What would you think of the legalization of LSD and MDMA?

BetterThanThou · 20-11-2014 03:07AM #1

Apologies if moderators deem this an inappropriate topic to be discussing.
These are two substances that don't seem to cause any harm, as long as they're not used incorrectly, or laced with something else, which seems to cause most of the issues with both drugs. I think the legalization of these drugs(as well as cannabis, but that's for another discussion) would minimize the harm caused by them, though they should be tightly controlled. I think it should be necessary to have some kind of card that connects to a centralized database, and only allows a small amount of them to be purchased, say, 1 or two doses a week. All of the horror stories from these drugs I've heard is when either someone took an insane dose, or took pills which were adulterated with something else. Legalization, even in a strictly controlled way, would practically eliminate drug dealers over night, as well as fatalities(not so much from LSD, but MDMA), while the potential for abuse is still there, I think it's a lot less than it is right now, practically everyone I know could have their hands on either of these drugs in an hour if they wanted, so it's not really making them much more available than they already are.

Macavity. · 20-11-2014 03:08AM

I would think very good.

Sheep Lover · 20-11-2014 03:09AM

I prefer the tried and tested (and legal) substances of sniffing a tube of Pritt Stick and huffing floor polish.

ardle1 · 20-11-2014 03:11AM

Out of respect I will come out with the understatement of the year decade!
"That my dear friend would be a bad idea"

Ed Winchester · 20-11-2014 03:12AM

Yeah. Deadly buzz.

Kevin McCloud · 20-11-2014 03:47AM

Its suppose to snow mad.

cheif kaiser · 20-11-2014 03:53AM

Legalizing any drug. effectively approves of it's use and use of them should never be approved!

DoYouEvenLift · 20-11-2014 03:54AM

Darwin would be proud anyway.

Ed Winchester · 20-11-2014 04:36AM

cheif kaiser wrote: »

Legalizing any drug. effectively approves of it's use and use of them should never be approved!

Do you drink?

pedro1234 · 20-11-2014 04:39AM

We should be allowed to do whatever we like with our bodies; they are our possession.

cheif kaiser · 20-11-2014 08:42AM

Ed Winchester wrote: »

Do you drink?

Nope!

Balmed Out · 20-11-2014 08:55AM

pedro1234 wrote: »

We should be allowed to do whatever we like with our bodies; they are our possession.

And then the rest of us should need to spend hard earned taxes on your treatment and care for the rest of your lifetime

cletus van damme · 20-11-2014 08:58AM

I think any bad from such a decision would be greatly out weighted by the benefits.

Apart from people acting the jackass and fools using it as am excuse in court both of which happen now anyway there isn't much that can go wrong.
There is a whole heap of benefits that as a state and society we aren't utilising.

TPD · 20-11-2014 09:00AM

Balmed Out wrote: »

And then the rest of us should need to spend hard earned taxes on your treatment and care for the rest of your lifetime

There should be the healthcare waiver applied, same as with drinkers, skydivers, drivers, smokers, and all lifestyle choices other than living in a bubble. Oh, wait..

unjedilike · 20-11-2014 09:00AM

If you lift the ban on these then there'd be no more line to draw.

DoYouEvenLift · 20-11-2014 09:11AM

Thinking about it, I'd actually legalise DMT and possibly other similar natural hallucinogens that can get rid of people's egos and provide spiritual experiences, would probably help towards a more peaceful and unified society. Mandatory education and control of them to make sure people are staying healthy though.

stimpson · 20-11-2014 09:14AM

Legalise it all and treat addiction as a disease rather than a crime. Look at Portugal and how it's faired over the past decade.

SEPT 23 1989 · 20-11-2014 09:15AM

I think we have enough mental health issues in this country without throwing LSD into the mix

i am ok about other drugs being made legal

Dozen Wicked Words · 20-11-2014 09:16AM

LSD is an odd one to champion alright.

Akrasia · 20-11-2014 09:31AM

Ectasy is an awesome drug that does very little harm if used responsibly and if it is in a pure state.

Everyone should try a psychotropic drug like LSD or magic mushrooms at least once in their lives (unless they have a medical or psychological condition that would make it too dangerous). If they were legalised and there were clear instructions on the packaging, then using these drugs would be much much safer (ie, don't try to fly by jumping out a 4th floor window, take off from the ground first)

The vast majority of people who try LSD only do it a few times. Very few people use it habitually because the body builds up a tolerance very quickly so it's only effective if you use it very infrequently. Those that take LSD regularly, were probably already away with the fairies before they touched any drugs.

I'd love to be able to go to a pharmacy and get a little bit of MDMA that I knew was properly manufactured, pure and in the correct regulated dose, and then go dancing once or twice a year. It would be awesome. it wouldn't ruin my life, it would make it better.

lazybones32 · 20-11-2014 09:39AM

BetterThanThou wrote: »

These are two substances that don't seem to cause any harm, as long as they're not used incorrectly...

And all people are so moderate and self-controlled, that we never do anything excessively or use things for the wrong purpose.

cletus van damme · 20-11-2014 09:44AM

unjedilike wrote: »

If you lift the ban on these then there'd be no more line to draw.

is that a bad thing?
People are using illegal drugs by the boat load. There is a huge demand for this - lets legalise it , make it safer, remove the criminal element and tax it.

lazybones32 wrote: »

And all people are so moderate and self-controlled, that we never do anything excessively or use things for the wrong purpose.

why is there this movement to regulate the behaviour of the whole population because a few people need to be saved from themselves?

It's madness.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 20-11-2014 01:00PM

Although the thread title might seem alarming to some, after marijuana those two are probably the next logical steps.

LSD in particular is non-toxic, non-addictive, no documented deaths from overdose, and no evidence of long-lasting physiological effects.

Steps are already underway in many countries around the world lifting cannabis prohibition and at some point, a generation or two down the line or whatever it takes, the rest will surely follow. The Portugal model is already a roaring success.

I wonder how the current system of treating non-violent drug offenses in the same league as the likes of rapes and murders will be viewed then, with the benefit of hindsight.

Augmerson · 20-11-2014 01:02PM

cheif kaiser wrote: »

Legalizing any drug. effectively approves of it's use and use of them should never be approved!

Any drug?

Have you ever been sick? Had a headache?

DeadHand · 20-11-2014 01:11PM

I think it's a splendid idea!

And my jaw (which is in the next parish) agrees wholeheartedly.

dont bother · 20-11-2014 01:27PM

OP,

you say "most of the people i know could have either substance within an hour"...

yeah, that's not a good thing. and says a lot about the people you associate with.

i used to be mad into all that stuff when i was a dj, but now, i wouldnt go near it.

i'm all for the legalisation of weed, however with these other ones, i'm not so sure.

these type of "party" drugs, only lead to a life of living for the weekend, and that's NOT a good thing. you end up spending ALL your money, just going out, drink, drugs and it'll have you like a hamster on a wheel.... it's VERY hard to get out of that "loop", and when you're part of it, you feel like it's normal because everyone around you, as you said yourself, is either on them too, or can get them etc etc.

not a good thing. yes, they may be physically not too dangerous, but the effect it has on peoples actual lifestyles is where they cause damage.

i know people who used to be "friends" who are in their thirties, and STILL do all this every weekend, purely because it's THAT that has become the habit, and boy do they feed it.... every weekend... they'll go to any oul' sh!te that's on....

whatever they're seeking...

The_Valeyard · 20-11-2014 01:28PM

Meh, think we have enough mind altering products on the market as it is, do not see the need to add more.

DamagedTrax · 20-11-2014 01:31PM

i think in controlled situations (such as therapy use) then yes, it should be legalised.

as far as being legal for recreational purposes, i wouldnt be too sure. i agree that cannabis needs to be legalised but having experiences with both mdma and acid (albeit great experiences), im not sure its something we want freely available as a society

but decriminalised for personal amounts? definitely 100%

Earl Turner · 20-11-2014 01:34PM

pedro1234 wrote: »

We should be allowed to do whatever we like with our bodies; they are our possession.

Should we allow idiots to kill themselves with drink and drugs?

Ed Winchester · 20-11-2014 01:41PM

Earl Turner wrote: »

Should we allow idiots to kill themselves with drink and drugs?

Yes. It's their choice. Millions die every year from drink already.

Davarus Walrus · 20-11-2014 01:41PM

I'd be in favour of having them decriminalised. If someone wants to go around eating the jaw off themselves, or heading into the jacks to get gacked up for an hour then off they go. In many ways I think it would be preferable to legalising weed – you rarely get someone who likes a pill going on about how it’s harmless, the world’s greatest medicine and painkiller, a massive untapped source of revenue, and some sort of fúcking magical potion like the way stoners do about their stash of hash.

What would you think of the legalization of LSD and MDMA?

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