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Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?

  • 19-11-2014 12:16AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 162 ✭✭costadeldole


    Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?
    Recently my cousins wife bumped into a man that had sexually abused her as a child. The abuser had moved back to the area where she lived.
    The abuser was well known to my cousin (although he didn't know what he had done). When she confessed what he had done to her, my cousin paid him a visit and exacted punishment. He was the judge and the jury that day.
    After the punishment, he gave the man 24 hours to leave their city, never to return again.
    The abuser duly obliged, and my cousin and his wife moved on with their lives as best they could.
    My cousin had initially told his wife to go to the Police and report the abuser, but she refused; and so he elected to take the law into his own hands. He was ready to do the jail time required if necessary.
    Personally I would have done the same, had I been in the same situation. Sometimes the law just can't deliver justice; and a man has to exact his own.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,571 ✭✭✭0byme75341jo28


    No.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,566 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    So he basically got away with it and will continue to abuse others. Done him a favor if anything.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    Yes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,634 ✭✭✭Aint Eazy Being Cheezy


    http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-25185400

    Ask one of those guys. They're serving 40 years between them in prison for taking the law into their own hands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    Only if you're Batman


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭Macavity.


    Ideally police would have been informed, but I realise it is not always that easy. This punishment that was "exacted" really was a waste of time though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,308 ✭✭✭downonthefarm


    Darn tootin there is.
    Where I'm from the filf are the last ones you call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,566 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Links234 wrote: »
    Only if you're Batman
    He used a bat, does that count ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Links234 wrote: »
    Only if you're Batman
    The batman defence. "your honor, at the time my client believed he was batman, so his heart was in the right place and he looked pretty cool when he murdered those people".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Sometimes the law just can't deliver justice

    Yes... When it isn't given a chance to, for example.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    If the law is to wind your own watch then, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    How do you know my nickname for little Float is "The Law" ?
    In answer to the question, generally anytime after dawn is good for me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭Tail Docker


    DeadHand wrote: »
    Yes... When it isn't given a chance to, for example.

    Hmm. A chap attempted to abduct a child in a town near me. Gardai were informed, but they couldn't find him, as he had fled. That and the whole "didn't really try too hard either" thing. Happily, I found him.

    I, erm, "detained" him and rang the gards to come get him. They informed me that if I didn't let him go immediately, I'd be charged with falsely imprisoning him. So I let him go.

    The Gardai were a great help and took the whole investigation massively seriously. Not. BTW, the child was my daughter. Afterwards, a Gard called round and reasuured me that the paedo would not be back this way again -as they had "warned him off" - with a straight face. Soo, the problem was moved on, not dealt with. Which was apparently grand. I should have "let him go" a bit higher up, tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    How do you know my nickname for little Float is "The Law" ?
    In answer to the question, generally anytime after dawn is good for me.

    Well, more like 'petty crime', or so I've heard...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Birneybau wrote: »
    Well, more like 'petty crime', or so I've heard...


    ....I was having an off night and your mother gave me my money back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Is there ever a time to take the law into your own hands?

    In my opinion, yes.

    In theory, sure, everyone deserves a second chance, a chance at rehabilitation and whatnot, but in reality there are truly evil people out there that just don't deserve to be a part of this world, in any shape or form. Should any of those people cross paths with my family or others I care about, then yes, as far as I'm concerned there would be no holds barred.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,059 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Should any of those people cross paths with my family or others I care about, then yes, as far as I'm concerned there would be no holds barred.

    If you are talking about self-defence, that's not really taking the law into your own hands though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    osarusan wrote: »
    If you are talking about self-defence, that's not really taking the law into your own hands though.

    Depending on the circumstances, I'd also include after the fact.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭Kevin McCloud


    Would shooting a burglar in your own home be a definition as taking the law into your own hands?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Irishcrx


    Yes , there are times when taking the law into your own hands is the only way of dealing with something or protecting yourself but there are consequences to that , like anything.

    With the OP story , there's a 50/50 chance that the person in question actually commited the crime, there was no evidence that he had done so, for all your cousin knows he got the wrong man or his other half was lying.

    How do I or anyone on here not know that there is some psycho ex girlfriend or someone from the past we didn't get on with who would tell people thing's like that even though they never happened , que being branded guilty without proof and beaten around with a baseball bat.

    Sounds far fetched but this kind of thing happens all the time, that's why we have laws and a justice system.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,188 ✭✭✭DoYouEvenLift


    Would shooting a burglar in your own home be a definition as taking the law into your own hands?


    No, that would be self defence. Or at least it should be. Actually I'm unaware on the laws for this, reminds me of the time the farmer was trialled for killing the traveller who tried to rob his place. Am I right in saying you can shoot them but just not if they're unarmed and turned away from you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Would shooting a burglar in your own home be a definition as taking the law into your own hands?

    Depends on if he was shooting at you. If you had him on his knees with his hands tied, I'd say it was probably wrong :)

    I think what the OP means by taking the law into your own hands is doing something when you could go to the guards. One of those, life or death, in the moment things don't really count.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,054 ✭✭✭✭Professey Chin


    ScumLord wrote: »
    The batman defence. "your honor, at the time my client believed he was batman, so his heart was in the right place and he looked pretty cool when he murdered those people".

    Wouldnt happen. Batman doesnt murder :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    No, that would be self defence. Or at least it should be. Actually I'm unaware on the laws for this, reminds me of the time the farmer was trialled for killing the traveller who tried to rob his place. Am I right in saying you can shoot them but just not if they're unarmed and turned away from you?

    I think you have to be in danger. Shooting an unarmed person who's legging it doesn't really count as danger :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    I'm not a fan of vigilante justice because where do you draw the line? You decide it's ok in one or two situations and before you know people are taking the law into their own hands for every little thing. It's unreasonable and unworkable imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,787 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Wouldnt happen. Batman doesnt murder :pac:
    Your honor, my expert witness professey chin states that batman doesn't murder, my client believed he was batman at the time, therefore he couldn't have murdered those people. Sometimes CCTV can be wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,706 ✭✭✭valoren


    Can you swing a sack of doorknobs OP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    If somebody abused my children i would not get the law involved


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,835 ✭✭✭✭cloud493


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Your honor, my expert witness professey chin states that batman doesn't murder, my client believed he was batman at the time, therefore he couldn't have murdered those people. Sometimes CCTV can be wrong.

    Well he threw the people off the building. How was he to know that would cause their death?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    valoren wrote: »
    Can you swing a sack of doorknobs OP?
    Here's a sack, but you have to supply your own doorknobs


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