Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

FutureGuy · 18-11-2014 08:30PM

In a heartbeat. Don't mind this sh!te about the poor lad needing money for a few pints. Fcuk that. Plenty of people with full time jobs busting their gut and they can't afford a pint.

Why should I pay for their pints and their 10 hour working week where they get benefits, doctor paid and come out with more money than alot of people.

One of the many reasons this country is down the sh!tter. The fraudsters and the people who think it's ok to commit fraud.

Same with insurance fraud. No time for it.

sonofenoch · 18-11-2014 08:32PM

I read alot of people who say they would mention friends, friends of friends, in-laws or someone they've had a personal gripe with....sets off all sorts of alarm bells that their reasons are not altogether altruistic

oceanman · 18-11-2014 08:34PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So you choose which laws should be followed?

do you follow every single law to the letter?...
I mind my own business, its not my job to report these people.

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-11-2014 08:36PM

anncoates wrote: »

Rats deserve anything they get.

But thieves should get away with there crimes :rolleyes:

YFlyer · 18-11-2014 08:37PM

Sure if somebody ask one of his/her neighbours, who is on SW, to cut the lawn for €20, instead of cutting it themselves. I don't see that as a problem. Sure the €20 will most probably be spent anyway.

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-11-2014 08:39PM

oceanman wrote: »

do you follow every single law to the letter?...
I mind my own business, its not my job to report these people.

If you saw someone breaking into a house would it be your business? It's not about following every single law to the letter it's about right and wrong. Maybe it was my upbringing that makes me consider fraud to be wrong.

Roquentin · 18-11-2014 08:39PM

endacl wrote: »

It's the 'threaten' part I'm not so comfortable with. I get her situation. Recently separated after an abusive relationship. Single mum. Doing a college course and trying to build something. Life's not easy. I honestly don't want to be adding to somebody's troubles.

On the other hand, I'm down €180...

"You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." al capone

i remember a guy crashed into my neighbours wall. My neighbour like you only wanted something tiny to fix it (50 euro) half a days work for a concrete wall.

The guy kept avoiding the situation. It was only when the neighbour threatened to report him to the garda that he suddenly arrived at the neighbours front door all polite with the money

the world runs on threats

Highflyer13 · 18-11-2014 08:40PM

It pisses me off to see the brother sending watsapp pics to a group of him down the pub in the middle of the week with his dole money while I am in work. It always starts off with the picture of the receipt for €188 and a steady stream of pints and nightclubs for the next few days.:mad:

I do be a bit jealous, not going to lie but the fecker is loaded!

Tasden · 18-11-2014 08:46PM

I just don't understand how so many people know the specific figures and details of their neighbours' income. So many people talk about their neighbour or whoever who is on "loan" parent and earning x amount, paying x amount on rent etc, the lengths the partner goes to in order to avoid them being caught out by inspectors etc., do they actually go around telling their neighbours all this? Or are people just making assumptions? Genuine question, cause I couldn't tell you the financial situation of one single neighbour of mine.

sonofenoch · 18-11-2014 08:54PM

Tasden wrote: »

I just don't understand how so many people know the specific figures and details of their neighbours' income. So many people talk about their neighbour or whoever who is on "loan" parent and earning x amount, paying x amount on rent etc, the lengths the partner goes to in order to avoid them being caught out by inspectors etc., do they actually go around telling their neighbours all this? Or are people just making assumptions? Genuine question, cause I couldn't tell you the financial situation of one single neighbour of mine.

It's called an unhealthy obsession...

Agricola · 18-11-2014 08:55PM

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

I knew a dole cheat. He was in his late 50's and pretty much unemployable. Sometimes he got the odd night as a night watchman. Got paid a pittance, but was in the hand. He was a lovely quiet man who lived on his own in a bedsit. Would always give you a smile and say hello as he passed. Somebody reported him and they stopped his dole. Hung himself shortly after.

Words can't express the contempt I have for anyone who would report someone for trying to earn a few extra quid to supplement their dole. You can rationalise it all you want. It's a scummy thing to do.

Yes, its not black and white. Of all the people claiming, it's a small percentage that are cheating. Of that small percentage, some could be builders working in the black economy and very comfortable with their dole top up, some could be the fabled "single mother / live in boyfriend who technically doesnt exit" situation, and some are people like the man you mentioned. Just unfortunates who got into a rut and need actual help as much as anything.
My view is let the department do their own job. The weakest in society are paying heavily for the cock ups of an elite class, Im not going to help them hammer them further.

Tinkersbell · 18-11-2014 08:58PM

TheSheriff wrote: »

I told him I was going to report him to everyone that I possibly could including revenue and sure enough he paid up immediately.

I then reported him to revenue anyway.

What happened?

Annasopra · 18-11-2014 08:59PM

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Apparently there has been a huge increase in the amount of people reporting dole fraud to the department of social protection in the last year (don't have the source, just heard a segment on the radio about it).

So would you do it? Have you ever done it? Would you be hesitant to do it? Interested in the AH consensus here.

For my part, I don't know. I'd want to be pretty damn sure someone was taking the piss before reporting them.

A huge increase in fraud reports. Just reports though. So most of the reports are not fraud.

Beaner1 · 18-11-2014 09:01PM

I've dobbed two of them and I'm actively looking for more.

Tinkersbell · 18-11-2014 09:01PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

A huge increase in fraud reports. Just reports though. So most of the reports are not fraud.

This government has spun this crap for the last 3 years.
Most of the overpayments are down to their own staff being sh1te at their jobs.
The figures will bear out that fact.
Divide and conquer, the FG way.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 18-11-2014 09:02PM

I gave very serious consideration to reporting my brother last year.

He's been "between jobs" consistently for the last 8 or so years. He did an electrician apprenticeship but dropped out after two years so picked up some skills but never fully qualified.

I was home last December and discovered he'd been doing nixers on a weekly basis. He was doing on average 2-3 jobs a week, proudly telling me he was getting a good 300 euro extra each week. Although I don't actually technically pay tax in Ireland, by contributing to the German tax pot, I indirectly support the Irish system.

It caused a massive row when I said I would be reporting him if he didn't come clean with the department of social protection and come to some arrangement to reimburse them. My mother eventually talked me down, making the point that it would affect his child more than him, so I said I'd let bygones be bygones provided he either came off the dole or stopped doing nixers.

In the long run it was a blessing, because he has come off the dole and is in full time employment. He's also undertaken a course in being a personal trainer (although I think that venture is ridiculous seeing as the man can't even run a 10k under 45 mins!!).

Tinkersbell · 18-11-2014 09:03PM

Beaner1 wrote: »

I've dobbed two of them and I'm actively looking for more.

How many likes on the ratbo...sorry, facebook page now?:D

mdwexford · 18-11-2014 09:07PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I gave very serious consideration to reporting my brother last year.

He's been "between jobs" consistently for the last 8 or so years. He did an electrician apprenticeship but dropped out after two years so picked up some skills but never fully qualified.

I was home last December and discovered he'd been doing nixers on a weekly basis. He was doing on average 2-3 jobs a week, proudly telling me he was getting a good 300 euro extra each week. Although I don't actually technically pay tax in Ireland, by contributing to the German tax pot, I indirectly support the Irish system.

It caused a massive row when I said I would be reporting him if he didn't come clean with the department of social protection and come to some arrangement to reimburse them. My mother eventually talked me down, making the point that it would affect his child more than him, so I said I'd let bygones be bygones provided he either came off the dole or stopped doing nixers.

In the long run it was a blessing, because he has come off the dole and is in full time employment. He's also undertaken a course in being a personal trainer (although I think that venture is ridiculous seeing as the man can't even run a 10k under 45 mins!!).

If I was your brother I would have beat you to a bloody pulp and then you would have been dead to me.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 18-11-2014 09:09PM

mdwexford wrote: »

If I was your brother I would have beat you to a bloody pulp and then you would have been dead to me.

Its ridiculous! Irish people are always outraged at corruption in government yet they gladly turn a blind eye to local level corruption.

rob316 · 18-11-2014 09:10PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I gave very serious consideration to reporting my brother last year.

He's been "between jobs" consistently for the last 8 or so years. He did an electrician apprenticeship but dropped out after two years so picked up some skills but never fully qualified.

I was home last December and discovered he'd been doing nixers on a weekly basis. He was doing on average 2-3 jobs a week, proudly telling me he was getting a good 300 euro extra each week. Although I don't actually technically pay tax in Ireland, by contributing to the German tax pot, I indirectly support the Irish system.

It caused a massive row when I said I would be reporting him if he didn't come clean with the department of social protection and come to some arrangement to reimburse them. My mother eventually talked me down, making the point that it would affect his child more than him, so I said I'd let bygones be bygones provided he either came off the dole or stopped doing nixers.

In the long run it was a blessing, because he has come off the dole and is in full time employment. He's also undertaken a course in being a personal trainer (although I think that venture is ridiculous seeing as the man can't even run a 10k under 45 mins!!).

Christ who needs enemies when you have a brother like you.

Sh1tbag OToole · 18-11-2014 09:11PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

I gave very serious consideration to reporting my brother last year.

He's been "between jobs" consistently for the last 8 or so years. He did an electrician apprenticeship but dropped out after two years so picked up some skills but never fully qualified.

I was home last December and discovered he'd been doing nixers on a weekly basis. He was doing on average 2-3 jobs a week, proudly telling me he was getting a good 300 euro extra each week. Although I don't actually technically pay tax in Ireland, by contributing to the German tax pot, I indirectly support the Irish system.

It caused a massive row when I said I would be reporting him if he didn't come clean with the department of social protection and come to some arrangement to reimburse them. My mother eventually talked me down, making the point that it would affect his child more than him, so I said I'd let bygones be bygones provided he either came off the dole or stopped doing nixers.

In the long run it was a blessing, because he has come off the dole and is in full time employment. He's also undertaken a course in being a personal trainer (although I think that venture is ridiculous seeing as the man can't even run a 10k under 45 mins!!).

Although I don't live in Germany, by contributing to the Irish tax pot I indirectly support the German system moreso than the Irish one

Beaner1 · 18-11-2014 09:11PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Its ridiculous! Irish people are always outraged at corruption in government yet they gladly turn a blind eye to local level corruption.

It's crazy. Would people have a word to their brother if they were robbing from a few hundred church charity box every week? That is essentially what they are doing/

Sh1tbag OToole · 18-11-2014 09:15PM

Beaner1 wrote: »

It's crazy. Would people have a word to their brother if they were robbing from a few hundred church charity box every week? That is essentially what they are doing/

The greatest robber of church charity boxes is the church itself, and nobody likes the church these days

John_Rambo · 18-11-2014 09:15PM

mdwexford wrote: »

If I was your brother I would have beat you to a bloody pulp and then you would have been dead to me.

Did you shoot a man in Reno just to watch him die?

FloatingVoter · 18-11-2014 09:17PM

I have never seen so many unemployed people dying to snitch on each other. Anybody posting after 5 PM I will assume is gainfully employed. Those posting before 5 PM on this thread are either unemployed or are fraudulently wasting their employers time and resources to be here *
I wish you lose your jobs, your children have to be told the truth about Santa and that 2015 brings untold misery and unforeseen medical expenses down upon your houses. Then this time next year, those of you that are still drawing breath can come back with a grown-up view of the topic.

* My apologies to the self-employed - you are obviously very successful to have so much time to spend on such a trivial topic.

Calhoun · 18-11-2014 09:19PM

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Its ridiculous! Irish people are always outraged at corruption in government yet they gladly turn a blind eye to local level corruption.

Ìn this case its not the local level corruption, i think its more your attitude people are alarmed at.

bit of a bogey · 18-11-2014 09:23PM

I'd just like to point out that some people claiming social welfare and working the odd day are not purposely cheating the system.

I know many who might get a few days work here or there. The amount they get paid however is not enough to support their family for the week, hence they need to claim to social welfare also. Now if they knew they were going to get a full weeks work consistently, they would stop claiming the dole. The people I speak of are not proud of collecting social welfare and would do everything they could to get into full time employment.

My point is that the system we have is not flexible enough to go on and off social welfare or to even cater for non-steady part time work. If they stopped taking their job seekers benefit, they could have no income for weeks on end.

I don't blame them for taking a days work when available.

Teyla Emmagan · 18-11-2014 09:24PM

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

I knew a dole cheat. He was in his late 50's and pretty much unemployable. Sometimes he got the odd night as a night watchman. Got paid a pittance, but was in the hand. He was a lovely quiet man who lived on his own in a bedsit. Would always give you a smile and say hello as he passed. Somebody reported him and they stopped his dole. Hung himself shortly after.

That is very sad, poor man. Doesn't sound like he had much of a life, even without the cash in hand. What a really awful story.

Iwasfrozen · 18-11-2014 09:28PM

mdwexford wrote: »

If I was your brother I would have beat you to a bloody pulp and then you would have been dead to me.

"There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people more easily and frequently fall than that of defrauding the government." - Benjamin Franklin

Whether or not he is a relative is irrelevant, I would have no hesitation reporting my brother for a similar offence. A person who commits welfare fraud is stealing from all of us, they are the lowest of the low, total bottom feeding parasites.

FloatingVoter · 18-11-2014 09:30PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

"There is no kind of dishonesty into which otherwise good people more easily and frequently fall than that of defrauding the government." - Benjamin Franklin

Whether or not he is a relative is irrelevant, I would have no hesitation reporting my brother for a similar offence. A person who commits welfare fraud is stealing from all of us, they are the lowest of the low, total bottom feeding parasites.

Was this before or after Franklin commited treason against his own government ? Makes no difference how you answer that, Franklin was expert at being on the winning side come whatever revolution.

Would you snitch on a dole cheat?

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