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Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

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  • #152
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Absolutely, benefit & insurence fraud are 2 of my big bug bearers. I wouldn't hesitate.

    Wait. What? Fonelovin'dude is a bugbear of benefit and insurance fraud?


    As to the OP, no I wouldn't report a dole snitch. Fraud is hard work and they deserve the money they get.


  • #153
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Wait. What? Fonelovin'dude is a bugbear of benefit and insurance fraud?


    As to the OP, no I wouldn't report a dole snitch. Fraud is hard work and they deserve the money they get.

    Jobbridge.

    Now there's dole fraud for you.....

    €20 cash and your dole for 40 hours.


  • #154
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Was this before or after Franklin commited treason against his own government ? Makes no difference how you answer that, Franklin was expert at being on the winning side come whatever revolution.
    You mean Benedict Arnold? Franklin wasn't a traitor.


  • #155
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    cut welfare down the longer you are on it, if you really are desperate for the money you will find a way of getting it...

    welfare is a big part of the problem here, it requires penal levels of income taxes at low levels to fund it (and all of the associated impacts thats this has) and the contributes to the high cost of living, its a vicious circle and chicken and egg scenario.


  • #156
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You mean Benedict Arnold? Franklin wasn't a traitor.

    Well aware of Benedict Arnold changing sides openly(I watch sleepy hollow too)). Franklin spent a lot of time in Paris and London cultivating both sides of the 1776 argument. He was a survivor and were he alive today would be happily claiming disability while holding down a job as minister of social welfare in a couple of countries. With consulting work off the books on the side.


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  • #157
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,297 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    It's crazy. Would people have a word to their brother if they were robbing from a few hundred church charity box every week? That is essentially what they are doing/

    No it's not even close to being similar.
    What a stupid analogy.
    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Whether or not he is a relative is irrelevant, I would have no hesitation reporting my brother for a similar offence. A person who commits welfare fraud is stealing from all of us, they are the lowest of the low, total bottom feeding parasites.

    No it is not irrelevant at all.

    If you would report your own brother for doing a couple of days work off the books then you would be a complete scumbag.


  • #158
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    cut welfare down the longer you are on it, if you really are desperate for the money you will find a way of getting it...

    welfare is a big part of the problem here, it creates penal levels of income taxes and the contributes to the high cost of living, its a vicious circle and chicken and egg scenario.

    Wrong. Welfare is a good and worthwhile safety net and is not the cause of high income taxes. Sadly there are those who abuse it and that includes the paying of unsustainable wages. If anything should be done it is the raining of minimum wage to €12 per hour.


  • #159
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,779 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    People would actually shop there own brother? Have a word with him but to actually report him and he could even see jail?
    What kind of a prick are you?


  • #160
    breghall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭breghall


    Have done and will do again.

    I work too hard to make some choose not to....

    that single mother, living alone scam is rife where i live, and their partners in full time employment and some driving around in 131's.

    this country is a joke, i even know of a man who used to collect his partners SW payments at times, because she was at her house with the kids in LATVIA!!


  • #161
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    breghall wrote: »
    Have done and will do again.

    I work too hard to make some choose not to....

    that single mother, living alone scam is rife where i live, and their partners in full time employment and some driving around in 131's.

    this country is a joke, i even know of a man who used to collect his partners SW payments at times, because she was at her house with the kids in LATVIA!!


    The Single Moms are attacking again. Take cover.


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  • #162
    Electric Sheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,113 ✭✭✭Electric Sheep


    mdwexford wrote: »
    No it's not even close to being similar.
    What a stupid analogy.



    No it is not irrelevant at all.

    If you would report your own brother for doing a couple of days work off the books then you would be a complete scumbag.

    It was not a couple of days of work, it was several years of work per the poster who posted the story.

    I know who the complete scumbags are - the fraudsters and the fraudster apologists.

    You get what you deserve, no wonder the country is in the state it is. From the highest to the lowest, no shred of integrity, and no respect for it.


  • #163
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Well aware of Benedict Arnold changing sides openly(I watch sleepy hollow too)). Franklin spent a lot of time in Paris and London cultivating both sides of the 1776 argument. He was a survivor and were he alive today would be happily claiming disability while holding down a job as minister of social welfare in a couple of countries. With consulting work off the books on the side.
    What the hell is sleepy hollow? Anyway, your seemingly random dislike or a long dead character aside, I don't see how he was a traitor. He was always on the side of the colonies and was one of the earliest supporters of continental unity.


  • #164
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    jimgoose wrote: »
    What do we mean exactly by a "dole cheat"? Some poor skin who does a couple of days work per week off the books so he can have a few pints Saturday night? No, I'd count my considerable blessings and keep my fool mouth shut.

    Ffs


  • #165
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,447 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Welfare is a good and worthwhile safety net and is not the cause of high income taxes. Sadly there are those who abuse it and that includes the paying of unsustainable wages. If anything should be done it is the raining of minimum wage to €12 per hour.

    I agree with the safety net, I dont agree with the sham that is the irish welfare system though, just got out and do what germany does, everything based on what you paid in, take the piss and you are off it. Defraud the system? good luck... Its a moronic system we have here and at the levels it is at for a lot of people actually facilitated the rush or even desire to find a job or improve their prospects...


  • #166
    FloatingVoter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭FloatingVoter


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    What the hell is sleepy hollow? Anyway, your seemingly random dislike or a long dead character aside, I don't see how he was a traitor. He was always on the side of the colonies and was one of the earliest supporters of continental unity.

    There you go, treasonous behaviour against his then legal masters. Law-abiding subjects like yourself would have seen him hang. Sleepy Hollow is an educational TV series.


  • #167
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    mdwexford wrote: »
    No it's not even close to being similar.
    What a stupid analogy.



    No it is not irrelevant at all.

    If you would report your own brother for doing a couple of days work off the books then you would be a complete scumbag.

    Its exactly the same thing!!

    People contribute voluntarily to a fund for helping people in difficult financial situations (Tax/Church collection) someone who is not entitled to the money fraudualently takes it.

    Exact the same!

    People in Ireland just can't see that stealing from 'the man' is stealing from everyone!


  • #168
    Robsweezie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    the smug gits who take pride in conning the system - they are the ones who should be targeted.


  • #169
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    This government has spun this crap for the last 3 years.
    Most of the overpayments are down to their own staff being sh1te at their jobs.
    The figures will bear out that fact.
    Divide and conquer, the FG way.

    Its not crap though. When the "fraud" is investigated it is found that it is not fraud.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #170
    Means Of Escape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭Means Of Escape


    jaymcg91 wrote: »
    I don't approve or agree of fraud of any type, but karma can be a bitch.

    My advice is generally mind your own business. Most people would be far better off spending time looking at themselves rather than other people :P.

    You'd be minding their business if they knocked off your car but because you can't see the money their taking from you indirectly it doesn't have that kind of effect .


  • #171
    swht
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭swht


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    I've dobbed two of them and I'm actively looking for more.

    That sounds like a wonderful hobby...


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  • #172
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    gonzo.phd wrote: »
    That sounds like a wonderful hobby...

    It's good fun and i get to make the world a better place.


  • #173
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    I've dobbed two of them and I'm actively looking for more.


    Did you at least give them the opportunity to meet their accuser face to face? Or did you just stick to the whole anonymous tip thing?


  • #174
    Beaner1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 819 ✭✭✭Beaner1


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Did you at least give them the opportunity to meet their accuser face to face? Or did you just stick to the whole anonymous tip thing?

    No, why do they need to meet their "accuser"?


  • #175
    Tinkersbell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Tinkersbell


    fedor.2. wrote: »
    Did you at least give them the opportunity to meet their accuser face to face? Or did you just stick to the whole anonymous tip thing?

    Stop feeding it........it'll go away soon.


  • #176
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    No, why do they need to meet their "accuser"?


    Don't worry about it, kid. Keep up the good work.


  • #177
    fedor.2.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    Tinkersbell wrote: »
    It's on €20k a month you know....
    It put his 'payslip' up on this very site yesterday and started a thread called 'look at me...I'm great'


    Ah, I see.


  • #178
    anncoates
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Beaner1 wrote: »
    No, why do they need to meet their "accuser"?

    To make him cry?


  • #179
    Henlars67
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭Henlars67


    I would never snitch on anyone, just couldn't do it.

    I do kind of understand why somebody would want to though.

    However, I think people really should try to distinguish between those who are taking the p!ss, and those who are doing whatever they have to just to survive.

    If somebody is really struggling and getting a very odd days work then I don't have any problem with them not signing off for it.

    If somebody is claiming loads of benefits and working more or less full-time on the side then of course I'd have a problem with that. I still couldn't be a rat though.


  • #180
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,539 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bit of a bogey wrote: »
    I know many who might get a few days work here or there. The amount they get paid however is not enough to support their family for the week, hence they need to claim to social welfare also. Now if they knew they were going to get a full weeks work consistently, they would stop claiming the dole. The people I speak of are not proud of collecting social welfare and would do everything they could to get into full time employment.

    Surely that's what casual is for?

    Not related to the above, but rather in reference to how some people here are interchangeably using "an hour now and then" and "a few days work a week". Personally I think there's a big difference between taking pay for a few hours babysitting or gardening compared to a few days work a week. If you're getting a day a week, you can sign on to casual jobseekers, there's no excuse not to. There are plenty of people who get a few days fishing, labouring, freelance writing/designing a week, and make a good few bob off it, but consider it "just an hour here and there, not enough to tell DSP about".


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  • #181
    Putin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Putin


    Trigger Happy wrote: »
    In 2013 33% of the governments total revenue was spent on welfare.
    So 33% of all the taxes I pay goes on welfare. If they can minimise fraud it increases the chances of tax cuts in the future.

    You're paying more taxes because of the big boys and their white collar crime. They ran banks into the ground and we are paying for it. So Irish though, lets all go after the bottom feeders and leave the big sharks alone.


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