08 Kia Ceed Estate Fuel Economy

15-11-2014 05:18PM #1

Herself Bought it yesterday, it's o.k, not really my cup of tea. Suspension is too firm for my liking but overly common these days. Handling is good but still too firm for Irish roads.

On the same 50 mile trip as I bring the Prius on occasion I averaged 41.8 mpg V 64 mpg in the Prius, I was expecting at least 50 mpg from a 1.6 Diesel.

I would expect a modern 1.4 Turbo petrol these days to average at least 40-45 mpg.

I must say though I hate manual diesels, I hate that narrow torque band, Twin clutch or CVT are miles better with diesels.

On the plus, it's very well built, and it's chain cam. AFAIK no DMF either.

corkgsxr · 15-11-2014 06:57PM

Kia a renown for being very far out with mpg claims

15-11-2014 07:16PM

But I'd at least expect 50 mpg on the same run in a 1.6 Diesel, 41.8 is what I would expect today in a petrol of similar power and in a similar size car.

While The low down shove is more than the MK II prius, the prius is much smoother, similar power and more interior room and it's an automatic, achieves 64 mpg on the same route that's a shocking difference.

Jesus. · 15-11-2014 07:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I must say though I hate manual diesels, I hate that narrow torque band.

As petrol-head's say when people are bemoaning a lack of Torque in petrols:

It's irrelevant if you know how to use a gearbox

visual · 15-11-2014 07:34PM

Smaller engine isn't always better

1.9 or 2.0L would easily active the mpg as it isn't working as hard to cruise along

cyborg · 15-11-2014 07:48PM

The trip computer is inaccurate , it will do 50+mpg no problem. brim a tank and recalculate.

15-11-2014 09:49PM

visual wrote: »

Smaller engine isn't always better

1.9 or 2.0L would easily active the mpg as it isn't working as hard to cruise along

My sisters 1.6 90 HP Diesel 308 averages 58 mpg.

The Kia has 115 HP and has plenty of power to move it without struggling.

15-11-2014 09:51PM

cyborg wrote: »

The trip computer is inaccurate , it will do 50+mpg no problem. brim a tank and recalculate.

I'll certainly do that.

15-11-2014 09:56PM

Jesus. wrote: »

As petrol-head's say when people are bemoaning a lack of Torque in petrols:

It's irrelevant if you know how to use a gearbox

I well know how to use a gear box, thing is though in the petrol you can hold on to the gears much longer if you want while in the diesel you have to change much more and earlier.

As I say cvt or dsg is far better with diesels.

Bpmull · 15-11-2014 11:56PM

Could the car just need a service. If the air or fuel filter were very dirty that could lead to a significant enough drop in mpg. I assume you've checked the obvious stuff like tyre pressure although that shouldn't effect it too much unless there was 20 psi or something like that in them.

41mpg seems very low although Korean Diesel engines are normally pigs on diesel although I thought that the 1.6 in the ceeds was suppose to be good enough.

MuppetCheck · 16-11-2014 12:06AM

What's the route?

Henry Ford III · 16-11-2014 12:24AM

I get almost 60mpg average on a similar car. 1.6 115bhp diesel. Perhaps Kia/Hyundai have poor economy, or maybe the driver has a point to prove?

16-11-2014 01:11AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I get almost 60mpg average on a similar car. 1.6 115bhp diesel. Perhaps Kia/Hyundai have poor economy, or maybe the driver has a point to prove?

yeah I had a feeling someone would throw that at me " a point to prove"

No I have no point to prove because I said my sisters 308 90 HP HDI averages 58 mpg.

I was comparing the exact same route I sometimes take the Prius.

Tullow - Shillelagh-Tinahely-Knockanana-Rathangan-Baltinglass and back.

Not driven like a grandpa either in the Ceed or Prius.

I like this route because it's nice and it's fun to drive.

visual · 16-11-2014 01:12AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

My sisters 1.6 90 HP Diesel 308 averages 58 mpg.

The Kia has 115 HP and has plenty of power to move it without struggling.

You missed the point plus anytime I see a Kia in overtaking lane it's holding up traffic

Henry Ford III · 16-11-2014 01:23AM

Deleted User wrote: »

yeah I had a feeling someone would throw that at me " a point to prove"

No I have no point to prove because I said my sisters 308 90 HP HDI averages 58 mpg.

I was comparing the exact same route I sometimes take the Prius.

Tullow - Shillelagh-Tinahely-Knockanana-Rathangan-Baltinglass and back.

Not driven like a grandpa either in the Ceed or Prius.

I like this route because it's nice and it's fun to drive.

Maybe, as I already suggested, The Kia/Hyundai simply have a thirsty engine then?

16-11-2014 01:28AM

Bpmull wrote: »

Could the car just need a service. If the air or fuel filter were very dirty that could lead to a significant enough drop in mpg. I assume you've checked the obvious stuff like tyre pressure although that shouldn't effect it too much unless there was 20 psi or something like that in them.

41mpg seems very low although Korean Diesel engines are normally pigs on diesel although I thought that the 1.6 in the ceeds was suppose to be good enough.

Doesn't need a service, everything checked the "only" thing I can think of and this is a long shot is the tyres, they're Motrio Impulsion+ never heard of them.

16-11-2014 01:30AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Maybe, as I already suggested, The Kia/Hyundai simply have a thirsty engine then?

Must be thirsty, even though it's a German designed engine. Still would at least expect 50 mpg on that run.

Henry Ford III · 16-11-2014 01:35AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Must be thirsty, even though it's a German designed engine. Still would at least expect 50 mpg on that run.

I'd expect much nearer 60mpg for a decent car/driver combo. That and a 600 mile range.

16-11-2014 01:44AM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I'd expect much nearer 60mpg for a decent car/driver combo. That and a 600 mile range.

I was expecting at least something like the 308 HDI 90 HP that my sister has.

Even though it's an estate it shouldn't make that much of a difference.

Cheensbo · 16-11-2014 03:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I was comparing the exact same route I sometimes take the Prius.

Tullow - Shillelagh-Tinahely-Knockanana-Rathangan-Baltinglass and back.

Not driven like a grandpa either in the Ceed or Prius.

I like this route because it's nice and it's fun to drive.

That's a very twisty route in fairness, not open road by any stretch, I'd be very happy with 41.8 on that man.. take it for a cruise on the m9 and see how you do..

16-11-2014 03:32AM

I should still get a good 50 mpg on that route in the 1.6 compared to 64 mph in the Prius.

Crumbs868 · 16-11-2014 09:16AM

As has been mentioned kia is not the most efficient diesel engine out there and their mpg claims were never attainable

They have lost a large law suit in the states over it

https://kiampginfo.com

_Brian · 16-11-2014 09:29AM

Our friends recently sold ther Kia same as OP bought as it's fuel economy was poor.
About town 30-35 mpg is the order of the day.

16-11-2014 11:14AM

Crumbs868 wrote: »

As has been mentioned kia is not the most efficient diesel engine out there and their mph claims were never attainable

They have lost a large law suit in the states over it

https://kiampginfo.com

That's interesting. You wouldn't hear of this in the E.U.

Why do we not take on the car companies ?

Why did people in the E.U not sue over the multitronic and dsg failures ?

Not to forget BMW's timing chain issue !

Seems like we get a very poor deal int he E.U and tolerate it willingly.

bmwguy · 16-11-2014 11:26AM

I got 39mpg from Dublin to Cavan on the motorway section yesterday. The car is a 2.5 automatic petrol 5 series BMW, 10 years old. After a bit of twisty stuff that dropped to 36mpg, which means on the twisty roads I was probably getting approx 33mpg (journey was roughly 50% motorway/50% twisty back roads). 2 large men on board with the boot full. Similar enough journey to yours.If your diesel Kia only gets 8mpg more than my guzzler then something is wrong with the world (or your car). Your car would be marketed as a fuel efficient diesel car, my car would never make any claims to be fuel efficient, unlike the newer diesel 5 series which claims 60mpg. 8, or even 10 mpg between the 2 would save me less than a tenner a week. That said, when I go back to commuting on Monday in stop/start stuff I won't get anywhere near those figures (low to mid 20s). Might get the push bike back out.

16-11-2014 11:45AM

Cheensbo wrote: »

That's a very twisty route in fairness, not open road by any stretch, I'd be very happy with 41.8 on that man.. take it for a cruise on the m9 and see how you do..

Ah no, If I can get 64 mpg on that route in the Prius I'd expect at least 50 mpg in the diesel.

But When I start back working in Dublin again I might take it for a week and brim it and see what I get from my own calculations.

On that Dublin Route I can get 60 mpg in the Prius going by the speed limits and a little more sometimes so again, I'd expect at least 50 mpg in a 1.6 Diesel.

16-11-2014 11:47AM

_Brian wrote: »

Our friends recently sold ther Kia same as OP bought as it's fuel economy was poor.
About town 30-35 mpg is the order of the day.

I'm not sure if in heavy traffic I would expect more in town if it was mainly town driving ?

I wouldn't have a diesel for mainly town driving anyway.

16-11-2014 11:55AM

bmwguy wrote: »

I got 39mpg from Dublin to Cavan on the motorway section yesterday. The car is a 2.5 automatic petrol 5 series BMW, 10 years old. After a bit of twisty stuff that dropped to 36mpg, which means on the twisty roads I was probably getting approx 33mpg (journey was roughly 50% motorway/50% twisty back roads). 2 large men on board with the boot full. Similar enough journey to yours.If your diesel Kia only gets 8mpg more than my guzzler then something is wrong with the world (or your car). Your car would be marketed as a fuel efficient diesel car, my car would never make any claims to be fuel efficient, unlike the newer diesel 5 series which claims 60mpg. 8, or even 10 mpg between the 2 would save me less than a tenner a week. That said, when I go back to commuting on Monday in stop/start stuff I won't get anywhere near those figures (low to mid 20s). Might get the push bike back out.

I'm not a fan of trip readings and usually go by the brim calculation or the average computer reading after a full tank, and the Prius computer is pretty accurate.

However, it's interesting to compare the same route with two different cars.

39 mpg is good to get out of a big car on a run, 20 is scary lol perhaps an LPG conversion ?

I will investigate further, but the big test will be to see what it averages per tank, I just don't know why the same trip could see about 23 mpg of a difference, that's shocking really.

16-11-2014 12:16PM

bmwguy wrote: »

That said, when I go back to commuting on Monday in stop/start stuff I won't get anywhere near those figures (low to mid 20s). Might get the push bike back out.

You can always convert your bike to electric, and it's tonnes of fun, you might find it more fun than driving !

Jesus. · 16-11-2014 03:02PM

We've a 1.5 diesel Rio, Mad Lad, and it returns 50-odd mixed.

There's something wrong in your situation alright

Jesus. · 16-11-2014 03:03PM

Cheensbo wrote: »

That's a very twisty route in fairness, not open road by any stretch, I'd be very happy with 41.8 on that man..

Not in a modern 1.6 diesel mate. That's a very poor return.

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