MP Paedophile Killer?

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 07:36PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

It really depends on whether or not they use these scandals as evidence for the lizard men.

Not all people who see through the shambolic fakery that passes for a civilisation believe in lizard men. It is just a glib methodology to dismiss everything that does not accord with a majority-agreed cosy world view. Solzhenistsyn said that when people are arrested usually they ''reply with a lamb-like bleat ''Me? What for?'' '' See even back then there were sheep and there were non-sheep. Subscribing to lizard men ideas was not required.

Buona Fortuna · 18-11-2014 08:33PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think it's just the tip of the iceberg really. There have been accusations in the past that kids were taken from care homes and state institutions in the UK to be sexually abused at paedophile parties by celebrities, senior politicians, members of the judiciary and a whole host of other upstanding pillars of the community. They were very different times and it isn't hard to believe that it would have been covered up.

Thats a fair comment. I watched a thing on 4OD the other day, "It was alright in the 70s" http://www.channel4.com/programmes/it-was-alright-in-the-1970s/4od#3790294

Now there was obviously the Benny Hill prog (26 Million viewers), another was an episode of The Likely Lads, they were in bed together (á la Eric and Ernie) and talking about how tempting the local school girls were. This was when the usual school leaving age was 16. There were several other quite shocking examples.

Now that excuses the Savilles and Glitters of this world not one jot, but I think it does provide some sort of commentary to the "Ah sure youre grand" attitude of people who should have done an awful lot more than they did.

Magico Gonzalez · 18-11-2014 08:45PM

I'd say they are referring to Cyril Smith, where it goes after him is open to speculation.

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 09:04PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I'd say they are referring to Cyril Smith, where it goes after him is open to speculation.

No, seemingly allegation concerns a former Tory mp, still alive.

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 09:46PM

People complaining on Twitter about the guardian ignoring this and similar allegations.

They have a point - the small team at exaronews and right wing papers like the mail and even telegraph have been doing a better job than the paper that likes to think of itself as the doyen of left wing, antiestablishment thinking.

RDM_83 again · 18-11-2014 10:06PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Incidentally silence from the labour front bench on this so far, it was maverick Tory mp Peter bone who today asked the attorney general to ensure the investigation is sufficiently resourced.

porsche959 wrote: »

People complaining on Twitter about the guardian ignoring this and similar allegations.

They have a point - the small team at exaronews and right wing papers like the mail and even telegraph have been doing a better job than the paper that likes to think of itself as the doyen of left wing, antiestablishment thinking.

There's a reason for this, Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewit back in the 70's/80's as part of the NCCL had at least some correspondence with the PIE

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 10:11PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

There's a reason for this, Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewit back in the 70's/80's as part of the NCCL had at least some correspondence with the PIE

Indeed - I'm aware of that, but in my view it doesn't satisfactorily explain the guardian's seeming reluctance to look into establishment paedos - though it might at least partially explain the labour front benches silence.

Donkey Oaty · 18-11-2014 10:13PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

Not all people who see through the shambolic fakery that passes for a civilisation believe in lizard men. It is just a glib methodology to dismiss everything that does not accord with a majority-agreed cosy world view. Solzhenistsyn said that when people are arrested usually they ''reply with a lamb-like bleat ''Me? What for?'' '' See even back then there were sheep and there were non-sheep. Subscribing to lizard men ideas was not required.

Not sure how any of that remotely relates to what I said - maybe a few more quotes relating to life in the Soviet Union will help clarify matters?

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 10:16PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Not sure how any of that remotely relates to what I said - maybe a few more quotes relating to life in the Soviet Union will help clarify matters?

Smiles

fair point guv

R1_Pete · 18-11-2014 10:23PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Like Nambla.

Never heard of that, googled it. Sorry I did. Sick c***s

RDM_83 again · 18-11-2014 10:28PM

porsche959 wrote: »

Indeed - I'm aware of that, but in my view it doesn't satisfactorily explain the guardian's seeming reluctance to look into establishment paedos - though it might at least partially explain the labour front benches silence.

Hmmm I don't really know, the Guardian would be pretty pro those two figures though.
At a guess its because Pedophile "hysteria" is something the Red-tops play too, so the Guardian will try and dissociate itself from that even when the cases are serious and legitimate (which we don't know yet about this case but we do know that they weren't big on putting many column inches onto the sex scandals in the northern towns until it became unavoidable).
To put it bluntly stuff like this is more of a working class concern and the Guardian isn't that sort of Left-wing, poor white kids aren't of as much interest

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 11:10PM

The generally pro-establishment telegraph are taking this story seriously, they have a front page story tomorrow re one of the child murders allegedly linked to Westminster child abusers.

enfant terrible · 19-11-2014 02:15AM

Some interesting info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Dickens#Paedophile_ring_investigation

Between 1981 and 1985, Dickens campaigned against a suspected paedophile ring he claimed to have uncovered that was connected to trading child pornography.[2] In 1981, Dickens named the former British High Commissioner to Canada, Sir Peter Hayman, as a paedophile in the House of Commons, using parliamentary privilege so he could not get sued for slander. Dickens asked why he had not been jailed after the discovery on a bus of violent pornography.

In 1983, Dickens claimed there was a paedophile network involving "big, big names – people in positions of power, influence and responsibility" and threatened to name them in the Commons.[3] The next year, he campaigned for the banning of Hayman's Paedophile Information Exchange organisation. Dickens had a thirty-minute meeting with the Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, after giving him a dossier containing the child abuse allegations. Although Dickens said he was "encouraged" by the meeting, he later expressed concern that PIE had not been banned.[2]

On 29 November 1985, Dickens said in a speech to the Commons that paedophiles were "evil and dangerous" and that child pornography generated "vast sums". He further claimed that: "The noose around my neck grew tighter after I named a former high-flying British diplomat on the Floor of the House. Honourable Members will understand that where big money is involved and as important names came into my possession so the threats began. First, I received threatening telephone calls followed by two burglaries at my London home. Then, more seriously, my name appeared on a multi-killer's hit list".[2] Dickens' son later said that about the time when the dossier was given to the Home Secretary, the MP's London flat and constituency home were both broken into but nothing was taken, presumably in a search for documents.[4][5]

The Labour MP Tom Watson asked the Home Office in February 2013 for Dickens' dossier.[2] A Home Office review in 2013 concluded that any information requiring investigation was referred to the police but revealed that Mr Dickens' dossier was "not retained".[3][6] After the issue had been raised again by Labour MP Simon Danczuk in July 2014, former Director of Public Prosecutions, Lord Macdonald, said the circumstances in which the dossier had gone missing was alarming and recommended an inquiry into the fate of the dossier.[5] Prime Minister David Cameron asked the Home Office Permanent Secretary to investigate what had happened to the missing dossier. Danczuk responded that another internal inquiry was merely trying to limit damage, and that a public inquiry was necessary to retain public confidence.[7] The missing dossier has been linked with ongoing investigations into the Elm Guest House child abuse scandal.[8][9]

ceadaoin. · 19-11-2014 03:28AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Some interesting info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Dickens#Paedophile_ring_investigation

Between 1981 and 1985, Dickens campaigned against a suspected paedophile ring he claimed to have uncovered that was connected to trading child pornography.[2] In 1981, Dickens named the former British High Commissioner to Canada, Sir Peter Hayman, as a paedophile in the House of Commons, using parliamentary privilege so he could not get sued for slander. Dickens asked why he had not been jailed after the discovery on a bus of violent pornography.

In 1983, Dickens claimed there was a paedophile network involving "big, big names – people in positions of power, influence and responsibility" and threatened to name them in the Commons.[3] The next year, he campaigned for the banning of Hayman's Paedophile Information Exchange organisation. Dickens had a thirty-minute meeting with the Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, after giving him a dossier containing the child abuse allegations. Although Dickens said he was "encouraged" by the meeting, he later expressed concern that PIE had not been banned.[2]

On 29 November 1985, Dickens said in a speech to the Commons that paedophiles were "evil and dangerous" and that child pornography generated "vast sums". He further claimed that: "The noose around my neck grew tighter after I named a former high-flying British diplomat on the Floor of the House. Honourable Members will understand that where big money is involved and as important names came into my possession so the threats began. First, I received threatening telephone calls followed by two burglaries at my London home. Then, more seriously, my name appeared on a multi-killer's hit list".[2] Dickens' son later said that about the time when the dossier was given to the Home Secretary, the MP's London flat and constituency home were both broken into but nothing was taken, presumably in a search for documents.[4][5]

The Labour MP Tom Watson asked the Home Office in February 2013 for Dickens' dossier.[2] A Home Office review in 2013 concluded that any information requiring investigation was referred to the police but revealed that Mr Dickens' dossier was "not retained".[3][6] After the issue had been raised again by Labour MP Simon Danczuk in July 2014, former Director of Public Prosecutions, Lord Macdonald, said the circumstances in which the dossier had gone missing was alarming and recommended an inquiry into the fate of the dossier.[5] Prime Minister David Cameron asked the Home Office Permanent Secretary to investigate what had happened to the missing dossier. Danczuk responded that another internal inquiry was merely trying to limit damage, and that a public inquiry was necessary to retain public confidence.[7] The missing dossier has been linked with ongoing investigations into the Elm Guest House child abuse scandal.[8][9]

A bit strange alright how so many files relating to institutional child abuse go missing or are 'destroyed'. If that isn't enough evidence that this stuff is being covered up and people are being protected then I don't know what is

NIMAN · 19-11-2014 03:37AM

The more I read about this the more I think

1) This is shocking, how can people let this be hidden
or
2) This is an urban myth that has gathered legs over the years

Son Of A Vidic · 19-11-2014 06:20AM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

It really depends on whether or not they use these scandals as evidence for the lizard men.

One would have needed to have lived a very sheltered life and have missed some shocking events & revelations in recent years. To come out with that kind of pointless nonsense.

indigo twist · 19-11-2014 07:09AM

Misleading thread title. I thought it was going to be about some vigilante MP who killed paedophiles!

Autonomous Cowherd · 19-11-2014 07:24AM

indigo twist wrote: »

Misleading thread title. I thought it was going to be about some vigilante MP who killed paedophiles!

Sorry. I was at a loss for words.

But if you read it, the gist is true. An MP who was a Paedophile AND a Killer and then a question mark of disbelief, largely because it appears this one and several others of the ilk have had their evil-doings covered up by British Parliament. The disappearance of dossiers and so on. All the stuff of a conspiracy.

And to me it looks like only the Daily Telegraph are going with it on front page. Ah well....child murdering rapist members of Parliament must not be newsworthy. Tell us about Kim Kardashian's a8se though, why dontcha....

I appreciate the input in this thread. The references and so on. Gracias.

Gyalist · 19-11-2014 08:48AM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I appreciate the input in this thread. The references and so on. Gracias.

While you're at it you should do a search on "Kincora Boys Home" in Belfast. Private Eye ran a long campaign for an official inquiry. Three people received fairly minor sentences but there was unease that there were other powerful people who were protected by the British establishment.

Peist2007 · 19-11-2014 02:35PM

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

It really depends on whether or not they use these scandals as evidence for the lizard men.

Contrarian views dont necessarily mean lizard men. But cheers for showing the problem

Peist2007 · 19-11-2014 02:38PM

porsche959 wrote: »

People complaining on Twitter about the guardian ignoring this and similar allegations.

They have a point - the small team at exaronews and right wing papers like the mail and even telegraph have been doing a better job than the paper that likes to think of itself as the doyen of left wing, antiestablishment thinking.

The Guardian is done. Snowden was their last hurrah

RDM_83 again · 19-11-2014 02:38PM

In fairness to Guardian they are covering this today

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/father-police-covered-up-sons-murder-westminster-paedophile-ring

Autonomous Cowherd · 19-11-2014 02:49PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

In fairness to Guardian they are covering this today

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/19/father-police-covered-up-sons-murder-westminster-paedophile-ring

Yes that is another horrific story. Imagine the consternation of the poor father ~ a magistrate in the 'service' of the state, no less ~ who recorded an interview with a person who said they knew what had happened to the little child (ie Elm House) and then took the tape to the police, only for it to be entirely ignored. This was the Dad of an eight year old boy! It beggars belief.

WoollyRedHat · 19-11-2014 03:54PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Some interesting info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoffrey_Dickens#Paedophile_ring_investigation

Between 1981 and 1985, Dickens campaigned against a suspected paedophile ring he claimed to have uncovered that was connected to trading child pornography.[2] In 1981, Dickens named the former British High Commissioner to Canada, Sir Peter Hayman, as a paedophile in the House of Commons, using parliamentary privilege so he could not get sued for slander. Dickens asked why he had not been jailed after the discovery on a bus of violent pornography.

In 1983, Dickens claimed there was a paedophile network involving "big, big names – people in positions of power, influence and responsibility" and threatened to name them in the Commons.[3] The next year, he campaigned for the banning of Hayman's Paedophile Information Exchange organisation. Dickens had a thirty-minute meeting with the Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, after giving him a dossier containing the child abuse allegations. Although Dickens said he was "encouraged" by the meeting, he later expressed concern that PIE had not been banned.[2]

On 29 November 1985, Dickens said in a speech to the Commons that paedophiles were "evil and dangerous" and that child pornography generated "vast sums". He further claimed that: "The noose around my neck grew tighter after I named a former high-flying British diplomat on the Floor of the House. Honourable Members will understand that where big money is involved and as important names came into my possession so the threats began. First, I received threatening telephone calls followed by two burglaries at my London home. Then, more seriously, my name appeared on a multi-killer's hit list".[2] Dickens' son later said that about the time when the dossier was given to the Home Secretary, the MP's London flat and constituency home were both broken into but nothing was taken, presumably in a search for documents.[4][5]

The Labour MP Tom Watson asked the Home Office in February 2013 for Dickens' dossier.[2] A Home Office review in 2013 concluded that any information requiring investigation was referred to the police but revealed that Mr Dickens' dossier was "not retained".[3][6] After the issue had been raised again by Labour MP Simon Danczuk in July 2014, former Director of Public Prosecutions, Lord Macdonald, said the circumstances in which the dossier had gone missing was alarming and recommended an inquiry into the fate of the dossier.[5] Prime Minister David Cameron asked the Home Office Permanent Secretary to investigate what had happened to the missing dossier. Danczuk responded that another internal inquiry was merely trying to limit damage, and that a public inquiry was necessary to retain public confidence.[7] The missing dossier has been linked with ongoing investigations into the Elm Guest House child abuse scandal.[8][9]

Some more interesting stuff in relation to this here-
http://thecolemanexperience.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/the-real-geoffrey-dickens-mp-2/

Yurt2 · 19-11-2014 05:57PM

Another rumour (and I stress this is internet rumour) attached to this grim story is that the murder of Jill Dando was connected to the abuse ring. Apparently she was close to discovering the extent of the depravity and the big names involved and was snuffed out before she could reveal anything.

Buona Fortuna · 19-11-2014 06:31PM

Yurt! wrote: »

Another rumour (and I stress this is internet rumour) attached to this grim story is that the murder of Jill Dando was connected to the abuse ring. Apparently she was close to discovering the extent of the depravity and the big names involved and was snuffed out before she could reveal anything.

Wow - I'd be blown away if that were anything like true.

Is there any serious evidence to support it? Presumably someone somewhere would know what she was working on.

ceadaoin. · 19-11-2014 06:43PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Wow - I'd be blown away if that were anything like true.

Is there any serious evidence to support it? Presumably someone somewhere would know what she was working on.

It is a former colleague of hers who has come forward with this information recently. It was reported in a few main stream media sites. I don't know about hard evidence. Even if there were records detailing her work, they would probably somehow go missing or be destroyed like they often seem to do in relation to this stuff.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/389922/Tragic-Jill-Dando-probed-BBC-PAEDO-ring

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/490169/Dando-alarm-paedophile-ring-BBC

Yurt2 · 19-11-2014 06:45PM

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

Wow - I'd be blown away if that were anything like true.

Is there any serious evidence to support it? Presumably someone somewhere would know what she was working on.

The link according to the interwebz was a close friend of her's (major entertainment figure) who is rumoured to be caught up in the Elm guest house scandal and she got wind of it from there.

Could well be the stuff of internet conspiracy land and I guess people should be cautious. The problem being the whole thing was suppressed for so long which leads to wild theories taking root.

The other theory is Serbian radicals/secret service took her out due to an tv appeal she made.

Certainly wasn't the poor b*stard that the Met tried to pin it on.

Autonomous Cowherd · 19-11-2014 06:55PM

Yurt! wrote: »

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Could well be the stuff of internet conspiracy land and I guess people should be cautious. The problem being the whole thing was suppressed for so long which leads to wild theories taking root.

The thing I am finding nowadays is that the ''wild theories'' often seem to be closer to the truth than what we are told. I mean transpose the situation to Ireland and imagine if we were informed today that TDs were engaged in child rape and child murder in the 1980s..... words fail me.

Yurt2 · 19-11-2014 07:00PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

The thing I am finding nowadays is that the ''wild theories'' often seem to be closer to the truth than what we are told. I mean transpose the situation to Ireland and imagine if we were informed today that TDs were engaged in child rape and child murder in the 1980s..... words fail me.

You're correct, when I first read of these stories they seemed so grotesque to the point of being fantastical and unbelievable. They seem to be eeking out into the public domain incrementally despite lots of people having full knowledge of the allegations.

One can't help but think its being managed as a slow burning scandal, because if it all came out at once it would bring the whole rotten edifice down in a heap. Westminster, Royal family, BBC, police force.

MP Paedophile Killer?

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