Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

Mr E · 17-11-2014 09:56PM

If someone with a handful of posts replies to this thread, don't engage.
The likelihood is that your posts will get deleted along with his (so you'll be wasting your energy).

Chance The Fapper · 17-11-2014 09:57PM

I think people are over reacting to this. Yes, it's completely wrong to choke women, yes, it's completely wrong to shove their heads to your crotch.

He clearly gained a large ego and sense of power from the money and reputation he was getting from teaching his seminars, and being a "great PUA", etc.

However, tarnishing all men who aspire to be able to pick up women, men who want a bit more confidence with women, etc, is also wrong.

I can say genuinely that I would not be in the (meaningful) relationship that I'm in now, had I not seen and tried out a bit of pick up. It gave me a happier life in general

Links234 · 17-11-2014 10:01PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Some of these PUA guys are ridiculous but it's interesting that the tone directed towards the 'whole PUA thing' when for years you see women's magazines with headlines on the cover 'dress to get the guy you deserve', 'how to lose weight to get that guy', 'how to flirt with your office crush' etc etc and you don't hear any vitriol directed towards their readers of those magazines.

If it was the other way around with women getting this sort of abuse there'd be shouts of sexism with internet campaigns and viral videos.

If this had been someone offering guys advice on how to dress to attract a girl, or how to flirt etc there'd be absolutely nothing to worry about. But this is a guy who telling guys that asian women are easy, to just go out and just grab them by the head and shove their faces into your crotch yelling "pikachu!"

there was a video of him, sadly it's been taken down from youtube, that not only showed him doing this, but TELLING people at one of his seminars this is what they should do. it also showed him grabbing a poor girl working at a 711 by the head, he's leaning over the counter, holding her by the head and kissing her saying in a kinda mocking way "beautiful beautiful" and she's absolutely terrified. This is a dude telling guys "hey, just go sexually assault women lol!"

Birneybau · 17-11-2014 10:03PM

Chance The Fapper wrote: »

I think people are over reacting to this. Yes, it's completely wrong to choke women, yes, it's completely wrong to shove their heads to your crotch.

He clearly gained a large ego and sense of power from the money and reputation he was getting from teaching his seminars, and being a "great PUA", etc.

However, tarnishing all men who aspire to be able to pick up women, men who want a bit more confidence with women, etc, is also wrong.

I can say genuinely that I would not be in the (meaningful) relationship that I'm in now, had I not seen and tried out a bit of pick up. It shaped me to be a better person

A bit of pick up made you a better person?

Chance The Fapper · 17-11-2014 10:05PM

Birneybau wrote: »

A bit of pick up made you a better person?

Maybe I should rephrase it, it gave me a better quality of life. I'm more confident, friendly and generally more happy.

Links234 · 17-11-2014 10:06PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

When you consider he shoved women's faces into his crotch, I really don't want to stare into that abyss.

He could just be some maniac with cable ties and duct tape in his car boot.

I still think that It's Always Sunny really hit the mark with this kind of thing with the character of Dennis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1lc6KASWg

Foxtrol · 17-11-2014 10:07PM

Candie wrote: »

I love the escapism of a glossy fashion or interiors magazine, and I'm being absolutely honest when I say I've never seen cover lines like those. They're more likely to be 'Drop a Dress Size by Xmas' or 'Are Office Flirtations Worth it?'. Maybe teen mags are different, I don't know.

What I do know is that I've never read anything even remotely approaching advocating assaulting men on the street by forcing their heads on your crotch, or step by step guides to insulting them just enough to damage their self esteem and make them more easily manipulated into sex, or how to persuade them to have sex with you, even if they make it clear they aren't attracted to you.

I guess our perceptions of what constitutes a social skill or self betterment are different.

As I said there's ridiculous extremes, like this guy, which it would be difficult for anyone to support, so he's not what I'm talking about.

I've seen it on here a few times that once PUA is mentioned you get a number of posters who move straight belittling any men who have or would think of using it.

I think there are many more options out there for women to get skills for talking to men, be it from friends, family, magazines, and this on top of social norms that men should be the ones doing the approaching, which already makes the interaction tougher on the man.

Don't get me wrong, women have their social pressures about how they look, their weight etc but there are many, many companies 'laughing all the way to the bank' looking to capitalize on this. You however don't see the same vitriol posted about women looking for advice on these aspects, even if for many they have the same end goal of finding a partner.

Foxtrol · 17-11-2014 10:11PM

Links234 wrote: »

If this had been someone offering guys advice on how to dress to attract a girl, or how to flirt etc there'd be absolutely nothing to worry about. But this is a guy who telling guys that asian women are easy, to just go out and just grab them by the head and shove their faces into your crotch yelling "pikachu!"

there was a video of him, sadly it's been taken down from youtube, that not only showed him doing this, but TELLING people at one of his seminars this is what they should do. it also showed him grabbing a poor girl working at a 711 by the head, he's leaning over the counter, holding her by the head and kissing her saying in a kinda mocking way "beautiful beautiful" and she's absolutely terrified. This is a dude telling guys "hey, just go sexually assault women lol!"

This is what you posted:

Links234 wrote: »

The whole PUA thing is a ****ing scam too, you can bet these kinds of asshats are laughing all the way to the bank. You read some of the marketing guff his 'seminars' have? "Develop panty-dropping masculinity with this rock-solid structure to self-generate the powerful emotions girls crave”? Scientology would be in awe of that kind of bull****.

Sounds like you're changing your tune.

I totally agree that this guy is an 'asshat' but you were against 'the whole PUA thing' which I disagree with.

17-11-2014 10:11PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, women have their social pressures about how they look, their weight etc but there are many, many companies 'laughing all the way to the bank' looking to capitalize on this. You however don't see the same vitriol posted about women looking for advice on these aspects, even if for many they have the same end goal of finding a partner.

There are very few cynical systems that utilise manipulation geared towards women. Comparing learning about trying to look better with the kind of dehumanising and exploitative methods espoused by PUA 'coaches' isn't really comparing like for like.

PUA is about mind games, women who try look better or lose weight aren't manipulating anyone.

smurgen · 17-11-2014 10:18PM

I just don't see the point of this crap.I'm sure it could work in the short term if you want a ride or something but the key to a long relationship I'd imagine in actually building one another's confidence and not using petty trick to undermine.also putting a woman's face into his crotch? What a dickhead,that's pure Larry Murphy behaviour.
Sort out your own confidence instead of bringing others down to your level.also you really have no idea what crap some people have going on in their lives so I'd ignore scripted put downs and conversation templates like this fella seems to peddling.

Foxtrol · 17-11-2014 10:23PM

Candie wrote: »

There are very few cynical systems that utilise manipulation geared towards women. Comparing learning about trying to look better with the kind of dehumanising and exploitative methods espoused by PUA 'coaches' isn't really comparing like for like.

PUA is about mind games, women who try look better or lose weight aren't manipulating anyone.

You go to a bar at night and every part of a woman's appearance could be fake, make up, fake tan, massive wedged heels, push up bra, dress using angles to mask their shape etc etc. That's straight up visually manipulating men by women and it's a massive industry. Just because one's visual and the other verbal it doesn't make too much difference (again I'm going to get ahead of the responses by stating I'm not talking about the extremes of PUA).

wexie · 17-11-2014 10:23PM

I have to admit that I'm somewhat confused. I've a bit of experience in my younger years (admittedly some time ago) with getting into a few panties here and there (perhaps more than a few) and in my experience the key was ALWAYS and WITHOUT exception in making a woman/girl feel good about herself.

And as far as I'm concerned pushing a randomers face in your crotch should immediately be followed by a headbut in said crotch. No exceptions

wexie · 17-11-2014 10:25PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

That's straight up visually manipulating men by women and it's a massive industry.

No it's not, it's good advertising.

It's no different than buying a large bag of crisps only to come home and realise it's only half full....

Well....kinda....

Anyways, it's not manipulating

Birneybau · 17-11-2014 10:31PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You go to a bar at night and every part of a woman's appearance could be fake, make up, fake tan, massive wedged heels, push up bra, dress using angles to mask their shape etc etc. That's straight up visually manipulating men by women and it's a massive industry. Just because one's visual and the other verbal it doesn't make too much difference (again I'm going to get ahead of the responses by stating I'm not talking about the extremes of PUA).

Make up makes a woman feel better about herself, pua techniques make her feel worse...Targeted lowering of anyones self-esteem is abhorrent.

Chance The Fapper · 17-11-2014 10:33PM

Birneybau wrote: »

pua techniques make her feel worse

That's not always true.

DoYouEvenLift · 17-11-2014 10:34PM

wexie wrote: »

No it's not, it's good advertising.

It's no different than buying a large bag of crisps only to come home and realise it's only half full....

Well....kinda....

Anyways, it's not manipulating

It'd be more deceiving I'd say

Links234 · 17-11-2014 10:34PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

This is what you posted:

Sounds like you're changing your tune.

I totally agree that this guy is an 'asshat' but you were against 'the whole PUA thing' which I disagree with.

Oh I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression, I'm against the whole sleazy thing. Just so we're clear on that

Birneybau · 17-11-2014 10:39PM

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/voices/2012/05/negging-latest-dating-trend

Never had to use pua techniques to be honest. I'm a grown man who's not afraid of women, they're just other people.

Chance The Fapper · 17-11-2014 10:42PM

Birneybau wrote: »

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/voices/2012/05/negging-latest-dating-trend

Never had to use pua techniques to be honest. I'm a grown man.

That's an article from 2012, and negging faded out long before then.

Birneybau · 17-11-2014 10:45PM

Chance The Fapper wrote: »

That's an article from 2012, and negging faded out long before then.

I don't keep up with latest trends.

17-11-2014 11:18PM

Foxtrol wrote: »

You go to a bar at night and every part of a woman's appearance could be fake, make up, fake tan, massive wedged heels, push up bra, dress using angles to mask their shape etc etc. That's straight up visually manipulating men by women and it's a massive industry. Just because one's visual and the other verbal it doesn't make too much difference (again I'm going to get ahead of the responses by stating I'm not talking about the extremes of PUA).

Unless you're blind you can see make up and heels, you know they're enhancements. A guy who dresses well or wears contacts or goes for styles that make his build look better is obviously enhancing how he looks too. There is no manipulation there, no mind game. If you see a girl in false eyelashes, you know they come off. A girl in high heels is obviously going to be shorter when they come off, nobody is being deceived by the blatantly obvious.

Men aren't stupid, they know this stuff, pretending they're manipulated by mascara and fake tan is selling them short.

Foxtrol · 18-11-2014 12:07AM

Birneybau wrote: »

Make up makes a woman feel better about herself, pua techniques make her feel worse...Targeted lowering of anyones self-esteem is abhorrent.

Why is it only the women's feelings that matter? There are many people out there that say PUA techniques have made them feel more confident and better about themselves and they dont involve any of what you're claiming. How is it ok for you to tarnish them all with the same brush?

I'm in no way an expert on PUA (out of interest I only watched a few videos on youtube) but from what I've seen this whole 'making her feel worse' is such a red-herring, generally thrown out by people who have no clue about it.

Have you done any actual research on PUA techniques at all before you call it abhorrent or are you just throwing out statements?

Foxtrol · 18-11-2014 12:21AM

Candie wrote: »

Unless you're blind you can see make up and heels, you know they're enhancements. A guy who dresses well or wears contacts or goes for styles that make his build look better is obviously enhancing how he looks too. There is no manipulation there, no mind game. If you see a girl in false eyelashes, you know they come off. A girl in high heels is obviously going to be shorter when they come off, nobody is being deceived by the blatantly obvious.

Men aren't stupid, they know this stuff, pretending they're manipulated by mascara and fake tan is selling them short.

If men are being so abhorrent to women like it's being claimed, are you saying that these women are stupid enough that they can't see that this guy is manipulating them?

Laura Palmer · 18-11-2014 12:21AM

Haha, women wearing make-up which makes them look better = deceiving.

mikemac1 wrote: »

Cruise doesn't write the script, he just says the lines. If he does it well then now you know why he's so highly paid

What has scientology got to do with a film?

The poster I quoted compared PUA with scientology - that reminded me of Tom Cruise's character in Magnolia. I should have been clearer - I was surmising that he might have drawn on some of his scientology indoctrination techniques for his role in Magnolia.

18-11-2014 12:25AM

Foxtrol wrote: »

If men are being so abhorrent to women like it's being claimed, are you saying that these women are stupid enough that they can't see that this guy is manipulating them?

I thought the whole point of learning PUA stuff was so that you can manipulate women into interacting with you to one extent or another, without them knowing you're doing it? Y'know, they're supposed to think you're just a great guy all round and not cop on that you're working to a script or crib sheet of behaviours?

I do think it works better on very young, or very gullible (or drunk) women. I've seen it in action, it was quite unpleasant.

DoYouEvenLift · 18-11-2014 12:27AM

Laura Palmer wrote: »

Haha, women wearing make-up which makes them look better = deceiving.

The poster I quoted compared PUA with scientology - that reminded me of Tom Cruise's character in Magnolia. I should have been clearer - I was surmising that he might have drawn on some of his scientology indoctrination techniques for his role in Magnolia.

You wouldn't agree that this is deceiving?

18-11-2014 12:28AM

DoYouEvenLift wrote: »

Youl wouldn't agree that this is deceiving?

Are you claiming you can't see she's wearing makeup?

Foxtrol · 18-11-2014 12:28AM

wexie wrote: »

No it's not, it's good advertising.

It's no different than buying a large bag of crisps only to come home and realise it's only half full....

Well....kinda....

Anyways, it's not manipulating

And that's exactly what PUA techniques are, it's the guy advertising himself as if he's got an interesting personality, that the woman would be interested in, when in reality he's actually just following something that's pre-prepared.

I don't get how people make such a difference between visually misleading someone and doing it verbally.

DoYouEvenLift · 18-11-2014 12:30AM

Candie wrote: »

Are you claiming you can't see she's wearing makeup?

So should we just assume every woman that wears makeup looks like that in reality?

Foxtrol · 18-11-2014 12:32AM

Candie wrote: »

I thought the whole point of learning PUA stuff was so that you can manipulate women into interacting with you to one extent or another, without them knowing you're doing it? Y'know, they're supposed to think you're just a great guy all round and not cop on that you're working to a script or crib sheet of behaviours?

I do think it works better on very young, or very gullible (or drunk) women. I've seen it in action, it was quite unpleasant.

So you're saying women go out of their way to buy the make-up, fake tan, fake eye-lashes, push-up bras that make it obvious that they're wearing these things?

I don't know much about that sort of thing but from I've gathered from different girlfriends the more expensive the product the more 'real' it looks. That's the aim!

Julien Blanc gets destroyed in CNN interview

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