Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - See Mod Warning in OP, 09/11

The Moldy Gowl · 11-11-2014 03:30PM

If we can combine Jones/Smalling/Evans into one, build him with adamantium, we would be sorted. We have the technology.

They all have the abilty to be very very good but keep getting sent off or injured. Have they ever played more than 5 games in a row?

11-11-2014 03:49PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

In fairness one took over the reigning champions who had just won the league at a canter. A squad that had dominated the premiership pretty much since its inception ,and a squad that took twice as much money to put together.

Ah the money thing again. I would show you how VERY wrong you are but don't really have the time on my phone to do so. Maybe after work if I'm bored

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 06:01PM

Ciaran_Corbett wrote: »

See this stat being banded around Twitter today

"David Moyes' win rate at Manchester United: 52.94%

Brendan Rodgers' win rate at Liverpool: 52.63% "

Liverpool the season before Rodgers took over: 8th place, 52 points.
And the season before that: 6th place, 58 points.

Man Utd the season before Moyes took over: 1st place, 89 points.
And the season before that: 2nd place only on goal difference, 89 points.

Also Rogers draw percentage is 24.13% whereas Moyes was 17.65%.

Rogers loss percentage is 23% whereas Moyes was 32.35%.

Rogers points per game is 1.83 while Moyes was 1.68 - a difference of 5.7 points over a season.

EDIT: I was using league only where Rogers win rate is 52.87% and Moyes was bang on 50%. The comparison quoted just have been including FA cup, CL, Europa League and Carling Cup I am assuming.

The Moldy Gowl · 11-11-2014 06:12PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Liverpool the season before Rodgers took over: 8th place, 52 points.
And the season before that: 6th place, 58 points.

Man Utd the season before Moyes took over: 1st place, 89 points.
And the season before that: 2nd place only on goal difference, 89 points.

Also Rogers draw percentage is 24.13% whereas Moyes was 17.65%.

Rogers loss percentage is 23% whereas Moyes was 32.35%.

Rogers points per game is 1.83 while Moyes was 1.68 - a difference of 5.7 points over a season.

EDIT: I was using league only where Rogers win rate is 52.87% and Moyes was bang on 50%.

Not sure if im over tired and my head isnt working, If he had turned some of them loses into draws and some of those draws into wins, he would still be in the job and be called a relative success. Just a bit more luck.

There is a fine line between success and failure, or from 3rd to 7th. I trust LVG to do a better job though, so kinda glad he wasnt very lucky.

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 06:24PM

Liam O wrote: »

Ah the money thing again. I would show you how VERY wrong you are but don't really have the time on my phone to do so. Maybe after work if I'm bored

Liverpool net spend, June 2012 - present... 123mn pounds, average of 40.75 per season or 20.6 per season.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2012
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2013
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2014

Man Utd net spend, June 2013 - May 2014... 59 million pounds, or 29.5mn per window.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985/saison_id/2013

That's before going into the fact that our wage bill surely dwarfs theirs.

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 06:30PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Not sure if im over tired and my head isnt working, If he had turned some of them loses into draws and some of those draws into wins, he would still be in the job and be called a relative success. Just a bit more luck.

There is a fine line between success and failure, or from 3rd to 7th. I trust LVG to do a better job though, so kinda glad he wasnt very lucky.

Not trying to be rude here bit isn't that a given? As in if you win more games you get more points. The problem is he didn't, and I really do t put a much of that at all down to luck. We weren't particularly badly hit by injuries, and dropped an awful lot of points when all we had to do was not concede in the end - it was the approach to single goal leads in the last 20 minutes that cost us there. Liverpool in 2012/13 were far more unlucky hitting the post over and over, and dominating games where for one reason or another they were just unable to come away with the win.

Also Chelsea finished 3rd last season, and by the time Moyes was sacked (4 games to go) they were on 75 points whereas we were on 57... that's really not that fine a line.

Gotta agree on Louis though!

The Moldy Gowl · 11-11-2014 07:17PM

We'll yeah. Obviously, I'm just saying if luck had been on his side in a couple of games. He was ****e in a load others.

Ah jaysus, of course we spend more than Liverpool. I would be worried if we didn't

Your Airbag · 11-11-2014 07:39PM

Yikes, anyone watchng Revista De La Liga here? Some bombshells getting dropped.

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 07:42PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Yikes, anyone watchng Revista De La Liga here? Some bombshells getting dropped.

Did Ramón Calderón just say he decided to buy Ronaldo after seeing him in "the final against Milan with Kaka in the other team" ???

When the f*** did that happen? :pac:

Unearthly · 11-11-2014 07:44PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Yikes, anyone watchng Revista De La Liga here? Some bombshells getting dropped.

explain further?

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 07:54PM

Unearthly wrote: »

explain further?

I only turned in when I saw that post, so missed it but Ramón Calderón is on so could be some interesting stuff from him. He seems a bit of an eejit though, and frankly divorced from reality - got asked why the La Liga TV money is so unequally divided (see below) and his answer was basically it's not fair that the Premiership gets more money than La Liga because La Liga has the two best players in the world.

Of course, he seems to completely fail to notice that the unequal TV deal is a huge part of why they get less money - it's just not competitive in comparison, it's fairly standard for either of those to teams to walk away with 100 points a year. So while they have money to sign off on a 100mn player a year plus more, half the league is likely in a far poorer financial position than say Burnley. But at the same time he is bragging about being the guy who signed off on that TV deal.

In the Premiership last year, Liverpool got the most at 74.1mn, followed by 71.9 for us, Chelsea and City, 71.1 for Spurs... and the bottom 5 all got 60.8mn. Meanwhile in Spain, Barca and Madrid got 118.6mn each, with Valencia second on 37.6,then Atlético on 32.9 then Sevilla on 25mn... The bottom 5 all got 14.1mn. Madrid and and Barca get over half between the two of them.

11-11-2014 08:11PM

Billy86 wrote: »

Liverpool net spend, June 2012 - present... 123mn pounds, average of 40.75 per season or 20.6 per season.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2012
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2013
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-liverpool/transfers/verein/31/saison_id/2014

Man Utd net spend, June 2013 - May 2014... 59 million pounds, or 29.5mn per window.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/manchester-united/transfers/verein/985/saison_id/2013

That's before going into the fact that our wage bill surely dwarfs theirs.

How is that relative to what Moyes inherited? Very random figures.

Your Airbag · 11-11-2014 08:13PM

Calderón said Fergie is obsessed with Madrid. Doesn't like them one bit, so much so that he insisted that if Ronaldo was going it was not to Madrid.

He claims UTD offered CR7 to Barcelona before Madrid such was Fergies distain.

Imagine that, both Messi and CR7 in the same team. It was a possibility at one time if Calderón is to be believed.

Less sensationally he claims Ronaldo called him and said Fergie is like a father figure to me so I'm staying another year but will come to Madrid next year.

Your Airbag · 11-11-2014 08:17PM

Billy86 wrote: »

I only turned in when I saw that post, so missed it but Ramón Calderón is on so could be some interesting stuff from him. He seems a bit of an eejit though, and frankly divorced from reality - got asked why the La Liga TV money is so unequally divided (see below) and his answer was basically it's not fair that the Premiership gets more money than La Liga because La Liga has the two best players in the world.

Of course, he seems to completely fail to notice that the unequal TV deal is a huge part of why they get less money - it's just not competitive in comparison, it's fairly standard for either of those to teams to walk away with 100 points a year. So while they have money to sign off on a 100mn player a year plus more, half the league is likely in a far poorer financial position than say Burnley. But at the same time he is bragging about being the guy who signed off on that TV deal.

In the Premiership last year, Liverpool got the most at 74.1mn, followed by 71.9 for us, Chelsea and City, 71.1 for Spurs... and the bottom 5 all got 60.8mn. Meanwhile in Spain, Barca and Madrid got 118.6mn each, with Valencia second on 37.6,then Atlético on 32.9 then Sevilla on 25mn... The bottom 5 all got 14.1mn. Madrid and and Barca get over half between the two of them.

Yes, as was illustrated with graphics on the show he was on.

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 08:21PM

Liam O wrote: »

How is that relative to what Moyes inherited? Very random figures.

Misread the post, but he did take over a side that had no major losses and finished with 89 points two years running, winning the title once and closing out only on goal difference the other, whereas Rodgers took over a team that has finished 8th with 52 points the year before, and 6th with 58 the year before that.

Basically, Rodgers has done a far better job than Moyes did, and has both a better win percentage and draw percentage with Liverpool than Moyes did with us in the league.

Billy86 · 11-11-2014 08:26PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Calderón said Fergie is obsessed with Madrid. Doesn't like them one bit, so much so that he insisted that if Ronaldo was going it was not to Madrid.

He claims UTD offered CR7 to Barcelona before Madrid such was Fergies distain.

Imagine that, both Messi and CR7 in the same team. It was a possibility at one time if Calderón is to be believed.

Less sensationally he claims Ronaldo called him and said Fergie is like a father figure to me so I'm staying another year but will come to Madrid next year.

Actually one long forgotten bit of trivia is that when Barcelona signed Quaresma back in 2003, they were widely reported to have had a bit of a dilemma between going for him or Ronaldo, but chose the older player because he was considerably further along in his development at the time. As a result we got Ronaldo, but if they went the other way we most likely wouldn't have had much chance in getting him.

And yeah, they showed the graphic right before he gave the answer, delusional isn't even the word on his part. I think all these presidential campaigns may have just made sorting inane bullsh*t feel natural to him.

UnitedIrishman · 11-11-2014 10:44PM

Looks like Falcao, Raf and others won't be starting against Arsenal due to injury.

Asked if any of the quartet might return, Van Gaal said: “No, I don’t think so because now some of them have already not played for five, six, seven weeks. They could sit on the bench because they can play 20 minutes but I cannot put a lot of players who are not 100% fit on the bench. You saw what happened with [Paddy] McNair [getting cramp against Crystal Palace] because the rhythm of the game is very high in the Premier League.”

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/11/manchester-united-radamel-falcao-louis-van-gaal?CMP=twt_gu

Mantis Toboggan · 11-11-2014 10:52PM

Hae the permanent deal for falcao been done already?

The Moldy Gowl · 11-11-2014 11:08PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Hae the permanent deal for falcao been done already?

Yes. Come back to us in 15 games and then cast judgement on his time here.
You did this the other day.

MagicMarker · 11-11-2014 11:10PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Yes

I don't think it has, just a fee was agreed.

kryogen · 11-11-2014 11:10PM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Hae the permanent deal for falcao been done already?

The speculation has been that the fee and terms have been agreed, but the transfer definitely hasn't been done.

The Moldy Gowl · 11-11-2014 11:10PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

I don't think it has, just a fee was agreed.

Yeah sorry, it's been done in principal, just not triggered

Redo91 · 11-11-2014 11:23PM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Looks like Falcao, Raf and others won't be starting against Arsenal due to injury.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/11/manchester-united-radamel-falcao-louis-van-gaal?CMP=twt_gu

Article is from Jamie Jackson so no need to worry. The man is an idiot. Considering it is now an international break how could he have gotten such a quote from Van Gaal? Rafael said on his instagram today that he is back in training. How could he not be fit for the Arsenal game? Also Falcao is supposedly back in training and expected to be available. Not sure about the rest.

UnitedIrishman · 11-11-2014 11:47PM

Redo91 wrote: »

Article is from Jamie Jackson so no need to worry. The man is an idiot. Considering it is now an international break how could he have gotten such a quote from Van Gaal? Rafael said on his instagram today that he is back in training. How could he not be fit for the Arsenal game? Also Falcao is supposedly back in training and expected to be available. Not sure about the rest.

Had quotes from De Gea aswell, think it could be from the United website. Think the quote from LVG is him saying that players can't just be thrown back in to start without mins under their belt after a decent spell out although I can't see any other option but to put Raf back in at RB for Arsenal.

Edit: don't see anything on the United site so don't know where he got the quotes from but regardless of previous articles, he's obviously got the quotes from LVG somewhere.

Vic Vinegar · 12-11-2014 12:16AM

Rafael has only been out 2 or 3 weeks, he'll be grand to start i'd say. Jones and Evans not. Hopefully Falcao makes the bench.

Giggsy11 · 12-11-2014 05:56AM

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

Looks like Falcao, Raf and others won't be starting against Arsenal due to injury.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/11/manchester-united-radamel-falcao-louis-van-gaal?CMP=twt_gu

Falcao and Rafael both posted that they are fit and back to the training. Still have 10 days to recover completely.

Jamie Jackson is just posting nonsense with out a clue.

madcabbage · 12-11-2014 08:43AM

Buddy Holly wrote: »

Hae the permanent deal for falcao been done already?

Surely they have not considering he hasn't gotten a run of games yet. And all the chatter about his knee is worrying too.

jambofc · 12-11-2014 09:17AM

Anderson could finally end his dismal United career with a return to Gremio in January.

Arguably Sir Alex Ferguson's most expensive flop, £27m signing Anderson has no future at Old Trafford and is out of contract in the summer.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anderson-could-leave-united-january-8094145

kryogen · 12-11-2014 09:23AM

jambofc wrote: »

Anderson could finally end his dismal United career with a return to Gremio in January.

Arguably Sir Alex Ferguson's most expensive flop, £27m signing Anderson has no future at Old Trafford and is out of contract in the summer.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anderson-could-leave-united-january-8094145

Why do people always get the price wrong

Whatever happens, he won't be a United player next season anyway, his contract is up isn't it, I'd like to see him go somewhere in January and earn himself a permanent contract there.

Giggsy11 · 12-11-2014 09:29AM

jambofc wrote: »

Anderson could finally end his dismal United career with a return to Gremio in January.

Arguably Sir Alex Ferguson's most expensive flop, £27m signing Anderson has no future at Old Trafford and is out of contract in the summer.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/anderson-could-leave-united-january-8094145

18 Million pounds.

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