Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014 - Mod Warning in OP, 10/12

rarnes1 wrote: »

Go and beat Palace.

Two other rivals for top 4 play each other this weekend so anything other than 3 points isn't good enough.

Players and Management need to cop the fcuk on and start winning games

Yup. Should be straightforward.

We don't have the 11th best team in the league. The failures this season aren't really down to who we bought - it's down to the failures of the management and players on match days.

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Ah jaysus I don't think Rafa ever had the kitty that Rodgers has had this season, or generally the support that both Kenny and Rodgers have been given to buy players.

Exactly, if Rafa had that backing we would have won the league in 2009.

joe123 wrote: »

Im going to list three players.

Torres, Mascherano, Suarez.

From that list, only Torres would have been a coup for us.

Mascherano was off the back of a nightmare spell at West Ham and Suarez was still in the second tier of strikers (if I remember correctly, it was between us and Spurs to sign him).

It's not as black and white as saying we sign world class players or those with potential. There are various levels of potential, nobody would have a problem with signing players in the level of Macherano, Torres, Suarez etc but when we are going after the likes of Alberto, Aspas, etc it's a bad policy.

We also should have been able to compete with any club financially for one major player this summer after Suarez was sold.

ASOT wrote: »

They wernt proven world class when we signed them.

Haha I knew this type of post would come along.

As Turtyturd said, there are varying levels of "what is world class"

Torres was leading the line for his national team and was off the back off a great tournament for Spain.

He was a huge talent and very like when City signed Aguero.

Mascherano along was Tevez was considered one of the best players to be coming out of South America. Remember the fuss that was kicked up when West Ham signed them two? Yeah I doubt youd be seeing that if West Ham signed Borini or Aspas when we did.

Suarez, another player playing regularly for his national side and was being touted as the player to watch in the 2010 world cup.

Any football fan with even the smallest bit of knowledge on the game knew how good these signings could be for us.

There is a world of difference in those type of signings and the types we are bringing in now.

Turtyturd wrote: »

It's not as black and white as saying we sign world class players or those with potential. There are various levels of potential, nobody would have a problem with signing players in the level of Macherano, Torres, Suarez etc but when we are going after the likes of Alberto, Aspas, etc it's a bad policy.

We also should have been able to compete with any club financially for one major player this summer after Suarez was sold.

Even when we signed the likes of mach, Torres and Suarez we were still signing the likes of aspas, ngog for example. Those three are the pick of the bunch, Given time our spend in the summer won't look so bad, I expect lallana moreno and can to be a success.<crosses fingers>

joe123 wrote: »

Haha I knew this type of post would come along.

As Turtyturd said, there are varying levels of "what is world class"

Torres was leading the line for his national team and was off the back off a great tournament for Spain.

He was a huge talent and very like when City signed Aguero.

Mascherano along was Tevez was considered one of the best players to be coming out of South America. Remember the fuss that was kicked up when West Ham signed them two? Yeah I doubt youd be seeing that if West Ham signed Borini or Aspas when we did.

Suarez, another player playing regularly for his national side and was being touted as the player to watch in the 2010 world cup.

Any football fan with even the smallest bit of knowledge on the game knew how good these signings could be for us.

There is a world of difference in those type of signings and the types we are bringing in now.

Im not disputing that bolded part atall, all I said was they wernt proven world class players which is a correct statement. They were good players yes but not proven world class its quite simple.

The main fuss about Tevez and March being signed by West Ham was because of there third party ownership not because they were the best players to be coming out of South America.

joe123 wrote: »

Haha I knew this type of post would come along.

As Turtyturd said, there are varying levels of "what is world class"

Torres was leading the line for his national team and was off the back off a great tournament for Spain.

He was a huge talent and very like when City signed Aguero.

Mascherano along was Tevez was considered one of the best players to be coming out of South America. Remember the fuss that was kicked up when West Ham signed them two? Yeah I doubt youd be seeing that if West Ham signed Borini or Aspas when we did.

Suarez, another player playing regularly for his national side and was being touted as the player to watch in the 2010 world cup.

Any football fan with even the smallest bit of knowledge on the game knew how good these signings could be for us.

There is a world of difference in those type of signings and the types we are bringing in now.

The question was how many proven world class players have we signed.
Mascherano and Suarez werent proven world class when we signed them.
Torres, yes maybe, we caught him at the right time and as you say he was just off the back of a good world cup in 06.

Super-Rush wrote: »

About these failures so far this season.

So we were 1 point better off against those teams with Suarez and Sturridge playing last season. For me i think we are still on track for 4th place this season.

While I admire your optimism I wouldn't say we're on track for top 4 going by what looks like 2 poor runs.

I'd also add that of that list we beat Everton at home last season.

Super-Rush wrote: »

So we were 1 point better off against those teams with Suarez and Sturridge playing last season. For me i think we are still on track for 4th place this season.

We have 14 points from 11 games.
We are 4 points off 4th but 5 off relegation.
We have scored 14 and conceded 15 goals.
Our now main striker has 0 EPL Goals 1 overall.
Our form is poor.
We are 11th in the league.

I like a positive spin but no matter what way you look at it we haven't been good enough. Last season means nothing anymore. We are still well in the race for top four but we need to win games.

ush wrote: »

Can people stop using the phrase "world class".

"Global Quality"

They may not be 'World Class', or of a 'Global Quality'. But I think we can all agree that they are beautiful human beings.

tok9 wrote: »

While I admire your optimism I wouldn't say we're on track for top 4 going by what looks like 2 poor runs.

I'd also add that of that list we beat Everton at home last season.

We also drew with them

We lost to City and beat them, drew with Villa and beat them, won and lost to Hull, drew and beat Newcastle, two losses to Chelsea, two wins against Spurs, won and lost to Southampton, won and drew against West Brom.

It doesn't have to be all doom and gloom though. Not one of us thought we would go on such a run in the second half of last season. We are only 2 points of United, 3 off Arsenal and level with Everton who are our main opponents for 4th. We're also only 4 points behind West Ham who are in 4th place and with the greatest respect to the hammers, they won't be there come May, and even with the great job that Koeman is doing with Southampton, they won't be in the top four at the end of the season either.

It's still all to play for for me. The internationals are over for a while so we can keep the squad together for sustained periods of time. Sure Sturridge is injured again but **** like that happens. It happened with Owen, Torres, Gerrard. I have faith in the manager to turn it around, he done it last season, he'll do it again.