Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?

Fuhrer · 19-11-2014 12:19PM

I remember hearing a story of some farmer putting poison out to kill dogs that people were walking on his land.

Someone killing your dog, if you went to the law the most they would get would be a fine.

Id definitely take the law into my own hands to enact some appropriate retribution.

rob316 · 19-11-2014 12:21PM

Generally I would always get the law involved in a crime against me or my loved ones but when it comes to sexual abuse or rape against my child, wife or other family member I know for 100% I wouldn't be able to control myself.

I believe it to be the worst crime of all and they should get equally as bad a punishment. You get the law involved he will get a slap on the wrist jail sentence, do some bull**** program to control his urges and at the end of the day he is going to do it all again and ruin some other child's life. These type of people are sick, the lowest of the low, they cant help themselves.

Bigger or smaller than me I would destroy someone that did something like this.

mikemac1 · 19-11-2014 12:33PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

I remember hearing a story of some farmer putting poison out to kill dogs that people were walking on his land.

Someone killing your dog, if you went to the law the most they would get would be a fine.

Id definitely take the law into my own hands to enact some appropriate retribution.

Turn it around. Maybe the farmer was sick of loose dogs chasing his stock and causing abortions. And even if they were on a lead and under control that's going to worry the stock.

Do you let people & dogs wander around your property too?

Fuhrer · 19-11-2014 12:38PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Turn it around. Maybe the farmer was sick of loose dogs chasing his stock and causing abortions. And even if they were on a lead and under control that's going to worry the stock.

Do you let people & dogs wander around your property too?

He grew cabbages

mikemac1 · 19-11-2014 12:40PM

Still his land. If people are trespassing they shouldn't be there

People who shoot on land get permission to do it. I doubt all these walkers looked for permission. Maybe I'm wrong and they all did

Fuhrer · 19-11-2014 12:41PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

Still his land. If people are trespassing they shouldn't be there

And hes taking the law into his own hands, cant complain when someone does it to him for revenge.

Caliden · 19-11-2014 12:42PM

We need more people like : 'Luggs' Branigan - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Christopher_Branigan

Gardai like him used to be common place in rural villages where everyone knew everyone and the necessary justice would be handed out by the local Garda sergeant.
Personally, I think it's the reason why crime in rural areas has increased as Gardai can no longer give a robbin' scrote a slap around the head for fear of being prosecuted and losing their job.

I'm all for street justice so long as warranted (for lack of a better word in this case).

Fuhrer wrote: »

And hes taking the law into his own hands, cant complain when someone does it to him for revenge.

Well if you want to get technical, they're trespassing. You can't just start walking through other people's fields. If anything happened he could be liable for injuries.

DeadHand · 19-11-2014 12:43PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

I remember hearing a story of some farmer putting poison out to kill dogs that people were walking on his land.

You have no business bringing dogs onto someone else's land without their expressed permission.

If said dogs were harassing his livestock he was perfectly justified in taking measures to destroy them.

mikemac1 · 19-11-2014 12:44PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

And hes taking the law into his own hands, cant complain when someone does it to him for revenge.

I want to take a stroll around your land

Even if it's a tiny lawn I don't mind. Also I'm not going to ask your permission, just give me your address :P

Fuhrer · 19-11-2014 12:45PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

I want to take a stroll around your land

Even if it's a tiny lawn I don't mind. Also I'm not going to ask your permission, just give me your address :P

Sure, just let me put out some claymore mines to murder you with first, as you say thats a perfectly justifiable action

caustic 1 · 19-11-2014 12:47PM

If anyone threatened my kids, yes, I would do harm.

mikemac1 · 19-11-2014 12:48PM

It's illegal to poison some animals such as birds of prey.

Nothing illegal about laying out poison if it's for vermin, rabbits, foxes and some other exceptions. Cabbage you say, so dogs are going into a cabbage field and eating poison meant for rabbits

So there'd be no fine anyway

Viper_JB · 19-11-2014 12:48PM

cloud493 wrote: »

Well he threw the people off the building. How was he to know that would cause their death?

It was gravity that killed them, not batman

, damn gravity!

OldNotWIse · 19-11-2014 12:49PM

1. I don't believe the story
2. No

Fuhrer · 19-11-2014 12:51PM

OldNotWIse wrote: »

1. I don't believe the story
2. No

now that I think about it, im pretty sure I heard it in a movie actually. Charlie Wilsons war

Caliden · 19-11-2014 12:53PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Sure, just let me put out some claymore mines to murder you with first, as you say thats a perfectly justifiable action

Well realistically if you put out small traps intended for rabbits, etc. and I got injured who would the fault lie with?

Gannicus · 19-11-2014 12:54PM

Yes definitely, If anyone sexually assaulted or murdered a member of my family then they would not live to see the next sunrise for petty crimes I don't think I would be as extreme..

One example where it worked in my estate is. About 7 or 8 years ago a young fella (he was 16 or 17 at the time) that lived near my estate caught a right hiding. He threw a beer bottle at an elderly lady (about 70) one night as she wouldn't go in the off licence and get him and his 3 mates more beers. He got her in the back and put her to the ground glass bottle broke around her. We grabbed them and called the gardai. He got a Junior Liasion officer as he was tried as a minor.... nothing else even though he was a known nuisance in the area.

I heard a couple weeks later he was grabbed by someone who knew the elderly woman and he was taken in a van and left down a local park in his undies with 7 shades of ****e knocked out of him and was told him and his mates they best behave. His parents called the garda then for what happened but sure nobody knew who did it nor do most of us care. Hell the gardai came looking for a statement off me as we were the ones who held him for the gards in case we were involved.

And since that day he and his buddies has bot been an ounce of trouble in the area.

OldNotWIse · 19-11-2014 12:55PM

I'm reminded of the time a paediatrician was beaten up by an angry (and might I add, stupid) mob....

DeadHand · 19-11-2014 12:56PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Sure, just let me put out some claymore mines to murder you with first, as you say thats a perfectly justifiable action

Bit of a gulf between putting out poison for animals and mines for people.

If he put the poison out secretly, without warning and without seeking help from the Gardai then it was a miserable thing to do.

If he asked the people walking the dogs without permission to stay away to no avail, warned them he would take measures and was ignored and, finally, sought help from the Gardai to no avail then he would be justified in killing the animals.

ScumLord · 19-11-2014 01:01PM

cloud493 wrote: »

Well he threw the people off the building. How was he to know that would cause their death?

In fact he was trying to save the victim. The victim, a mister Kelly told my client "I believe I can fly". In the world of batman this is not something unlikely. My client was simply trying to save mr Kelly from an attack by the penguin (which later turned out to be a waiter) by launching Mr kelly to speed up his take off. It was mr Kelly that dragged the rest of the people down with him as he went over the edge.

Mal-Adjusted · 19-11-2014 01:06PM

costadeldole wrote: »

Recently my cousins wife bumped into a man that had sexually abused her as a child. The abuser had moved back to the area where she lived.
The abuser was well known to my cousin (although he didn't know what he had done). When she confessed what he had done to her, my cousin paid him a visit and exacted punishment. He was the judge and the jury that day.
After the punishment, he gave the man 24 hours to leave their city, never to return again.
The abuser duly obliged, and my cousin and his wife moved on with their lives as best they could.
My cousin had initially told his wife to go to the Police and report the abuser, but she refused; and so he elected to take the law into his own hands.

Assuming this is true, then your cousin is a dangerous thug and should be locked up. His wife should have reported the man to the police (and still should). By having information about a child abuser and staying silent, they are both complicit in his crimes. The pair of them have done way more harm than good.

costadeldole wrote: »

He was ready to do the jail time required if necessary.

What a hero, ready to abandon his wife for possibly years just for a quick revenge fix.

costadeldole wrote: »

Personally I would have done the same, had I been in the same situation. Sometimes the law just can't deliver justice; and a man has to exact his own.

Tell me what justice there is in beating on a (presumably) old man, then letting him off into the night to abuse again?

I dislike the term "taking the law into your own hands". To me, all it seems to be is another way of saying "I'm going to ignore/break the law"

Professey Chin wrote: »

Wouldnt happen. Batman doesnt murder :pac:

You've clearly never read ASBAR.

FouxDaFaFa · 19-11-2014 01:09PM

The thing is, if something terrible happens to your loved one and you beat the sh1t out of the culprit or kill them, then your loved one is left with the trauma of what happened AND you in prison.

I understand the urge completely but you have to think, what is more important? That I'm there to support my loved one or that I avenge them?

Mesrine65 · 19-11-2014 01:12PM

mike_ie wrote: »

In my opinion, yes.

In theory, sure, everyone deserves a second chance, a chance at rehabilitation and whatnot, but in reality there are truly evil people out there that just don't deserve to be a part of this world, in any shape or form. Should any of those people cross paths with my family or others I care about, then yes, as far as I'm concerned there would be no holds barred.

mike_ie wrote: »

Depending on the circumstances, I'd also include after the fact.

+1

whisky_galore · 19-11-2014 01:12PM

mikemac1 wrote: »

It's illegal to poison some animals such as birds of prey.

Nothing illegal about laying out poison if it's for vermin, rabbits, foxes and some other exceptions. Cabbage you say, so dogs are going into a cabbage field and eating poison meant for rabbits

So there'd be no fine anyway

Who said the poison was intended for rabbits?

Either way, putting up a 'land poisoned' sign would be enough to discourage the dog owners from entering his land without all the unpleasantness. If the dogs came in of their own accord, well, tough titty.

bear1 · 19-11-2014 01:20PM

Here is a story of a father who took the law into his own hands and actually won:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/kidnapped-daughters-killer---only-3728024

truedoom · 19-11-2014 01:24PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The batman defence. "your honor, at the time my client believed he was batman, so his heart was in the right place and he looked pretty cool when he murdered those people".

batman doesn't kill people

Odyssey 2005 · 19-11-2014 01:32PM

cloud493 wrote: »

Well he threw the people off the building. How was he to know that would cause their death?

He can fly,so he thought they could too..:P:P

J Mysterio · 19-11-2014 02:30PM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

The thing is, if something terrible happens to your loved one and you beat the sh1t out of the culprit or kill them, then your loved one is left with the trauma of what happened AND you in prison.

I understand the urge completely but you have to think, what is more important? That I'm there to support my loved one or that I avenge them?

Revenge. The Irish justice system is a ****ing joke anyway. Temporary insanity m'lord.

19-11-2014 02:33PM

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

The thing is, if something terrible happens to your loved one and you beat the sh1t out of the culprit or kill them, then your loved one is left with the trauma of what happened AND you in prison.

I understand the urge completely but you have to think, what is more important? That I'm there to support my loved one or that I avenge them?

Yeah you'd have to not get caught as well sure

end of the road · 19-11-2014 05:50PM

costadeldole wrote: »

Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?
Recently my cousins wife bumped into a man that had sexually abused her as a child. The abuser had moved back to the area where she lived.
The abuser was well known to my cousin (although he didn't know what he had done). When she confessed what he had done to her, my cousin paid him a visit and exacted punishment. He was the judge and the jury that day.
After the punishment, he gave the man 24 hours to leave their city, never to return again.
The abuser duly obliged, and my cousin and his wife moved on with their lives as best they could.
My cousin had initially told his wife to go to the Police and report the abuser, but she refused; and so he elected to take the law into his own hands. He was ready to do the jail time required if necessary.
Personally I would have done the same, had I been in the same situation. Sometimes the law just can't deliver justice; and a man has to exact his own.

in short, no . your cousin invalidated any argument he had and in effect condones breaking the law. he says he will gladly do the jail time, no he wouldn't. that sort are all so tough when bitching about people breaking the law and then doing it themselves when it suits them but really they wouldn't last a second in a prison. with the greatist of respect, such a sort themselves have no place in society like abusers

Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?

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