make all the profits while the usual boards.ie posters come on here and tell us its wrong even though their is a good chance their own sons and daughters are probably experimenting in their friends bedrooms while they tell their parents they're having a sleep over

strobe · 20-11-2014 05:08PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Should we allow idiots to kill themselves with drink and drugs?

We should provide education and support and advice and safegaurds to reduce the amount of people that do so accidently or recklessly, and we should provide mental health support and help for the people who's lives have developed in a way that they wish to do so purposefully to try and convince them it's not the way things have to go. You won't save everyone regardless of what you do, but all the current system really does is sweeps things under the carpet so that Paddy Politician can turn to hysterical oul ones at election time and make false promises about keeping little Johnny safe while little Johnny takes pills in a club he hopes are what they're meant to be and utilises the advice of kids his own age as it's patently obvious a lot of the 'official advice' is bullsh1tty scaremongering pit out to keep little Johnny's oul one scared and voting.

danrua01 · 20-11-2014 05:08PM

Regulated and taxed, why not. People will complain that thousands of people will abuse it and cause bodily harm to themselves and others, just as we do with alcohol, and drugs that are already illegal.

It would, most probably, lead to an awareness of the dangers of abuse, and the medical needs to deal with it.

Earl Turner · 20-11-2014 05:48PM

Is it true MDMA makes girls really slutty?

Gbear · 20-11-2014 05:52PM

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

This is absolutely spot on. LSD, MDMA and Cannabis are all healthier to use than booze and fags in moderation.

If the government wanted to do something useful it would actively encourage people to move over to these substances instead of alcohol and tobacco.

Andy-Pandy · 20-11-2014 05:55PM

LSD im not to sure about (perhaps under much stricter guidelines) but MDMA should be legal. Its illegality is madness. It is one of the safer forms of drugs and has one of the most positive effect on its users. The majority of the legal highs that try to imitate its effects are very dangerous while the effects of MDMA on the body are minimal. Most of the deaths in the news that are reported as being from MDMA are due to either imitation substances such as PMA or from people not knowing the rights and wrongs of their effects i.e drinking to much water. The substance itself is beautiful.

ScumLord · 20-11-2014 06:37PM

Littlekittylou wrote: »

I do think there should be more public info on drugs and perhaps public testing to see what is actually being sold.

Would this be unbiased information or just more of the same drugs are bad, they do all these bad things, don't do them or you'll turn into a drug addict and die a prostitute on the street by the end of the week?

People seem to think a dose of LSD will send you off to another planet which just isn't true, a dose will just bring on mild visuals and a feeling of euphoria. You have to take a fairly big dose to completely lose the run of yourself.

It's fairly harmless, one of the best things about it is it just ends, one minute you're under it's effects and then suddenly it stops and your back to normal. Although I'd feel much better using mushrooms, LSD is a chemical made in a bathtub, shrooms are communing with nature.

I'm not convinced on MDMA, that can have a pretty hard comedown which just leads me to believe it's bad for you. The comedown can last a few days too. That may be down to quality but it's a drug your body will become accustomed to which just encourages higher and higher doses. I'm not a fan of it anymore, I think you go through a phase and then just get sick of it.

Schwiiing · 20-11-2014 06:48PM

If a bad batch wipes out a few Darwin Award nominees then society wins.

ScumLord · 20-11-2014 06:50PM

Schwiiing wrote: »

If a bad batch wipes out a few Darwin Award nominees then society wins.

So you want to keep drugs illegal on the off chance it kills people, I suppose that's worth keeping an illegal multibillion euro international drug trade around for.

Schwiiing · 20-11-2014 07:04PM

ScumLord wrote: »

So you want to keep drugs illegal on the off chance it kills people, I suppose that's worth keeping an illegal multibillion euro international drug trade around for.

If people had the good sense to not pump unknown chemical ****e into themselves then there would be no billion euro illegal drug trade. Sadly, a world like it is a fairytale.

hidinginthebush · 20-11-2014 07:04PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tdcGmBefM

In all seriousness though, wasn't David Nutt fired as UK govts drug adviser after releasing and refusing to retract an article that found ecstasy (MDMA) to be safer than alcohol, tobacco, cannabis and all the rest?

Littlekittylou · 20-11-2014 07:06PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Would this be unbiased information or just more of the same drugs are bad, they do all these bad things, don't do them or you'll turn into a drug addict and die a prostitute on the street by the end of the week?

People seem to think a dose of LSD will send you off to another planet which just isn't true, a dose will just bring on mild visuals and a feeling of euphoria. You have to take a fairly big dose to completely lose the run of yourself.

It's fairly harmless, one of the best things about it is it just ends, one minute you're under it's effects and then suddenly it stops and your back to normal. Although I'd feel much better using mushrooms, LSD is a chemical made in a bathtub, shrooms are communing with nature.

I'm not convinced on MDMA, that can have a pretty hard comedown which just leads me to believe it's bad for you. The comedown can last a few days too. That may be down to quality but it's a drug your body will become accustomed to which just encourages higher and higher doses. I'm not a fan of it anymore, I think you go through a phase and then just get sick of it.

Actually if you read my post I say I am in favor of the OP proposal to legalize soft drugs.

Personally I would never wish to consume it. But I don't drink either.

But yes unbiased info. As in medical fact. Not some scare sheet but what you could actually expect to experience. Genuine upsides and down sides.

Like facts on alcohol.

Yurt2 · 20-11-2014 07:14PM

Isn't LSD bad news bear for people with a genetic predisposition to mental health issues? E.g it can trigger schizophrenia in people who have a familial history of it?

In general I'm in favour of more liberal drug laws, particularly naturally occuring one's such as Mary Jane and 'shrooms and to a lesser extent cocaine.

Stuff made in a lab I'd be more wary of legalizing.

What would you think of the legalization of LSD and MDMA?

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