Bus Éireann return ticket question

horseburger wrote: »

I have indicated that Bus Éireann state clearly that they prioritise the Donegal passengers in so far as they request that people for Cavan and Virginia at Bus Aras take the 109 during busy periods when the 109s leave at the same time.

I have also made reference to the discussion by the two passengers who discussed using the 30 bus to Cavan and about how they had to wait for next bus because the bus for which they were in time, took passengers for Donegal instead of them.

Therefore, the service is not exactly as hellish an experience for Donegal passengers as you are suggesting.

Just answer the above question?

If there are regular problems with loadings on particular Expressway routes then I'd expect Bus Eireann to increase capacity by amending the timetable and perhaps adding an extra departure where necessary.


There is not much else that BE can do in the circumstances quoted above - they can only prioritise it so far.

CVH24 wrote: »

So Horseburger, you did not answer the Question, Lxflyer in the above senario there is no need for an extra departure unless you want to waste money,the bus would be able to cope with the above loading under a particular situation, but someone does not want to admit it.

Bus Éireann accommodate passengers on the various routes by putting on extra buses to meet the numbers waiting at the airport.

They put on extra buses at the airport to accommodate passengers for intermediate towns.

They do this for places like Monaghan Town when the Derry or Letterkenny services are very busy.

You haven't answered my question and have pretty much ignored the various suggestions I have made which might explain why they bring passengers to and from Virginia and Cavan to Dublin city centre and the airport on the 30 bus.

You suggested increasing the ticket fare to Cavan and Virginia by 30%, even though I responded by indicating that the fare to Cavan is not much cheaper than the fare to Donegal even though Cavan is halfway along the route.

How could Bus Éireann implement such a similar ticket price for two towns, located so far apart, that are covered on the same bus service?

What you are asking me would be like if I asked you what you'd do if the bus filled up to near capacity at Bus Aras with passengers for Enniskillen and Derrylin at Bus Aras, and then when it got to the airport there were such an amount of people looking to go to Ballyshannon or Donegal Town that some were left waiting for the next bus.

CVH24 wrote: »

Well its not like your scenario as if the 9 people were not on the the 30 but on 109, one 30 bus would be needed you suggest 2 buses. so thats three 30 buses you need and i only need two, who pays for the third bus to go one way, where is the bus and driver found at short notice.

By mentioning Monaghan you did not compare like with like as Monaghan has no specific service unlike cavan.

Who sets fares to Cavan, the NTA, they also subsidise the route buy providing the bus and subvention, not given to 30. so just charge everyone the fare to Donegal and get off where you like. Say have green tickets for Expressway and white for PSO, 109 is a PSO.

Buy a ticket in the vending machine to Cavan in Busaras and it has on the top line R109, Buy a ticket to Ballyshannon it has R030.

Why you personally want to be on the 30 Route personally? The timings out of Dublin are the same as 109 and out of cavan also the same as 109, if my memory services me right. Personally insead of looking to be insistant that you deserve to on the 30, you may look at how to improve the 109 as it is a real disaster area for all it towns, not least Cavan, at a guess the only time it is on time is leaving Cavan. I sadly have experience of that route too.

I have personally have no objection to passengers for Virginia and Cavan using 30, only if passengers who have no other way to their destination are not inconvenienced, as people getting to where they want to go means happy people and ones that do not are not generally happy bunnies. It must be remembered a cavan passenger has a degree of chose (not much but a bally shannon passenger has no chose) We all like chose!

If it is a situation that the 30 fills at the airport i would guess that longer passengers are given priority first (ie beyond Cavan) as virginia and cavan passenger can be accommodated on the 109A and a 109 from kells, but that is not ideal. But is a better option than a 2 hour delay.

I mentioned Monaghan as an example where they put on an extra bus service at the airport when needed. In your previous message you questioned the previous poster who stated that Bus Éireann puts on extra buses whenever necessary.

You stated "Lxflyer in the above senario there is no need for an extra departure unless you want to waste money", even though you describe a scenario where the 30 bus is so full it can't take all those waiting at the airport for it.

In my reply I gave the example of the extra bus to Monaghan from the airport which filled to capacity of people for Monaghan and people for Letterkenny.

If the bus filled it was hardly a waste of money for the bus company to make that extra service available

This bus that I took recently, left a few minutes after the Derry bus which picked up at the airport and filled with passengers for Derry only.

After the extra bus to Monaghan filled and left the airpoprt, the Letterkenny bus picked up at the airport and both were heading for Monaghan Town so that the people on the extra bus could transfer to the 32 going to Letterkenny.

The timings are not the same between the 30 and 109 services to Virginia and Cavan.

Are you suggesting that everyone who takes the 30 bus gets charged the same ticket fare?

I'm guessing you use that bus to go to and from Donegal. Someone who uses that bus for Cavan could equally argue that perhaps passengers for Donegal should be charged more, since Cavan bus users get off the 30 bus halfway along the route and what Cavan passengers are paying isn't much cheaper than the fare to Donegal.

I don't get what point you are making regarding the ticket you buy saying 109 or 30,

By that logic, you could only go to a specific town on only one of two buses that serve that town, anyone for Monaghan could only use one or the other of the two services that cover Monaghan, the 32 and 33, but not both.

I'm beginning to think that you are deliberately not reading in my replies to you, where I have already emphasised - on a number of occasions - that Bus Éireann has stated clearly that they prioritise Donegal passengers on the 30 route at times when it is very busy, when there is a 109 service to Cavan at the same time.

So it is clear that they accommodate passengers for Donegal.

You don't mind inconveniencing passengers for Cavan by suggesting to them to not take the 30 bus but to then, from the airport - when there are other passengers waiting to get the bus going further than Cavan - take the 109A to Kells and wait an hour in Kells for the next 109, which is more inconvenient than if someone for Donegal had to wait for two hours at the airport because the 109A takes 1 hour 40 minutes to get to Kells from the airport.

Once getting off the 109A in Kells, passengers for Cavan would have to wait for most of the next hour for the 109 to arrive in Kells on the way to Cavan. Then if that bus is delayed coming from Dublin, as it likely will be during the day, their time making the connection in Kells for the 109, would be the best part of three hours, after they leave the airport.

With regard to your comment to the other poster where you stated "the bus would be able to cope with the above loading under a particular situation, but someone does not want to admit it", do you really think increasing the fare from Bus Aras to Cavan on the 30 bus, to discourage them using that bus service, is a suitable suggestion to try and encourage them to just take the 109 from Bus Aras?

I don't think it is a solution. It would just result in the possibility of the 109 buses to Cavan filling quicker and being unable to accommodate everyone wishing to use that service at any given time. They'd then have to wait at Bus Aras for the next Cavan bus an hour later.

Sorry as regards train it 1600 and 1625 not 1700 and 1725 my apologies!

Anyway, slightly off topic

I think i'll just listen to some Big Youth and U Roy!:)

CVH24 wrote: »

Any mention of nta, if capacity is an issue I do not believe route 30 needs the support of the lovely passengers of county cavan.
I asked you to compare like with like, a route where expressway and commuter are side by side but again you can not.
Any comment on pricing lead demand?
Of course not, that would be answering a question.
Sure have a look over on ways to to improve the 109, but of course your answer is to though more resources at things and maintain the sweet life in cavan. Never mind logic. I could not be bothered continuing with a troll.
Because you employ no logic and just think how great the passenger's of cavan are to the passengers who are unlucky enough to have pass through cavan. Sure it's thanks to the passengers of cavan they even have a bus service!!!! Have a happy life!!!

The fact that Cavan is a drop off and pick up point in both directions on the 30 bus indicates that Bus Éireann feels that it is worthwhile serving there.

You started by arguing that people for Cavan were taking up space that you feel should be reserved for people going further.

You are contradicting yourself now by suggesting that the 30 service need not take people from Bus Aras to Cavan.

Obviously those people from Virginia and Cavan are using the 30 service. If there were so many people from further on using it every day, they would restrict the number of drop off and pick up point stops at Virginia and Cavan throughout the course of its daily services.

Bus Éireann does not serve intermediate towns just for the fun of it. There are towns and villages up and down the country with much less regular services, and some with no bus services at all, so obviously Bus Éireann runs its daily services they way that they do, for a reason.

You accused me of suggesting throwing resources at things and wasting money. That is bull****. I gave two examples of extra buses being used at the airport because of the high numbers of passengers there - one to Monaghan - and one to Newry and in both cases the buses filled to capacity.

What then do you suggest making available for the bus users at Bus Aras for Cavan that you don't want using the 30 bus, considering that if they couldn't use the 30, that would result in the 109s filling quicker from Bus Aras with people left waiting in Dublin for the next bus.

This would then also result in people at the other 109 bus stops on the route from Dublin to Cavan, being less likely to get their usual buses.

You didn't answer that point. You haven't suggested any alternative service for them.

As I said before, you don't mind inconveniencing passengers going to and from Dublin, from intermediate towns that don't concern you, which is typical. Your suggestion to increase the Cavan fare to discourage them from using the service from Bus Aras is an indication of your attitude.

You have ignored the point I made that if passengers at the airport for Cavan do not get the 30 bus and instead take the 109A to Kells, that their journey is a lot longer than the 2 hours you suggested.

You also have ignored the point I made about the option of buying a 10 journey ticket to Dublin from Cavan on the 30 bus. They wouldn't make this option available on that 30 bus service if people from there were not using the service so often.