Dun Laoghaire's "Walking Dead"

ElizaT33 · 11-11-2014 11:25PM

Methadone is just a reprieve of withdrawal symptoms - the addicts are still additcts. When you see them in Dublin City Centre coming/going to the Centres its scary. Why do they get free transport, I want to know? After they've literally begged, borrowed and stealed all through their addiction?? No way would I want to see this every day - they should have to travel in secluded transport to somewhere out in the Docks and leave hard working taxpayers alone to not feel threatened by syringes, attacks, begging etc. I have sympathy - but seriously, there's no helping some people! Maybe by secluding them, it would help?

Ranchu · 11-11-2014 11:32PM

masculinist wrote: »

I always thought Bray was a little bit dodgy. Dun Laoghaire too ?

Dun Laoghaire isn't dodgy but there is a high proportion of very well off people in and around the surrounding areas and the sight of a junkie scares the living ****e out of them.

Bray isn't as bad as people from there like to think it is either. I worked in both of these areas for a good while and while I'm not saying they don't have problems the problems seem to get blown out of proportion the further down the dart line you travel.

One eyed Jack · 11-11-2014 11:32PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

What is it about a methadone clinic or homeless hostel that you think is so sinister? Do you think those who use these services are plotting together how they're going to destroy an area?

There's a methadone clinic in my area but you wouldn't know it's there. Why? Because the majority of people who use it keep to themselves and are not out to cause grief.

Where are you getting the idea that I would object to them because I think there's anything sinister about them? I'm very familiar with how methadone clinics and homeless hostels work, and I'm familiar with the work they do, and the people they work with.

I agree with you that the vast majority of these people are generally harmless to the general public, and that there are only a small minority that engage in antisocial behaviour.

That small minority is enough for me to state that it is for that very reason that I wouldn't want a methadone clinic or a homeless hostel in my back yard. That's why I can as I said understand where both sides are coming from, but I would support the people that object to methadone clinics and homeless hostels in their neighbourhood.

Richard Hillman · 11-11-2014 11:49PM

They are not from Dun Laoghaire, they are from areas where they need to get a bus to Dun Laoghaire. They all congregate in the town for the day and then go home after business hours.

Dun Laoghaire should be an affluent town but is run down by some of the dregs that live in the surrounding areas. Its a **** state of affairs.

end of the road · 12-11-2014 12:12AM

ElizaT33 wrote: »

Why do they get free transport, I want to know? After they've literally begged, borrowed and stealed all through their addiction??

because it means less money for them to rob beg borrow and steal. would you rather them to do it more?

ElizaT33 wrote: »

No way would I want to see this every day - they should have to travel in secluded transport to somewhere out in the Docks and leave hard working taxpayers alone

wheres the money coming from for "secluded transport" and wheres the money coming for to move everything to the docks? i'm sick to my backside of this rabel rabel ranting about "hard working tax payers" . the world isn't a nice place, and we will have to get over it.

ElizaT33 wrote: »

Maybe by secluding them, it would help?

well the fact secluding them doesn't happen, suggests its not worth the bother.

expectationlost · 12-11-2014 12:14AM

isn't dumdrum shopping centre the biggest prob for dun laoghaire shops

hatrickpatrick · 12-11-2014 12:22AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire should be an affluent town but is run down by some of the dregs that live in the surrounding areas. Its a **** state of affairs.

You'd better not be defining Sandycove and Glasthule as a "dreg", you dirty fecker

masculinist · 12-11-2014 12:22AM

The saddest thing about all of this is. You just know that most of the Junkies will be dead in 5/10 years or so. T

The fact that their numbers overall either increase or stay still means that the wasted lives are continuously being resupplied into the system, a damning indictment of the way this country has been run for years.

RedemptionZ · 12-11-2014 01:39AM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

DL a "kip", pull the other one.

It's far from a kip in my opinion, pier is lovely. But it's fairly run down. That shopping centre with the super value in it is extremely depressing. I'm sure the junkies have played their part in deterring business in the area.

And that new library is an eye sore.

Nabber · 12-11-2014 02:01AM

Put the clinic in with the Garda station.

Cantremember · 12-11-2014 02:05AM

Why do they need to travel to a clinic? Implies they have a home. Post them their dose every week or whenever they'd get it in the clinic. Saves moving them saves paying medical people in a clinic.

end of the road · 12-11-2014 03:26AM

Cantremember wrote: »

Why do they need to travel to a clinic? Implies they have a home. Post them their dose every week or whenever they'd get it in the clinic. Saves moving them saves paying medical people in a clinic.

yeah, have people taking a drug like this unsupervized by medical professionals just so it "saves paying medical people in a clinic" . jog on

colossus-x · 12-11-2014 04:48AM

There are enough suitably dingy places in Dublin to put such a center rather than putting it in the rather nice Dun Longhair. Just put it somewhere where those folk would fit in. Shouldn't be to hard to find somewhere more suitable. Anyone would think it was someones master plan to spred scuzz all over Dublin as far and wide as possible.

suicide_circus · 12-11-2014 05:22AM

The biggest deterrent to people visiting and shopping in DL are the policies of DLCOCO.

Soft Falling Rain · 12-11-2014 07:39AM

Cantremember wrote: »

Why do they need to travel to a clinic? Implies they have a home. Post them their dose every week or whenever they'd get it in the clinic. Saves moving them saves paying medical people in a clinic.

Because they can't take it unsupervised, nor can any methadone leave the clinic.

The_Captain · 12-11-2014 11:43AM

Dun Laoghaire's a kip, perfect place for a methadone clinic.
People think it's posh or whatever because it's in South County Dublin on the DART line, but it's as bad as Shankhill or Bray

colossus-x · 12-11-2014 01:01PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire's a kip, perfect place for a methadone clinic.
People think it's posh or whatever because it's in South County Dublin on the DART line, but it's as bad as Shankhill or Bray

There are clearly undesirables to be seen around Dun Laoghair but that does not make the place overall a kip - that's a gross exaggeration. No one thinks it's posh although there are some clearly well healed neighborhoods nearby.

Soft Falling Rain · 12-11-2014 01:33PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire's a kip, perfect place for a methadone clinic.
People think it's posh or whatever because it's in South County Dublin on the DART line, but it's as bad as Shankhill or Bray

It's not a kip, the point I was just making is that it's no different from any other area. There are plenty of suburban areas with methadone clinics, and DL shouldn't get dispensation from this just because they're south of the Liffey.

Ranchu · 12-11-2014 02:50PM

colossus-x wrote: »

There are clearly undesirables to be seen around Dun Laoghair but that does not make the place overall a kip - that's a gross exaggeration. No one thinks it's posh although there are some clearly well healed neighborhoods nearby.

It's extremely posh. Look at the house prices.

Sir Gallagher · 12-11-2014 04:13PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire's a kip, perfect place for a methadone clinic.
People think it's posh or whatever because it's in South County Dublin on the DART line, but it's as bad as Shankhill or Bray

You clearly dont know what a kip is. Big deal it has a few junkies and a ****e shopping centre. People need to grow a thicker skin and/or a pair of bollocks.

uch · 12-11-2014 05:58PM

Six pages and Nobody has blamed Gerry Adams yet,,, whats happening to AH,, tut tut

Red Pepper · 12-11-2014 06:18PM

Damn it, I have a few days booked in a Dun Laoire hotel coming up soon. I thought I was being smart avoiding the city centre. Is there anywhere in Dublin that is nice? I suppose those hotels around Ballsbridge/Lansdowne are in a nice area.

sarkakos · 12-11-2014 06:19PM

how did they all start??

Red Pepper · 12-11-2014 06:28PM

sarkakos wrote: »

how did they all start??

Peer pressure I imagine.

Cantremember · 12-11-2014 09:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, have people taking a drug like this unsupervized by medical professionals just so it "saves paying medical people in a clinic" . jog on

Dream on mate.

Cantremember · 12-11-2014 09:55PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

Because they can't take it unsupervised, nor can any methadone leave the clinic.

Take a deep breath. Ready? Change the rules. Let them self medicate. If they can't manage that they should be in hospital. Change the rules. Let it leave. It's actually very simple if you realise that the rules have created a nightmare.

end of the road · 12-11-2014 10:03PM

Cantremember wrote: »

Change the rules.

no we won't change the rules. the rules are there for a reason. the professionals who know what they are doing and talking about have decided that this medication needs to be taken supervized in a place of safety with relevant qualified professionals to ensure safe dispensation and intake of this medication, for the safest possible experience.

Cantremember wrote: »

Let them self medicate.

no we won't. see above. it can't be done

Cantremember wrote: »

If they can't manage that they should be in hospital.

no they shouldn't. they should be and have to be and are medicated in a proper place with supervision by qualified professionals.

Cantremember wrote: »

Change the rules.

again. no we won't change the rules. its the way it is for a reason and thats the end of it. get over it

Cantremember wrote: »

Let it leave. It's actually very simple if you realise that the rules have created a nightmare.

no it isn't very simple at all. the relevant qualified professionals know what they are talking about and what they are doing. and have decided this is the best way and its not going to change.

hatrickpatrick · 13-11-2014 01:50PM

In all honesty while this debate goes around in circles, nobody seems to be noting the idea that having a decent Garda presence around the town would prevent any trouble from users.
Not in any way blaming the Gardai by the way, more the government policies which keep so many of them behind desks as opposed to on patrol.

uch · 13-11-2014 05:28PM

A bigger Garda Presence can't do anything about Drug addicts sitting on the Church Wall not breaking any laws though, which is what most of them do, it's just that people seem to think it's unsightly IMO.

blacklilly · 13-11-2014 06:11PM

The_Captain wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire's a kip, perfect place for a methadone clinic.
People think it's posh or whatever because it's in South County Dublin on the DART line, but it's as bad as Shankhill or Bray

I reside in Dun Loaghiare and although the main street could do with a serious injection of investment, it's a perfectly pleasant place to live. Yes there are drug addicts but point me to a town that doesn't have any.

The methadone clinics are not Dun Laoghaires biggest failings but I can understand why some locals are not happy with it.

I've often heard it said that there's no middle group in Dun Loaghaire, you're either poor or very rich. I'm very rich, so I concur with this.

Dun Laoghaire's "Walking Dead"

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