MP Paedophile Killer?

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 06:19PM #1

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/i-saw-mp-kill-boy-at-paedophile-party-says-alleged-victim-30749664.html

Could this be true? I have seen stories here and there about such crazy things but to be honest I have always presumed it was the ultra-looney brigade who put about such tales (and I say that as a semi-loon myself, so no serious offense intended).

If such things are possibly true, and if there has been a cover up to the level of Downing Street, do you not think it undermines everything we think we know about political life, society and heck, maybe even our civilisation as a whole?

I do.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2014 06:20PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/i-saw-mp-kill-boy-at-paedophile-party-says-alleged-victim-30749664.html

Could this be true? I have seen stories here and there about such crazy things but to be honest I have always presumed it was the ultra-looney brigade who put about such tales (and I say that as a semi-loon myself, so no serious offense intended).

If such things are possibly true, and if there has been a cover up to the level of Downing Street, do you not think it undermines everything we think we know about political life, society and heck, maybe even our civilisation as a whole?

I do.

There was a whole group called PIE that used to promote paedos in the 70's or 80's that had several Tory members from what I heard.

Tail Docker · 18-11-2014 06:24PM

Amazing how revelations come out years after the fact, when perpetrators are about to snuff it themselves, yet it's stifled when it's current. Suggests that when their "power" of Office has faded they slip out of the circle of scummers and facts emerge. Also makes me wonder if this would be possible without collusion from high ranking members of the Police.

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 06:28PM

I suppose what I mean by what i said is having been brought up lower middle class, educated well, raised Catholic though absconded at 16, I find that one by one the pillars of what we once thought of as 'decent' society have been leveled, from the priests to the guards etc and so on. And now those who serve US as public representatives could actually prove to harbour total monsters in their midst and protect them from prosecution over decades.

I am just sick of it all. I do not believe in this so-called civilisation that runs along these tainted lines. I don't support the Church so that lets me out on that one. I have lived a life of relative chosen freedom outside the constraints of the norm so that leaves me out of the stupid mass of what passes for acceptable society. But why the hell should I pay taxes to support a political system that is inherently sick and corrupt. And it does seem to me to be.
(I know it's UK...but still. I have met high fliers and politicians from different countries and they are a breed.)

Piliger · 18-11-2014 06:31PM

It's probably the result of someone high on drugs.

My name is URL · 18-11-2014 06:31PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

There was a whole group called PIE that used to promote paedos in the 70's or 80's that had several Tory members from what I heard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

The group's stated aim was "to alleviate [the] suffering of many adults and children" by campaigning to abolish the age of consent thus legalising sex between adults and children.

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Donkey Oaty · 18-11-2014 06:34PM

From what we do know about certain people - take Sir Cyril Smith as an example - there is no reason think that these allegations are implausible.

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 06:35PM

My name is URL wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

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Ugh.
Just flipping ugh.
I grow truly bored of what we are prepared to swallow down with our lattes. We are a complacent, subservient species. We get the leaders we deserve perhaps.

Ave Sodalis · 18-11-2014 06:36PM

My name is URL wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paedophile_Information_Exchange

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Pumpkinseeds · 18-11-2014 06:42PM

I think it's just the tip of the iceberg really. There have been accusations in the past that kids were taken from care homes and state institutions in the UK to be sexually abused at paedophile parties by celebrities, senior politicians, members of the judiciary and a whole host of other upstanding pillars of the community. They were very different times and it isn't hard to believe that it would have been covered up.

AlanS181824 · 18-11-2014 06:43PM

Sounds a bit much really.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2014 06:44PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I think it's just the tip of the iceberg really. There have been accusations in the past that kids were taken from care homes and state institutions in the UK to be sexually abused at paedophile parties by celebrities, senior politicians, members of the judiciary and a whole host of other upstanding pillars of the community. They were very different times and it isn't hard to believe that it would have been covered up.

Rotherham was also a massive cover up and it wasnt a different time,

These things undoubtedly happened and are probably still happening

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 06:49PM

We will have to wait and see what happens, but Police believe survivor is credible.

Incidentally its a welcome surprise to see the indo even reporting this.

My name is URL · 18-11-2014 06:50PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

Ugh.
Just flipping ugh.
I grow truly bored of what we are prepared to swallow down with our lattes. We are a complacent, subservient species. We get the leaders we deserve perhaps.

Apparently other such advocacy groups still exist around the world.

Bit mad to think that the one in UK actually got government funding.

Makes the story in the OP seem a lot more plausible really.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2014 06:51PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Apparently other such advocacy groups still exist around the world.

Bit mad to think that the one in UK actually got government funding.

Makes the story in the OP seem a lot more plausible really.

Like Nambla.

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 06:52PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Apparently other such advocacy groups still exist around the world.

Bit mad to think that the one in UK actually got government funding.

Makes the story in the OP seem a lot more plausible really.

Apparently pie folded or went underground in the early eighties due to media and public pressure, but few members were prosecuted at the time.

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 06:55PM

i await, with bated breath, eoghan harris's fearsome denunciation of British establishment-protected paedophiles.

Specialun · 18-11-2014 06:56PM

If anything it enforces what we knew about political life

The rich/elite look after themselves and their own interest..fook the rest

floggg · 18-11-2014 07:03PM

Autonomous Cowherd wrote: »

I suppose what I mean by what i said is having been brought up lower middle class, educated well, raised Catholic though absconded at 16, I find that one by one the pillars of what we once thought of as 'decent' society have been leveled, from the priests to the guards etc and so on. And now those who serve US as public representatives could actually prove to harbour total monsters in their midst and protect them from prosecution over decades.

I am just sick of it all. I do not believe in this so-called civilisation that runs along these tainted lines. I don't support the Church so that lets me out on that one. I have lived a life of relative chosen freedom outside the constraints of the norm so that leaves me out of the stupid mass of what passes for acceptable society. But why the hell should I pay taxes to support a political system that is inherently sick and corrupt. And it does seem to me to be.
(I know it's UK...but still. I have met high fliers and politicians from different countries and they are a breed.)

To be honest your problem seems to be your wide eyed naivety regarding your so called pillars of society.

Did you really think that just because somebody put on a uniform or carried a certain title they weren't capable of wrong doing?

There will always be people who abuse their power and privilege. In fact, the more morally bankrupt tend to be drawn to positions of power so they can abuse it.

That is unfortunately the way for the world, and no system will ever be immune to it.

The bigger problem in the past was the blind deference shown to these people by naive plebs who believed the "pillars of society" were incorruptible. Society preferred to turn a blind eye to these things because life was easier that way - unless you a victim of this sort of thing in which case nobody wanted to hear your tale.

Nowadays we know better and we are much better at asking the hard questions and getting the hard answers.

So rather than things getting worse, things are in fact getting much much better. While we unfortunately won't be always able to prevent these things occurring, we are making it much harder for people to get away with it.

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 07:03PM

Specialun wrote: »

If anything it enforces what we knew about political life

The rich/elite look after themselves and their own interest..fook the rest

Well, if that is truly the case, and more and more I have moved from a reasonably centrist position on this to one that more than flirts with tin foil hatters, then why the heck are we so compliant?

Because when we stand by still, as we do and hardly raise a murmur over what various shocks we get, we are accomplices and history will know us as such. For we are educated and aware and have not the excuse of being an insensible peasantry.

And yet we allow our society to be felled by a thousand sinister cuts.

Why support it anymore?

I want a complete change. I'm fed up with it.

mad muffin · 18-11-2014 07:06PM

I thought this was going to be a story about an MP by day and a killer of pedophiles by night.

I wouldn't have a problem with that at all. Kill them all. Let Lucifer sort them out :mad:

Autonomous Cowherd · 18-11-2014 07:07PM

floggg wrote: »

To be honest your problem seems to be your wide eyed naivety regarding your so called pillars of society.

Did you really think that just because somebody put on a uniform or carried a certain title they weren't capable of wrong doing?

There will always be people who abuse their power and privilege. In fact, the more morally bankrupt tend to be drawn to positions of power so they can abuse it.

That is unfortunately the way for the world, and no system will ever be immune to it.

The bigger problem in the past was the blind deference shown to these people by naive plebs who believed the "pillars of society" were incorruptible. Society preferred to turn a blind eye to these things because life was easier that way - unless you a victim of this sort of thing in which case nobody wanted to hear your tale.

Nowadays we know better and we are much better at asking the hard questions and getting the hard answers.

So rather than things getting worse, things are in fact getting much much better. While we unfortunately won't be always able to prevent these things occurring, we are making it much harder for people to get away with it.

I agree with your first part. I have always been a bit naive....or hopeful rather. But what I have bolded I disagree with. Completely.

And as for these pillars of society the difference between them and fancy pantses we doffed our caps to is that they are the (so-called) servants of the people paid from the public purse. We have paid for them to have their decadent debauched lives of privilege. And still do. Through the nose.

Pumpkinseeds · 18-11-2014 07:10PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Rotherham was also a massive cover up and it wasnt a different time,

These things undoubtedly happened and are probably still happening

I totally agree. The reasoning behind Rotherham seems more to do with the authorities trying to avoid dealing with it in order to avoid being labelled as racist.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2014 07:11PM

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

I totally agree. The reasoning behind Rotherham seems more to do with the authorities trying to avoid dealing with it in order to avoid being labelled as racist.

Yeah but you can see authorities covering up crimes of powerful people, less they get some retribution coming down on them by the same reasoning

porsche959 · 18-11-2014 07:11PM

Incidentally silence from the labour front bench on this so far, it was maverick Tory mp Peter bone who today asked the attorney general to ensure the investigation is sufficiently resourced.

lazybones32 · 18-11-2014 07:13PM

It wouldn't surprise me tbh...

ceadaoin. · 18-11-2014 07:16PM

Since the whole Jimmy Savile stuff has come out I've read a bit into it. I ended up on a well known CT site where there was a large thread on it which was running for years. Most of the stuff written on there years ago which most people at the time would have said was looney stuff turned out to be all true. There definitely is/was a cover up going on and it probably does go up to very high levels. Just look at all the care home abuse that was going on in the UK as well as the recent scandal in Rotherham. Shocking really.

I don't know if the full truth will ever come out though. Probably not until the main perpetrators are dead anyway.

Fuhrer · 18-11-2014 07:18PM

This is probably related

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/18/senior-mps-half-brother-admits-historial-sex-offences-young-boys

Peist2007 · 18-11-2014 07:21PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Since the whole Jimmy Savile stuff has come out I've read a bit into it. I ended up on a well known CT site where there was a large thread on it which was running for years. Most of the stuff written on there years ago which most people at the time would have said was looney stuff turned out to be all true. There definitely is/was a cover up going on and it probably does go up to very high levels. Just look at all the care home abuse that was going on in the UK as well as the recent scandal in Rotherham. Shocking really.

I don't know if the full truth will ever come out though. Probably not until the main perpetrators are dead anyway.

Pretty much highlights why those who question the status quo should be protected from this damaging new trend of labelling those with contrarian views as nutters and "tin-foil hatters". Those are the contrarian views that lead to progress and, in cases like this, justice

Donkey Oaty · 18-11-2014 07:26PM

Peist2007 wrote: »

Pretty much highlights why those who question the status quo should be protected from this damaging new trend of labelling those with contrarian views as nutters and "tin-foil hatters". Those are the contrarian views that lead to progress and, in cases like this, justice

It really depends on whether or not they use these scandals as evidence for the lizard men.

not yet · 18-11-2014 07:33PM

Gives a whole new meaning to who ate all the PIE's

MP Paedophile Killer?

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