Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

lukesmom · 19-11-2014 10:54AM

Shelby Greasy Slot wrote: »

So it's ok to work and not have enough to pay the bills at the end of the month oor be on welfare and balance a few days work against loosing your money while others claim social welfare and work at the same time.

No it's not okay. But I'm not going to make that call ever.

uck51js9zml2yt · 19-11-2014 11:03AM

Why wouldn't you make that call?

I'm out of work at the moment. Last week I had to balance whether I could afford to take 3 or 4 days work against loosing some or all of my payment.
I chose 4 days at a loss to my family and you're telling me it's ok to get a wage and claim social welfare and in many cases have the boyfriend living with someone in receipt of single mothers payments and rent allowance.

For the record I don't get rent allowance though if we we're to move out of my parents house we would get it.,

All these people are robbing from the state and diverting money away from other areas which could have benefitted from the funds.
I assume you also complain about the lack of government spending in other areas.

CruelCoin · 19-11-2014 11:08AM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

So would you do it? Have you ever done it? Would you be hesitant to do it? Interested in the AH consensus here.

Absolutely i would.

Far as i'm concerned, they are taking money right from my back pocket in the form of extra taxes needed to cover their fraud.

CruelCoin · 19-11-2014 11:09AM

Shelby Greasy Slot wrote: »

So it's ok to work and not have enough to pay the bills at the end of the month oor be on welfare and balance a few days work against loosing your money while others claim social welfare and work at the same time.

It's never ok to break the law just because others are. Why would you think it is?

19-11-2014 11:13AM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I have never seen so many unemployed people dying to snitch on each other. Anybody posting after 5 PM I will assume is gainfully employed. Those posting before 5 PM on this thread are either unemployed or are fraudulently wasting their employers time and resources to be here *
I wish you lose your jobs, your children have to be told the truth about Santa and that 2015 brings untold misery and unforeseen medical expenses down upon your houses. Then this time next year, those of you that are still drawing breath can come back with a grown-up view of the topic.

* My apologies to the self-employed - you are obviously very successful to have so much time to spend on such a trivial topic.

You have heard of shift work? something I have done all my life

DirtyLeeds14 · 19-11-2014 11:23AM

jimgoose wrote: »

What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.

Exactly! Mind your own business says more about the person reporting a Dole cheat than the cheat in question. Let the authorities to there jobs and catch these people.

And if anybody thinks there paying more tax because a few are skimming a extra bit of the social welfare they really are deluded.

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 11:27AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The epitome of a dole cheat.

If you were unemployed, after six months of feck-arsing around the house watching daytime TV and without a bob to your name after everything is paid and people fed, would you not jump at the chance to do a couple of days work so you could live like a grown man, albeit however temporarily? If you'd decline politely, citing that this would be <harrumph> ethically and legally wrong, then you're a hawrder wee mawn than I am.

candy-gal1 · 19-11-2014 11:29AM

Tbh, I wouldnt do it on someone whether I knew them or not, moreso for the reason that whats in it for me if I grass them out?!

If the government or whoever were offering a nice substantial some of money or a full time job

to anyone to rats out a dole cheat etc etc then and only then I would give it some serious consideration

Other than that, your just fecking up someones means which may be the only thing keeping them afloat in their life - we dont know all of anyones circumstances really, and your not getting anything either for snitching so whats the point!

Live and let live and all that, unless your going to come out better off moneywise or jobwise the other side

:)

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2014 11:30AM

jimgoose wrote: »

If you were unemployed, after six months of feck-arsing around the house watching daytime TV and without a bob to your name after everything is paid and people fed, would you not jump at the chance to do a couple of days work so you could live like a grown man, albeit however temporarily? If you'd decline politely, citing that this would be <harrumph> ethically and legally wrong, then you're a hawrder wee mawn than I am.

I wouldn't be doing that!

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 11:32AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I wouldn't be doing that!

Fair moxy to you. But you wouldn't be doing a whole hell of a lot else either on that income, and there's only so much Proust you can manage in one concentrated sitting. :pac:

miezekatze · 19-11-2014 11:42AM

I think some people are going a bit over the top here. Do you do everything by the book? If you've ever downloaded movies/music/etc. illegally then you've also got something 'for free' that you shouldn't have and that other people are paying for, for example. In general, I think people should mind their own business.

Unless someone is really taking the piss, I wouldn't consider reporting them. You don't get much money on the dole as far as I know, and I can kind of understand why someone would want to top it up a bit. Having said that, some of the cases described in this thread would really annoy me too, and if I came across someone really misusing the system and bragging about it I would consider reporting them too (unless they were friends/family, in that case I would probably have a word with them instead).

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2014 11:43AM

jimgoose wrote: »

Fair moxy to you. But you wouldn't be doing a whole hell of a lot else either on that income, and there's only so much Proust you can manage in one concentrated sitting. :pac:

No, I mean i would be out and about actively looking for work instead of watching Jeremy Kyle or Oprah or whatever else passes for entertainment during the day.

whatdoicare · 19-11-2014 11:46AM

I think if we spent half as much energy looking into what our politicians are wasting our money on for themselves and calling them on it, we'd all be a whole lot better off!

Free bars, helicopters, holidays, chauffeurs, hand made chocolates, they shut up shop for Christmas and the Summer, the list of extravagances are endless, they don't even try to hide that theyre taking the piss and we're all here scrabbling for scraps and ratting on each other for a few euros.

Enda and Burton must be just laughing at us all day every day!

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 11:46AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No, I mean i would be out and about actively looking for work instead of watching Jeremy Kyle or Oprah or whatever else passes for entertainment during the day.

All day, every day, looking for work, as long as it takes, never deterred, never sickened to your core by the absence of said work. I can only stand back and bask in the glow of your moral rectitude. Good show, sir!

Cee-Jay-Cee · 19-11-2014 11:48AM

jimgoose wrote: »

What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.

Why should I pay for someone else to be able to go and have a few pints on a Saturday night when I havent a penny left over at the end of the week after I pay my mortgage, childcare, bills, petrol, taxes etc etc etc. yes of course is report them!!

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 11:49AM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Why should I pay for someone else to be able to go and have a few pints on a Saturday night when I havent a penny left over at the end of the week after I pay my mortgage, childcare, bills, petrol, taxes etc etc etc. yes of course is report them!!

Horse inta it, biy. Arbeit Macht Frei. :cool:

NewYork1979 · 19-11-2014 11:52AM

It never really crossed my mind until this crossed my path:

Husband is unemployed, she works part-time on a low enough wage. Claiming family income support. House pimped out to within an inch of its life. Two BMW jeeps, brand new. Boasting about her first class trips to New York before Christmas. None of this is hearsay, I heard it all from the woman in question, as have loads of my colleagues.

Reported them and I know for a fact I wasn't the only one, I know social welfare are trying their hardest to catch them. I'll let ye guess the husband's line of work.

The way she carried on was a complete slap in the face to anyone listening to her, she's either dim or she doesn't care, either way I had no hesitation in reporting her and I hope social welfare get them.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2014 11:53AM

jimgoose wrote: »

All day, every day, looking for work, as long as it takes, never deterred, never sickened to your core by the absence of said work. I can only stand back and bask in the glow of your moral rectitude. Good show, sir!

Yes because i am not the type to give in and sit on the sofa, FWIW i used to work construction and when that went tits up i was unemployed. I went on a course, retrained myself, worked for free during the summer doing an internship, left college with my qualifications, got a job, worked that 1 year contract, went to another job and have been here a few years now. But yeah you're right, i should have just given in after 2 years on the dole and sat on the sofa collecting my entitlements :rolleyes:

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 11:55AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yes because i am not the type to give in and sit on the sofa, FWIW i used to work construction and when that went tits up i was unemployed. I went on a course, retrained myself, worked for free during the summer doing an internship, left college with my qualifications, got a job, worked that 1 year contract, went to another job and have been here a few years now. But yeah you're right, i should have just given in after 2 years on the dole and sat on the sofa collecting my entitlements :rolleyes:

I was never out of work in my life, apart from three weeks in 1999. Maybe that's why I have a certain sympathy for those who are.

Timberrrrrrrr · 19-11-2014 11:58AM

jimgoose wrote: »

I was never out of work in my life, apart from three weeks in 1999. Maybe that's why I have a certain sympathy for those who are.

Well i spent 2 years unemployed so yes i know how tough it is but that does not give anyone the right to defraud the state.

FixitFelix · 19-11-2014 11:58AM

There's always rats Nidge!!

jimgoose · 19-11-2014 12:00PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Well i spent 2 years unemployed so yes i know how tough it is but that does not give anyone the right to defraud the state.

Couldn't agree more, chief. I'm just saying I wouldn't grass up the poor bastard, largely out of empathy.

ScumLord · 19-11-2014 12:06PM

NewYork1979 wrote: »

Husband is unemployed.....

....I'll let ye guess the husband's line of work.

Unemployment?

rob316 · 19-11-2014 12:08PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Unemployment?

Well unemployed with 2 BMW jeeps I'm going to hazard a guess he's a drug dealer.

dark crystal · 19-11-2014 12:36PM

No, I have no interest in making sneaky phone calls behind people's backs when, like most everybody else, they're just trying to make ends meet however they can.

I have my own life to be getting on with and my own finances to be worrying about without poking my nose into anyone else's business. Grassing up someone for living with the father of their child, or earning a few extra quid on top of their paltry dole payment isn't going to affect me positively in any way, so why negatively affect someone else's life just for the sake of it?

NewYork1979 · 19-11-2014 12:47PM

dark crystal wrote: »

No, I have no interest in making sneaky phone calls behind people's backs when, like most everybody else, they're just trying to make ends meet however they can.

I have my own life to be getting on with and my own finances to be worrying about without poking my nose into anyone else's business. Grassing up someone for living with the father of their child, or earning a few extra quid on top of their paltry dole payment isn't going to affect me positively in any way, so why negatively affect someone else's life just for the sake of it?

I guess it depends on the extent of the type of cheating that's going on. I can't say I'd report anyone for living with the father of their child, not sure I'd give it the time and effort. Saying that though the more it goes on the more it will eventually affect you in the line of increased taxes, cuts in tax credits etc to fund the social welfare fund.

The other fella · 19-11-2014 12:48PM

Do people think if everyone who claims illegitimate benefits stopped doing so that the government would lower taxes or something?

"We recently had a drop in SW claims so we will now drop everyones taxes and take less money from workers pay packets"... Thats just not going to happen.

Would government officials pay become increased if the country got more money by stamping out benefit fraud? Yes.

Would the normal hardworking person get any pay increase? Most certainly not.

Iwasfrozen · 19-11-2014 12:49PM

dark crystal wrote: »

No, I have no interest in making sneaky phone calls behind people's backs when, like most everybody else, they're just trying to make ends meet however they can.

I have my own life to be getting on with and my own finances to be worrying about without poking my nose into anyone else's business. Grassing up someone for living with the father of their child, or earning a few extra quid on top of their paltry dole payment isn't going to affect me positively in any way, so why negatively affect someone else's life just for the sake of it?

Do you pay taxes? If so they're stealing from you.

Like a lot of things it's the principle.

dark crystal · 19-11-2014 12:56PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Do you pay taxes? If so they're stealing from you.

Like a lot of things it's the principle.

I do and they're not going to magically decrease just because I lift the phone and report them.

Seems to me, these people would be pumping that money back into the economy in one way or another anyway. It comes in and goes straight back out to the government in one form or another again - I doubt any of these people are stashing their money in secret bank accounts in the Cayman Islands!

runawaybishop · 19-11-2014 01:06PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I do and they're not going to magically decrease just because I lift the phone and report them.

Seems to me, these people would be pumping that money back into the economy in one way or another anyway. It comes in and goes straight back out to the government in one form or another again - I doubt any of these people are stashing their money in secret bank accounts in the Cayman Islands!

Do you think your taxes will magically increase if the number rises though?

Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

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